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Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2009, 03:01:04 PM »

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Jeff Bower is the one who should have been fired.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2009, 03:14:55 PM »

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It's tough seeing a team that made such strides over the past 2 years go down the toilet so quickly.

The blame, in my opinion, lies 100% on the front office. Trading for Okafor was just awful. It scrambled up their whole offense. They are well over the luxury tax and are overpaying for guys like Peja (14million), Okafor (10 million), Mo Peterson (6 million) and Darius Songaila (4.5million). They signed james posey for 6 million thinking it would put them over the top but it only put them over the luxury tax.

They are just a poorly structured basketball team and like i said, the blame is on the front office. Byron Scott could only do so much, and it seems as if they are using him as a scapegoat. Shame on them.

Terrible front office, they were doomed before then, too.

Last game of 05/06:
Marc Jackson
Des Mason
PJ Brown
Rasual Butler
Chris Paul
Moochie Norris
Brandon Bass
Marcus Fizer
Linton Johnson
David West
Arvydas Macijauskas
JR Smith
Kirk Snyder
Speedy Claxton
Aaron Williams

They had 3 promising youngsters (Paul, West, Smith) and a diamond in the rough type (Bass). They had cap room. And they had a major trade chip with PJ Brown.

They also had a coach (Byron Scott) with a questionable-at-best reputation for developing youth and a well-deserved reputation for playing favorites and weird doghouse rules (i.e. the Smith situation).

Despite Paul being cost-controlled for 3 more years with no leverage, they decide to go all in in a lousy 2006 free agency, way overpaying for Peja. They then used the trade chip in Chandler, whom Chicago was dying to give away. Smith, by the way, was included in the deal for chandler.

OF course they could have been patient. The very next free agency included Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, Mo Williams, and Gerald Wallace. All better options than Peja for similar money. Had they saved PJ and let him expire, they possibly could have gotten two of those players and kept JR smith. So they could have had something like CP, JR, Wallace, Rashard, and had David West as a trade chip, instead of getting rid of a deep scoring threat and saddling themselves with terrible deals killing their flexibility.

Let's not mention the fact that, even after the Peja/Chandler deals, they took draft dud Cedric Simmons and one-year-wonder Hilton Armstrong (maybe we hadn't heard of him for his first three years at UCONN for a reason?) ahead of Thabo Sefalosha and Ronnie Brewer (not that the Hornets lack wing defense or anything, right?) and Josh Boone (only Armstrong's better teammate at UCONN and an infinitely more useful NBA player). Not to mention several others, but those ones were obvious at the time.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2009, 03:19:11 PM »

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It's tough seeing a team that made such strides over the past 2 years go down the toilet so quickly.

The blame, in my opinion, lies 100% on the front office. Trading for Okafor was just awful. It scrambled up their whole offense. They are well over the luxury tax and are overpaying for guys like Peja (14million), Okafor (10 million), Mo Peterson (6 million) and Darius Songaila (4.5million). They signed james posey for 6 million thinking it would put them over the top but it only put them over the luxury tax.

They are just a poorly structured basketball team and like i said, the blame is on the front office. Byron Scott could only do so much, and it seems as if they are using him as a scapegoat. Shame on them.

Terrible front office, they were doomed before then, too.

Last game of 05/06:
Marc Jackson
Des Mason
PJ Brown
Rasual Butler
Chris Paul
Moochie Norris
Brandon Bass
Marcus Fizer
Linton Johnson
David West
Arvydas Macijauskas
JR Smith
Kirk Snyder
Speedy Claxton
Aaron Williams

They had 3 promising youngsters (Paul, West, Smith) and a diamond in the rough type (Bass). They had cap room. And they had a major trade chip with PJ Brown.

They also had a coach (Byron Scott) with a questionable-at-best reputation for developing youth and a well-deserved reputation for playing favorites and weird doghouse rules (i.e. the Smith situation).

Despite Paul being cost-controlled for 3 more years with no leverage, they decide to go all in in a lousy 2006 free agency, way overpaying for Peja. They then used the trade chip in Chandler, whom Chicago was dying to give away. Smith, by the way, was included in the deal for chandler.

OF course they could have been patient. The very next free agency included Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, Mo Williams, and Gerald Wallace. All better options than Peja for similar money. Had they saved PJ and let him expire, they possibly could have gotten two of those players and kept JR smith. So they could have had something like CP, JR, Wallace, Rashard, and had David West as a trade chip, instead of getting rid of a deep scoring threat and saddling themselves with terrible deals killing their flexibility.

Let's not mention the fact that, even after the Peja/Chandler deals, they took draft dud Cedric Simmons and one-year-wonder Hilton Armstrong (maybe we hadn't heard of him for his first three years at UCONN for a reason?) ahead of Thabo Sefalosha and Ronnie Brewer (not that the Hornets lack wing defense or anything, right?) and Josh Boone (only Armstrong's better teammate at UCONN and an infinitely more useful NBA player). Not to mention several others, but those ones were obvious at the time.

Nice breakdown TP. Peja might be the most overpaid player in all of pro-sports right now.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2009, 03:26:55 PM »

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As much as I hate Byron Scott, he is a good coach. I think he proved that New Jersey's success early this decade had a lot to do with him when he found success with the Hornets and Kidd could not take the Nets anywhere.

It really looks like the player moves were more to do with the slow start than Byron Scott's ability to coach.

Nevertheless, this is the right move. I think this move is similar to what Minnesota did to McHale. They held him accountable for his personnel moves. I think the Hornets are putting Bower in the same boat.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2009, 03:35:49 PM »

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I think a lot of people here are letting Chris Paul off the hook.  I gotta say that calling out the Okafor trade is a case of hindsight being 20/20.

Not one person predicted that that trade wouldn't benefit NO.  Remember the heat Jordan took for dealing EO?  After all, NO did try and fail to trade TC for Chris Willcox just a few months prior.  Emeka should have been an upgrade.

My opinion is that Chris Paul needs to produce more wins when he's got two All Star's in the front court in Okafor and David West and sharp shooters on the wings like Peja/Posey/Peterson.  The best PG in the league would be getting more out of his teamates.  

The more I watch Paul, the more his game reminds me of Iverson's.  Big stats produced from dominating the ball, but few wins to show for it.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2009, 03:37:53 PM »

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Not very surprising, though I wonder how it didn't happen after the Hornets laid an egg and lost by 59 points at home in the playoffs and lost 4 playoff games by an average of 31 point per game.

Not sure I can lay all the blame for this year on Scott. The front office gave away a great role player in Rasual Butler, traded away Tyson Chandler for someone who is as flawed a big man as Chandler is, signed an aging James Posey to a ridiculous contract, they traded for the ridiculous contract known as Peja Stojakovic and have drafted horribly post Chris Paul.

Expect players being traded from and to New orleans like crazy very shortly as George Shinn does everything he can to get under the luxury line and shed long term salary.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2009, 03:38:08 PM »

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The Hornets' FO are moving towards another lost season of rearranging deck chairs and treading water rather than contending for the playoffs.

Shinn is still going to mandate a cost-cutting move or two to get under the tax. Easier to justify this type of move after a few more months of mediocre ball, which is what this coaching change will ensure.

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Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2009, 03:40:20 PM »

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Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2009, 04:05:02 PM »

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Jeff Bower is the one who should have been fired.

I'm sure will be soon enough. Sounds like one of those McHale/Isaiah situations where they say "it's your mess, fix it or you're next."

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2009, 04:07:20 PM »

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Not very surprising, though I wonder how it didn't happen after the Hornets laid an egg and lost by 59 points at home in the playoffs and lost 4 playoff games by an average of 31 point per game.

Not sure I can lay all the blame for this year on Scott. The front office gave away a great role player in Rasual Butler, traded away Tyson Chandler for someone who is as flawed a big man as Chandler is, signed an aging James Posey to a ridiculous contract, they traded for the ridiculous contract known as Peja Stojakovic and have drafted horribly post Chris Paul.

Expect players being traded from and to New orleans like crazy very shortly as George Shinn does everything he can to get under the luxury line and shed long term salary.
You're selling them short. They signed Peja to that deal. It only was a "sign and trade" because Indy sweet talked them into to get a trade exception. (I don't even think they used it.....)

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2009, 04:42:56 PM »

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My guess is that he will end up back in Oklahoma City (He still owns a house there).

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2009, 04:45:03 PM »

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I'm happy.  I hate Byron Scott.  He's a punk who talked tons of crap about the city of Boston and the Celtics. 

You beat me to it.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2009, 04:55:09 PM »

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Not very surprising, though I wonder how it didn't happen after the Hornets laid an egg and lost by 59 points at home in the playoffs and lost 4 playoff games by an average of 31 point per game.

Not sure I can lay all the blame for this year on Scott. The front office gave away a great role player in Rasual Butler, traded away Tyson Chandler for someone who is as flawed a big man as Chandler is, signed an aging James Posey to a ridiculous contract, they traded for the ridiculous contract known as Peja Stojakovic and have drafted horribly post Chris Paul.

Expect players being traded from and to New orleans like crazy very shortly as George Shinn does everything he can to get under the luxury line and shed long term salary.
You're selling them short. They signed Peja to that deal. It only was a "sign and trade" because Indy sweet talked them into to get a trade exception. (I don't even think they used it.....)
Even worse. Donald Sterling has very little on George Shinn and both ownership groups and front offices have been abysmally horrible for decades.

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2009, 05:36:28 PM »

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It's about time! Byron Scott is a horrible coach!

Re: Byron Scott fired
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2009, 06:05:26 PM »

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It's about time! Byron Scott is a horrible coach!

?????
He took a fledgling franchise to the  Finals.  He completely turned another fledgling franchise around...Hmm...

Like I said, he won't be looking for work long.