Baby, Scal and Giddens for Gadzuric and The Fresh Prince

[P2]

Scal, Tony and Giddens for Nocioni makes more sense to me.

[Chris]

I really much rather the Celtics hold on to the trade bait till it becomes clear where their needs are. 


Right now, I think a PG the Celtics could start and feel comfortable with is the biggest need.  House and Daniels are fine off the bench, but I know we do not want to see either start for a long period of time at PG. 


I am not as worried about the depth behind Pierce.  They have already added Daniels. 

fair enough. got anyone on mind?

Well, shouldn't we wait to see what needs they have?

Personally, I have no interest in trading for anyone this early in the season.  I LOVE the way this rotation looks.  As long as everyone is healthy, they are perfect.  My only concern would be if one of the wings get hurt, we don't even really have someone who can step in for short periods of time, until Tony comes back (or if Walker makes progress).  But even with that, there are free agents who they could pick up if they needed to in a pinch.

The worst thing they could do now IMO is trade away all their assets for a mediocre role player or two.  Later in the season, they may be able to use them on an impact player, or there may be a glaring need they need to fill because of injuries (look at what the Magic did last year with Alston).

Right now this team looks like possibly the best team EVER.  Lets not mess with it.

Yep. 

Unless some team offers a no brainer, wait it out. 

Well that's no fun......

Yup, cheering for a great team, can sometimes make for less fun on messageboards.  Why do you think everyone is talking about next summer already?

[Brickowski]

Why should the Celtics make any trades at this point?  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Why should the Celtics make any trades at this point?  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I'm not quote ready to appoint them perfect quite yet. besides, baby is broke (hand), scal is broke (various ailments), tony is broke (injury of the season) and giddens is broke (terrible). i hear the arguement that waiting makes some sense, but i for one would pull the trigger on this deal every day of the week and twice on sunday.

it's not like they're going to do what i suggest anyway. well you never know....

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Scal, Tony and Giddens for Nocioni makes more sense to me.

Rather have Nocioni than Mbah a Moute? That's bold. What does Noce bring to the table that we don't already have besides his extra slowness and his overpaid-for-too-many yearsness? I was tempted by him last year but now he looks unneccessary and wasteful on the cap.

[Chris]

Scal, Tony and Giddens for Nocioni makes more sense to me.

Rather have Nocioni than Mbah a Moute? That's bold. What does Noce bring to the table that we don't already have besides his extra slowness and his overpaid-for-too-many yearsness? I was tempted by him last year but now he looks unneccessary and wasteful on the cap.

Well, Nocioni is a significantly better player than Mbah ah Moute.  He has a worse contract, but his contract is a MUCH better value than Gadzuric's.

Again, the Prince is a decent prospect, who MAY be able to help out now (I am not convinced his offensive game is developed enough to see the floor on this team), but he is nowhere near good enough to make it worthwhile to take on Gadzuric's horrendous contract.

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Scal, Tony and Giddens for Nocioni makes more sense to me.

Rather have Nocioni than Mbah a Moute? That's bold. What does Noce bring to the table that we don't already have besides his extra slowness and his overpaid-for-too-many yearsness? I was tempted by him last year but now he looks unneccessary and wasteful on the cap.

Well, Nocioni is a significantly better player than Mbah ah Moute.  He has a worse contract, but his contract is a MUCH better value than Gadzuric's.

Again, the Prince is a decent prospect, who MAY be able to help out now (I am not convinced his offensive game is developed enough to see the floor on this team), but he is nowhere near good enough to make it worthwhile to take on Gadzuric's horrendous contract.

There's no point in comparing Noce's contract to Gadzuric's when what I'm talking about is Gadzuric and Luc Richard not one or the other. I'd much rather have the two over Nocioni

There's limited minutes to begin with and Gadzuric's contract is an asset next year -- remember we're now going be left with only the MLE next summer and will likely want to use some or all of it on Daniels. It's the equivalent of not having scal & TA's contacts this year. Wouldn't you rather have them on the team as trade assets than save the ownership money? Until they give me a piece of the team, I sure would.

If we need to use Gadzuric's contract as a trade piece, great. If we don't, that's fine too. It looks like we may actually have cap space in 2011, and I don't want an old Nocioni clogging that up.

Meanwhile, the point is to get Mbah a Moute -- he's twice the defender Noce is. I couldn't care less if he can shoot. He can get a few garbage points, and a line-up of 9, LRMAM, 34, 5 and 43 could NOT be scored upon.

It sounds like you're not fond of his game, so i understand that you'd rather not trade for him.

[ToppersBsktball10]

We're 5-0. I like this team how it is. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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We're 5-0. I like this team how it is. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

c'mon live a little... none of the guys i'm offering has even played!

[Chris]

There's no point in comparing Noce's contract to Gadzuric's when what I'm talking about is Gadzuric and Luc Richard not one or the other. I'd much rather have the two over Nocioni

My point is that Nocioni is significantly better than both Mbah ah Moute and Gadzuric combined.  So Gadzuric's contract is absolutely relevant.

If you are trading for Mbah ah Moute, and not having to take on a contract like Gadzuric's, then you might have an argument, but the contract makes it a no deal.

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There's no point in comparing Noce's contract to Gadzuric's when what I'm talking about is Gadzuric and Luc Richard not one or the other. I'd much rather have the two over Nocioni

My point is that Nocioni is significantly better than both Mbah ah Moute and Gadzuric combined.  So Gadzuric's contract is absolutely relevant.

If you are trading for Mbah ah Moute, and not having to take on a contract like Gadzuric's, then you might have an argument, but the contract makes it a no deal.

I have an argument. The argument is Mbah a Moute would be more valuable to the Celtics than Nocioni, regardless of what they're paid. That argument is augmented by the fact that Nocioni is well overpaid on a contact that is obselete in today's NBA and will adversely effect the Celtics in 2011.

What surprises me is how many here think that Nocioni is actually good. What skill is it that Nocioni will bring the Celtics that they don't already have? He's a ball hog who shoots too much, he can't pass, he's an overrated defender who fouls far too much, he no longer has an NBA position since he can't keep up with SFs any more, he's well past his prime, and his team is on the hook for him for 3 more years.

I think it's clear that you don't think LRMAM is a valuable player. If that is your belief, then this deal doesn't make sense for you and i think you've made that clear. But there's little doubt that Andres Nocioni is a pass, period. What use would he be on our current second unit?
 

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I really much rather the Celtics hold on to the trade bait till it becomes clear where their needs are. 


Right now, I think a PG the Celtics could start and feel comfortable with is the biggest need.  House and Daniels are fine off the bench, but I know we do not want to see either start for a long period of time at PG. 


I am not as worried about the depth behind Pierce.  They have already added Daniels. 

fair enough. got anyone on mind?

Well, shouldn't we wait to see what needs they have?

Personally, I have no interest in trading for anyone this early in the season.  I LOVE the way this rotation looks.  As long as everyone is healthy, they are perfect.  My only concern would be if one of the wings get hurt, we don't even really have someone who can step in for short periods of time, until Tony comes back (or if Walker makes progress).  But even with that, there are free agents who they could pick up if they needed to in a pinch.

The worst thing they could do now IMO is trade away all their assets for a mediocre role player or two.  Later in the season, they may be able to use them on an impact player, or there may be a glaring need they need to fill because of injuries (look at what the Magic did last year with Alston).

Right now this team looks like possibly the best team EVER.  Lets not mess with it.

Yep. 

Unless some team offers a no brainer, wait it out. 

Well that's no fun......

Yup, cheering for a great team, can sometimes make for less fun on messageboards.  Why do you think everyone is talking about next summer already?

I know. How am I supposed to waste time all winter coming up with far-fetched trade ideas when there's all this winning going on?

[Bankshot]

We're 5-0. I like this team how it is. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

c'mon live a little... none of the guys i'm offering has even played!

Yeah, but you're offering up Big Baby and while he hasn't played yet, we already know what he can do and what he brings to the table, which is a pretty good game.  I'd rather not gamble on hoping someone can fit in when we already have a player who does.

There's absolutely no reason to make trades at this point.  We may find out that we don't NEED to do anything.

[Chris]

What use would he be on our current second unit?
 

I think that is absolutely true.  Right now, the C's simply do not need Nocioni, and therefore should not take on the contract.  But the same thing is true with Mbah ah Moute.  Why take on the contract of Gadzuric now (and give up a player who will be in the rotation when he is healthy in Davis, as well as a very useful safety net in Scal), when Mbah ah Moute would be a 10th man at best?  Unless you think he is going to be taking the minutes of Daniels?

[TerreHaute]

Here's a different angle, considering we're choosing between the prince and Nocioni. Which player will be a better player for this team in 3 years? I don't think DA wants or needs to tinker much with what we currently have. That said, he may want to start looking down the road sooner rather than later. Which player will be a more valuable fit for our team when the older guys can no longer produce at their current rate?