Thabeet and Carroll for Perkins and Giddens

[KCattheStripe]

I heard Thabeet really broke his jaw because it hit the floor so fast whe he heard this trade proposal.

[jimmehx]

Poor guy... topical that happened while this thread was alive!
Lucky we didn't make this trade when it was suggested 

[Bahku]

Thabeet has not come close to producing what Perk has, and there's no way I would want this to happen. We have a young center who has been putting up some of the best and most consistent numbers of the last couple of years ... why would anyone want to mess with that? Especially for a guy who has yet to prove he's NBA material. No thanks ... I'll keep Perk.

[Birdbrain]

I'm hoping they trade for every player that ever came through Connecticut. Perkins had a better offensive game his first year out of high school.

[Greenbean]

More importantly so to all of us rooting for our beloved Celtics, I wish I am wrong and you are all right.

My point stays that Perk will be a problem at center come playoff time. I only saw one game last playoff where he was outstanding and that was it. Thabeet is not going to meet all the needs you all have mentioned that Perk can offer each game but a strong end-game tall defender like Thabeet can offer a mismatch in that part of an all-important series or plainly a game.

Perk raised his  level of play in the playoffs. I really don't want to bump this thread any more, but as a felow Celtics fan, I think it is important that you appreciate our big fella. He pretty mugh neutralized Dwight Howard in last year's playoffs. He would do the same against Bynum and has in the past who is years behind Howard, but with similar skill sets (minus inhuman leaping ability). Perk is huge with good instincts, better strength than 95% of centers, and moves very well laterally.

We are one of the only teams that match up well with LA's big frontcourt. Sheed, KG, and Perk. If you asked any coach around the league, I bet no one would put the celtics lower than 3rd in frontcourt defense.

Without spending much more time on this here, I am pleading with you to re evaluate Perk's game and start to appreciate him like the rest of us have. After KG and Sheed retire? We may need a different dynamic at the center position, but for right now, he is juuust right.

[KungPoweChicken]

Thabeet is just the annual Big Man Bust; why would we want to trade Perk for him? Honestly, Thabeet's ceiling is that of Shawn Bradley, if he's lucky.

[Fafnir]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

[Chris]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

I think he did for much of the series.  I guess it depends on your definition, but by being able to keep him from dominating the game while single-covering him is neutralizing him IMO.  The big advantage of having a guy like Howard down low on that team, as demonstrated in the Cleveland series is that most teams need to throw double and triple teams at him to prevent him from dominating on the post, which in turn leaves wide open shooters on the perimeter.  The C's didn't really have that problem, because they had Perkins (and Davis) covering him 1 on 1, and keeping him relatively in check.

[star18]

Like I said, unless I get a box of Mr.T/Lebron breakfast cereal the answer is no.   

[Rondo2287]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

I would say perk changed Dwight's nickname from Superman to Dwight "Hook Shot" Howard

[BballTim]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

 Dwight scored 12 points 3 times in 7 games and never broke 23 points. That's pretty good. What Perk did, more to the point, was neutralize Orlando's offense by covering DH so well 1v1. Orlando counts on teams doubling DH and didn't get that against us.

[Donoghus]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

I think he did for much of the series.  I guess it depends on your definition, but by being able to keep him from dominating the game while single-covering him is neutralizing him IMO.  The big advantage of having a guy like Howard down low on that team, as demonstrated in the Cleveland series is that most teams need to throw double and triple teams at him to prevent him from dominating on the post, which in turn leaves wide open shooters on the perimeter.  The C's didn't really have that problem, because they had Perkins (and Davis) covering him 1 on 1, and keeping him relatively in check.

I was extremely happy with the way that Perk covered Howard in that playoff series.  Forced him away from the rim and having to settle for low percentage (at least for DH) jumpers and jumphooks. 

Howard is a physical presence and Perk was just as physical against him that series.  I don't think Howard expected that.

[Fafnir]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

 Dwight scored 12 points 3 times in 7 games and never broke 23 points. That's pretty good. What Perk did, more to the point, was neutralize Orlando's offense by covering DH so well 1v1. Orlando counts on teams doubling DH and didn't get that against us.

Dwight Howard still scored a respectable average, shot a high percentage, and was dominant on the defensive end.

Perk took away his post game, but that's the least of what he brings to the table. He wasn't neutralized by any means.

[BballTim]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

 Dwight scored 12 points 3 times in 7 games and never broke 23 points. That's pretty good. What Perk did, more to the point, was neutralize Orlando's offense by covering DH so well 1v1. Orlando counts on teams doubling DH and didn't get that against us.

Dwight Howard still scored a respectable average, shot a high percentage, and was dominant on the defensive end.

Perk took away his post game, but that's the least of what he brings to the table. He wasn't neutralized by any means.

  He probably scored about 5 ppg below his average, only a few points a game more than Perk even though DH averaged a dozen more a game in the regular season. But, again, Dwight's post game is important to Orlando's offense, which is largely based on finding the open man when teams double team Howard. Playing DH with no help was the key. Holding him to well below his average was gravy.

[Chris]

Perkins played well against Dwight Howard, but he in no way "neutralized" him.

 Dwight scored 12 points 3 times in 7 games and never broke 23 points. That's pretty good. What Perk did, more to the point, was neutralize Orlando's offense by covering DH so well 1v1. Orlando counts on teams doubling DH and didn't get that against us.

Dwight Howard still scored a respectable average, shot a high percentage, and was dominant on the defensive end.

Perk took away his post game, but that's the least of what he brings to the table. He wasn't neutralized by any means.

Well, it's all relative.  When you look at the way Howard completely tore apart the Cavs, both with his own post game, and with the way he picked apart the defense, who were sending double teams, then you have to admit, Perk absolutely neutralized him. 

There is a difference between neutralizing a player, and completely shutting him down.  Perk did not shut him down, but he did neutralize him IMO.