Thabeet and Carroll for Perkins and Giddens

[dark_lord]

if memphis calls with this offer....danny will hang up the phone laughing his butt off.  if danny actually pulled the trigger on the offer, danny would be immediately unemployed

I wouldn't trade DA and Doc (right now as players) for that deal.

lol...tp

[greenhead85]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

[Chris]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

Height means nothing if you don't have the fundamentals and lower body strength to play NBA quality interior defense...and Thabeet simply cannot do that right now.

[dark_lord]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

omg!  perk proved his worth by helping us win a title.  he is our physical presence.  he is a great defender.  his offense is steadily improving each year.  he is young.

thabeet has done nothing!!!!!  we arent rebuilding here....we threw our cards ALL IN....title or bust.  thabeet is vastly overrated and raw, we dont want to develop, we want wins/titles.

thank god your not our gm!

[xmuscularghandix]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

which game was he outstanding?

Becuase last year in the playoffs he avg'd:
12pts 12reb 2.6blk

Not to mention that he played D12 straight up and only allowed him to score over 20 points once.

[wdleehi]

It's just crazy to me that I'm hearing that:

1) Perk isn't a difference maker on defense;

2) He doesn't block enough shots;

3) He doesn't have an intimidating presence; and

4) He can't hold his own against the Lakers.

I'd expect that from a Lakers fan, or somebody who only follows the game occasionally.  I would not, however, expect that from a dedicated Celtics fan.  It just surprises me that fans can watch the same games and come to such polar opposite conclusions.

I am no Lakers fan. I am a Lakers (players and the entire organization) hater way back in the 80s. Actually a Lakers-hater for life. I've watched the games of the Celts since the time of Bird to present.

Simply put, I am matured basketball fan. Smarter if you may. Gone are the days where you really die for every Celtics players whom you adore to the hilt and to a fault.

I pose this question, which among our players will create a mismatch against them? Rondo will be faster against Fisher but the latter will knock down important shots. Perk will have a problem neutralizing a powerful and now a more skillful and taller Bynum. KG and Pau will cancel each other out like Odom and PP will cancel each other out. Kobe will outclass Ray big time - that is the reason why we need Sheed or even KG guarding him in crunch time. Not to mention they have Artest to stop PP. They have two bigs who can score better than ours and defend equally as our bigs.

When has Perk had an issue with Bynum?  


We can find plenty of issues Bynum had against Perk.  

[wdleehi]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

Based on what?  How he has performed in the playoffs?  (you know, the good defense on players like Howard, Gasol and Big Z)

[Roy Hobbs]

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

Perk averaged 11.9 points, 11.6 rebounds, 57.5% shooting, and 2.64 blocks per game in the playoffs.  Those are outstanding numbers.

He had a game with 16 points, 19 rebounds, and 7 blocks.  Another with 12 points, 13 rebounds, and 5 blocks.  You expect Thabeet to put up comparable numbers?  That's extraordinarily unlikely to me.

[dark_lord]

[xmuscularghandix]

i quit

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[Big_Matt34]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

Gasol's averages in games 1/2/3/4/6 of the finals 14/10/2.8 apg/0.2 bpg on 52% shooting. The one game Perk missed Gasol put up 19/13/6 assists/2 blocks on 60% shooting.

Lamar Odom shot 46% in the games Perk played, the one game Perk missed, he shot 80%.

Andrew Bynum has never scored more than 9 points against Perkins.

Last year in the playoffs Perk had games on 16/12/2 blocks, 16/19/7 blocks, 13/13/4 blocks 14/13/1 block, 12/13/5 blocks, 15/10/3 blocks and a few other good games.

YEah, lets trade him for a guy who cant help the team for years  .

[xmuscularghandix]

YEah, lets trade him for a guy who cant help the team for years  .

If at all.

[nickagneta]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

Perk held Dwight Howard to 16 PPG 17RPG 2.7 BPG and 56% shooting while playing him one on one in a seven game series last year while averaging 11 PPG, 12 RPG 2.5 BPG while shooting 53%.

Against Cleveland and Philly, teams that double teamed Howard all the time, Howard went for 24 PPG, 15 RPG, 2.8 BPG, and 64% FG%.

The Lakers, again, another team that double teamed Howard all the time only with a combo of Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom/Andrew Bynum, could only hold a double and triple teamed Howard to 16 PPG, 15 RPG, 2.2 BPG and 55% shooting. Basically the same exact numbers Perk held Howard to all by himself.

Also, Big Bad Andrew Bynum averaged all of 6 PPG, 4 RPG, 0.6 BPG while shooting 36% against the same Dwight Howard that Perk averaged a double double versus.

Sorry dude, you have no idea what you are talking about given the center position and Perk vs Bynum. Bynum couldn't guard Howard by himself. Heck with the help of an All-Star center in Pau Gasol and a near All-Star PF in Lamar Odom, he could only hold Howard to similar numbers than Perk held Howard to ALL BY HIMSELF!!!

And Perk had double the amount of points, 3 times the amount of rebounds and 4 times the amount of blocks while shooting 20 percentage points better against the same man.

These numbers completely and utterly debunk anything you have to say on the matter.

[dark_lord]

[Tai]

It's just crazy to me that I'm hearing that:

1) Perk isn't a difference maker on defense;

2) He doesn't block enough shots;

3) He doesn't have an intimidating presence; and

4) He can't hold his own against the Lakers.

I'd expect that from a Lakers fan, or somebody who only follows the game occasionally.  I would not, however, expect that from a dedicated Celtics fan.  It just surprises me that fans can watch the same games and come to such polar opposite conclusions.

I am no Lakers fan. I am a Lakers (players and the entire organization) hater way back in the 80s. Actually a Lakers-hater for life. I've watched the games of the Celts since the time of Bird to present.

Simply put, I am matured basketball fan. Smarter if you may. Gone are the days where you really die for every Celtics players whom you adore to the hilt and to a fault.

I pose this question, which among our players will create a mismatch against them? Rondo will be faster against Fisher but the latter will knock down important shots. Perk will have a problem neutralizing a powerful and now a more skillful and taller Bynum. KG and Pau will cancel each other out like Odom and PP will cancel each other out. Kobe will outclass Ray big time - that is the reason why we need Sheed or even KG guarding him in crunch time. Not to mention they have Artest to stop PP. They have two bigs who can score better than ours and defend equally as our bigs.

I'm gonna ask you again: WHY do you hate Perkins? Despite all the success that Perkins has had at limiting Bynum, you somehow don't at least trust Perkins to contain Bynum again, even if Bynum were to go off ONE time.

So, why do you hate Perkins?