Baby, Scal and Giddens for Gadzuric and The Fresh Prince

[Jon]

I think the C's should only entertain a deal like this one if they really don't think they have enough to win it all this year.  Gadzuric does little more than provide insurance here, as come playoff time KG, Wallace, and Perk will play all (or nearly all) the minutes at the 4/5.  Whether Mbah ah Moute is good or not is somewhat beside the point.  The larger question is whether he's good enough to crack what will be our playoff rotation.  I'm not so sure.  Come playoff time the starters will all be playing 35 mpg or more.  That leaves a total of 65 minutes for the bench.  There's no reason why House, Daniels, and Sheed can't cover those minutes alone.  So the larger question becomes, can Moute beat any of those guys out?  

Because if he can't, all he becomes (with Gadzuric) is a very expensive insurance option that could potentially restrict the team's ability to use the MLE next year.  

[wdleehi]

Plus, this is using the trade assets on something other then the depth needs.



Celtics need a third compitant player at either the 1, 2 or 3.  Not the 4 and 5. 

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Gadzuric?  um, no.

yeah he's no Tony Allen.

Look forget Dan Gadziric, you're not gonna pay him, Wyc is -- it's about Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

And the Celtics paying him could cost us fans watching them sign someone for the MLE.   


If he is taking up a big portion of the budget, it cuts into what Ainge can add.

Maybe, maybe not. If you assume Rondo’s $11mil contract for next season, then assume the Cs sign Eddie for $3mil, Ray for $10mil and Sheldon for $2mil, PLUS the addition of Gadzuric and Mbah a Moute, their payroll goes down from this year. I’ve assumed Daniels as a FA here because I believe the Cs do not have his Bird Rights considering he signed for the LLE. So if they want to keep him, they will need to use the MLE. This would obviously take them above this year's payroll, but it's worth mentioning considering if they want to keep him it will restrict their ability to sign others.

Having Gadzuric’s contract could actually allow them to pick up a player of value where they couldn’t next year because they’d only have the MLE. It simply a question of ownerships tolerance for salary, as you point out. But they’ve shown a willingness to spend to win, thus far.

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I think the C's should only entertain a deal like this one if they really don't think they have enough to win it all this year.  Gadzuric does little more than provide insurance here, as come playoff time KG, Wallace, and Perk will play all (or nearly all) the minutes at the 4/5.  Whether Mbah ah Moute is good or not is somewhat beside the point.  The larger question is whether he's good enough to crack what will be our playoff rotation.  I'm not so sure.  Come playoff time the starters will all be playing 35 mpg or more.  That leaves a total of 65 minutes for the bench.  There's no reason why House, Daniels, and Sheed can't cover those minutes alone.  So the larger question becomes, can Moute beat any of those guys out?  

Because if he can't, all he becomes (with Gadzuric) is a very expensive insurance option that could potentially restrict the team's ability to use the MLE next year.  

fair point. you have to believe that LRMAM will make an impact defending 3s. I think he will. House, Daniels, LRMAM, and Sheed makes for a pretty incrdible bench. I think Baby will lose minutes to Sheed, and when needed Williams can do the job. I don't really see who Luc Richard competes with, he and Daniels can compliment each other, and there's plenty of long range shooting with Sheed, Eddie, Ray and Paul.

[blackbird]

The Bucks would never do this deal. My brother-in-law is a Bucks fan and in fact worked for Senator Kohl once upon a time. According to him, LRMAM is an important part of their future, basically one of two guys (Bogut) they've had recently who they can build a franchise with. Now add Jennings to that, I guess.

Anyway, if the Bucks want to draw fans and their money, they have to have a winning team, and they won't get that by trading their young, cheap guys for the likes of Giddens and Scalabrine. I also don't believe that Kohl would sell the team, and certainly not move it (he originally bought the team in order to keep it in Milwaukee). Anyway, I don't think that dumping Gadzuric is so important to him as to give up LRMAM.

Also, I don't think it dramatically improves the Celtics, though I also really like LRMAM. I'm pretty happy with our team as presently constructed. A few years hence I may wish that we had done this deal.

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Plus, this is using the trade assets on something other then the depth needs.



Celtics need a third compitant player at either the 1, 2 or 3.  Not the 4 and 5. 

right. that's why i thought up the trade. i want Mbah a Moute to fill in those minutes at the 3 and let Daniels be more of a 2.

[Jon]

I think the C's should only entertain a deal like this one if they really don't think they have enough to win it all this year.  Gadzuric does little more than provide insurance here, as come playoff time KG, Wallace, and Perk will play all (or nearly all) the minutes at the 4/5.  Whether Mbah ah Moute is good or not is somewhat beside the point.  The larger question is whether he's good enough to crack what will be our playoff rotation.  I'm not so sure.  Come playoff time the starters will all be playing 35 mpg or more.  That leaves a total of 65 minutes for the bench.  There's no reason why House, Daniels, and Sheed can't cover those minutes alone.  So the larger question becomes, can Moute beat any of those guys out?  

Because if he can't, all he becomes (with Gadzuric) is a very expensive insurance option that could potentially restrict the team's ability to use the MLE next year.  

fair point. you have to believe that LRMAM will make an impact defending 3s. I think he will. House, Daniels, LRMAM, and Sheed makes for a pretty incrdible bench. I think Baby will lose minutes to Sheed, and when needed Williams can do the job. I don't really see who Luc Richard competes with, he and Daniels can compliment each other, and there's plenty of long range shooting with Sheed, Eddie, Ray and Paul.

I just don't see room in a playoff rotation for Daniels and LRMAM.  Pierce and Allen are going to play at least 36 mpg, really leaving only enough minutes for one backup wing.  Might there be some circumstances when LRMAM could be useful?  Maybe.  But it seems an awfully high price to pay for what looks to only be a marginal upgrade for the team. 

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I think the C's should only entertain a deal like this one if they really don't think they have enough to win it all this year.  Gadzuric does little more than provide insurance here, as come playoff time KG, Wallace, and Perk will play all (or nearly all) the minutes at the 4/5.  Whether Mbah ah Moute is good or not is somewhat beside the point.  The larger question is whether he's good enough to crack what will be our playoff rotation.  I'm not so sure.  Come playoff time the starters will all be playing 35 mpg or more.  That leaves a total of 65 minutes for the bench.  There's no reason why House, Daniels, and Sheed can't cover those minutes alone.  So the larger question becomes, can Moute beat any of those guys out?  

Because if he can't, all he becomes (with Gadzuric) is a very expensive insurance option that could potentially restrict the team's ability to use the MLE next year.  

fair point. you have to believe that LRMAM will make an impact defending 3s. I think he will. House, Daniels, LRMAM, and Sheed makes for a pretty incrdible bench. I think Baby will lose minutes to Sheed, and when needed Williams can do the job. I don't really see who Luc Richard competes with, he and Daniels can compliment each other, and there's plenty of long range shooting with Sheed, Eddie, Ray and Paul.

I just don't see room in a playoff rotation for Daniels and LRMAM.  Pierce and Allen are going to play at least 36 mpg, really leaving only enough minutes for one backup wing.  Might there be some circumstances when LRMAM could be useful?  Maybe.  But it seems an awfully high price to pay for what looks to only be a marginal upgrade for the team. 

I don't think it will be marginal when Doc wants to give PP a break from LeBron while he's ON the court to keep his stamina. And i don't think it will be marginal when we don't have anyone who can guard Rashard Lewis on the perimeter and KG is spending all his energy chasing him around. It's about creating favorable match-ups. LRMAM supplies the Cs something that they lack right now --- a long, shut down perimeter defender.

[Jon]

I think the C's should only entertain a deal like this one if they really don't think they have enough to win it all this year.  Gadzuric does little more than provide insurance here, as come playoff time KG, Wallace, and Perk will play all (or nearly all) the minutes at the 4/5.  Whether Mbah ah Moute is good or not is somewhat beside the point.  The larger question is whether he's good enough to crack what will be our playoff rotation.  I'm not so sure.  Come playoff time the starters will all be playing 35 mpg or more.  That leaves a total of 65 minutes for the bench.  There's no reason why House, Daniels, and Sheed can't cover those minutes alone.  So the larger question becomes, can Moute beat any of those guys out?  

Because if he can't, all he becomes (with Gadzuric) is a very expensive insurance option that could potentially restrict the team's ability to use the MLE next year.  

fair point. you have to believe that LRMAM will make an impact defending 3s. I think he will. House, Daniels, LRMAM, and Sheed makes for a pretty incrdible bench. I think Baby will lose minutes to Sheed, and when needed Williams can do the job. I don't really see who Luc Richard competes with, he and Daniels can compliment each other, and there's plenty of long range shooting with Sheed, Eddie, Ray and Paul.

I just don't see room in a playoff rotation for Daniels and LRMAM.  Pierce and Allen are going to play at least 36 mpg, really leaving only enough minutes for one backup wing.  Might there be some circumstances when LRMAM could be useful?  Maybe.  But it seems an awfully high price to pay for what looks to only be a marginal upgrade for the team. 

I don't think it will be marginal when Doc wants to give PP a break from LeBron while he's ON the court to keep his stamina. And i don't think it will be marginal when we don't have anyone who can guard Rashard Lewis on the perimeter and KG is spending all his energy chasing him around. It's about creating favorable match-ups. LRMAM supplies the Cs something that they lack right now --- a long, shut down perimeter defender.

I don't know.  I don't love this matchup talk.  Why exactly are we going out of our way to matchup with other teams?  Why aren't we making teams matchup with us? 

Case in point, the first game of the season.  We go big down the stretch with Perk and KG to match the size of Shaq and Big Z and Cleveland closes in.  Then we bring Sheed in, which in terms of matching up with them doesn't make a lot of sense.  However, it creates a matchup nightmare for them, as now Shaq and Big Z have to struggle to guard KG and Sheed on the perimeter, opening up the floor for Pierce to finish off Cleveland. 

That's why I don't love that trade.  Might LRMAM perform a little better defensively than Daniels in guarding someone like LeBron?  Maybe.  But LeBron's gonna get his points anyway.  But what would the C's be giving up?  They'd be giving up Daniels's handle on the floor, which would in turn lessen the effectiveness of Eddie House.  So in my mind, things really even out. 

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I think the C's should only entertain a deal like this one if they really don't think they have enough to win it all this year.  Gadzuric does little more than provide insurance here, as come playoff time KG, Wallace, and Perk will play all (or nearly all) the minutes at the 4/5.  Whether Mbah ah Moute is good or not is somewhat beside the point.  The larger question is whether he's good enough to crack what will be our playoff rotation.  I'm not so sure.  Come playoff time the starters will all be playing 35 mpg or more.  That leaves a total of 65 minutes for the bench.  There's no reason why House, Daniels, and Sheed can't cover those minutes alone.  So the larger question becomes, can Moute beat any of those guys out?  

Because if he can't, all he becomes (with Gadzuric) is a very expensive insurance option that could potentially restrict the team's ability to use the MLE next year.  

fair point. you have to believe that LRMAM will make an impact defending 3s. I think he will. House, Daniels, LRMAM, and Sheed makes for a pretty incrdible bench. I think Baby will lose minutes to Sheed, and when needed Williams can do the job. I don't really see who Luc Richard competes with, he and Daniels can compliment each other, and there's plenty of long range shooting with Sheed, Eddie, Ray and Paul.

I just don't see room in a playoff rotation for Daniels and LRMAM.  Pierce and Allen are going to play at least 36 mpg, really leaving only enough minutes for one backup wing.  Might there be some circumstances when LRMAM could be useful?  Maybe.  But it seems an awfully high price to pay for what looks to only be a marginal upgrade for the team. 

I don't think it will be marginal when Doc wants to give PP a break from LeBron while he's ON the court to keep his stamina. And i don't think it will be marginal when we don't have anyone who can guard Rashard Lewis on the perimeter and KG is spending all his energy chasing him around. It's about creating favorable match-ups. LRMAM supplies the Cs something that they lack right now --- a long, shut down perimeter defender.

I don't know.  I don't love this matchup talk.  Why exactly are we going out of our way to matchup with other teams?  Why aren't we making teams matchup with us? 

Case in point, the first game of the season.  We go big down the stretch with Perk and KG to match the size of Shaq and Big Z and Cleveland closes in.  Then we bring Sheed in, which in terms of matching up with them doesn't make a lot of sense.  However, it creates a matchup nightmare for them, as now Shaq and Big Z have to struggle to guard KG and Sheed on the perimeter, opening up the floor for Pierce to finish off Cleveland. 

That's why I don't love that trade.  Might LRMAM perform a little better defensively than Daniels in guarding someone like LeBron?  Maybe.  But LeBron's gonna get his points anyway.  But what would the C's be giving up?  They'd be giving up Daniels's handle on the floor, which would in turn lessen the effectiveness of Eddie House.  So in my mind, things really even out. 

Well, I don't want to hand him minutes over Daniels or anyone else. But I stand by my statement that he's one of the best defenders in the NBA at a position where we could use the depth. Worst case scenario he provides that depth. Best case scenario he creates nightmares for VC or Lebron or whoever.

After watching Sheldon Williams again tonight, you have to wonder how he'd of performed in Davis' minutes over the past two years. His rebounding blows Baby's away. I would far prefer having Gadzuric, WIlliams and Mbah a Moute than Davis, Williams and Scal.

[wdleehi]

I really much rather the Celtics hold on to the trade bait till it becomes clear where their needs are. 


Right now, I think a PG the Celtics could start and feel comfortable with is the biggest need.  House and Daniels are fine off the bench, but I know we do not want to see either start for a long period of time at PG. 


I am not as worried about the depth behind Pierce.  They have already added Daniels. 

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I really much rather the Celtics hold on to the trade bait till it becomes clear where their needs are. 


Right now, I think a PG the Celtics could start and feel comfortable with is the biggest need.  House and Daniels are fine off the bench, but I know we do not want to see either start for a long period of time at PG. 


I am not as worried about the depth behind Pierce.  They have already added Daniels. 

fair enough. got anyone on mind?

[Chris]

I really much rather the Celtics hold on to the trade bait till it becomes clear where their needs are. 


Right now, I think a PG the Celtics could start and feel comfortable with is the biggest need.  House and Daniels are fine off the bench, but I know we do not want to see either start for a long period of time at PG. 


I am not as worried about the depth behind Pierce.  They have already added Daniels. 

fair enough. got anyone on mind?

Well, shouldn't we wait to see what needs they have?

Personally, I have no interest in trading for anyone this early in the season.  I LOVE the way this rotation looks.  As long as everyone is healthy, they are perfect.  My only concern would be if one of the wings get hurt, we don't even really have someone who can step in for short periods of time, until Tony comes back (or if Walker makes progress).  But even with that, there are free agents who they could pick up if they needed to in a pinch.

The worst thing they could do now IMO is trade away all their assets for a mediocre role player or two.  Later in the season, they may be able to use them on an impact player, or there may be a glaring need they need to fill because of injuries (look at what the Magic did last year with Alston).

Right now this team looks like possibly the best team EVER.  Lets not mess with it.

[wdleehi]

I really much rather the Celtics hold on to the trade bait till it becomes clear where their needs are. 


Right now, I think a PG the Celtics could start and feel comfortable with is the biggest need.  House and Daniels are fine off the bench, but I know we do not want to see either start for a long period of time at PG. 


I am not as worried about the depth behind Pierce.  They have already added Daniels. 

fair enough. got anyone on mind?

Well, shouldn't we wait to see what needs they have?

Personally, I have no interest in trading for anyone this early in the season.  I LOVE the way this rotation looks.  As long as everyone is healthy, they are perfect.  My only concern would be if one of the wings get hurt, we don't even really have someone who can step in for short periods of time, until Tony comes back (or if Walker makes progress).  But even with that, there are free agents who they could pick up if they needed to in a pinch.

The worst thing they could do now IMO is trade away all their assets for a mediocre role player or two.  Later in the season, they may be able to use them on an impact player, or there may be a glaring need they need to fill because of injuries (look at what the Magic did last year with Alston).

Right now this team looks like possibly the best team EVER.  Lets not mess with it.

Yep. 

Unless some team offers a no brainer, wait it out. 

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I really much rather the Celtics hold on to the trade bait till it becomes clear where their needs are. 


Right now, I think a PG the Celtics could start and feel comfortable with is the biggest need.  House and Daniels are fine off the bench, but I know we do not want to see either start for a long period of time at PG. 


I am not as worried about the depth behind Pierce.  They have already added Daniels. 

fair enough. got anyone on mind?

Well, shouldn't we wait to see what needs they have?

Personally, I have no interest in trading for anyone this early in the season.  I LOVE the way this rotation looks.  As long as everyone is healthy, they are perfect.  My only concern would be if one of the wings get hurt, we don't even really have someone who can step in for short periods of time, until Tony comes back (or if Walker makes progress).  But even with that, there are free agents who they could pick up if they needed to in a pinch.

The worst thing they could do now IMO is trade away all their assets for a mediocre role player or two.  Later in the season, they may be able to use them on an impact player, or there may be a glaring need they need to fill because of injuries (look at what the Magic did last year with Alston).

Right now this team looks like possibly the best team EVER.  Lets not mess with it.

Yep. 

Unless some team offers a no brainer, wait it out. 

Well that's no fun......