Baby, Scal and Giddens for Gadzuric and The Fresh Prince

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The Bucks give up a unique and talented player in Mbah a Moute, but one who is best designed to be a role player on a better team (i.e. he essentially never scores). The price for this is ridding themselves of Gadzuric’s 7.2million salary next year, and getting an excellent young player, Baby, at a position where they’re very thin.

The Celtics get an elite defender at the 3 and 4 (think Rashard Lewis), and an overpaid back-up 5, albeit one who played better last year and is still an agile defender – a key to playing in the Cs system. Gadzuric provides a little insurance behind Perk, and can be used as an expiring deal next year if we need to bring in a player.

Baby gets what he wants – starters minutes – so he agrees to the deal. Herb Kohl hates to lose Mbah a Moute, but has to face the fact that getting rid of paying Dan 7.2million out of his pocket for next year supersedes Skiles’ pleadings to keep Luc Richard. Money talks, Herb’s been losing a lot of it on the Bucks (rumors of sale or move), and The Fresh Prince ain’t selling any tickets.

I believe this deal could make sense for both teams, and just works out by a hair under BYC rules. Baby counts 1.5 going out from the Cs, so they have 6 mil going out and 7.5 coming in. Baby counts 3 coming in to the Bucks, so they have 7.5 going out and 7.5 coming in. I’d also be willing to throw in Bill Walker it if would get it done.

[Cman]

I absolutely love the deal from the Cs point of view, but can't see that Milwaukee would be that interested -- or at least, I would imagine that Milwaukee could get more for Mbah a Moute.  The Cs might even need to part with a draft pick.

[wdleehi]

Celtics can not take on that strangle hold contract.  Not for a player that is more of a project then a sure thing. 

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Celtics can not take on that strangle hold contract.  Not for a player that is more of a project then a sure thing. 

let's say wyc is willing to pay the tax on the deal for next year. how does it change their cap situation, or restrict them? they're going to resign ray to a short deal and have the MLE - same difference.

also, i think luc is one of the best defenders in the game hands down, and can defend 3 positions. he is not a project.

[Cman]

Celtics can not take on that strangle hold contract.  Not for a player that is more of a project then a sure thing. 

Are we talking about Gadzuric?  He's not a project, he's just overpaid.  Everyone know what he brings.  Look at it this way, the Cs would be paying $3-4M more next year than if they don't do the deal, but that $3-4M is about what Mbah is worth, and he would provide insurance in case the Cs are not able to keep Marquis Daniels.

Edit: Oh, I get it, you think Mbah is the project.  I don't agree.

[Greenbean]

I generally ignore trade proposals. No offense but with these things if I didnt come up with it I rarely agree.

I likey this one though and you talked me into thinking the Buck's would do this.

I loooove Mbah and while I cannot fathom how they payed Gadzurich 7.2 mil, he alsways is an active body against the C's and I wouldn't mind him as insurance.


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[Bankshot]

Gadzuric?  um, no.

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Gadzuric?  um, no.

yeah he's no Tony Allen.

Look forget Dan Gadziric, you're not gonna pay him, Wyc is -- it's about Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

[Chris]

Mbah ah Moute does not add enough to make up for the loss in value going from Davis and Scal to Gadzuric.

If you are going to take on a bad contract, you can do much better than that in today's NBA.

[Fafnir]

Mbah ah Moute does not add enough to make up for the loss in value going from Davis and Scal to Gadzuric.

If you are going to take on a bad contract, you can do much better than that in today's NBA.

Seriously Gadzuric has one of the worst contracts in the league.

Also BBD has a more proven track record than Mbah ah Moute.

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Mbah ah Moute does not add enough to make up for the loss in value going from Davis and Scal to Gadzuric.

If you are going to take on a bad contract, you can do much better than that in today's NBA.

I'm not sure which teams are giving away a young player with an A+ NBA skill on a cheap, extended deal in a salary dump. The candidates would be Sacremento, NOH, MIL, maybe Charlotte or PHX. Can you identify such an opportunity with any of these teams or others? Or can you provide an example of 'doing it much better' recently?

Clearly we disagree on what value Scal and Davis provide. LRMAM brings a skill that we lack on this team, one that we'll need. I'm not sure what Baby brings to the team that we don't make up for between Gadzuric and Williams (i'll sacrifice the 15 foot jumper for Williams superior rebounding).

[Chris]

Mbah ah Moute does not add enough to make up for the loss in value going from Davis and Scal to Gadzuric.

If you are going to take on a bad contract, you can do much better than that in today's NBA.

I'm not sure which teams are giving away a young player with an A+ NBA skill on a cheap, extended deal in a salary dump. The candidates would be Sacremento, NOH, MIL, maybe Charlotte or PHX. Can you identify such an opportunity with any of these teams or others? Or can you provide an example of 'doing it much better' recently?

Clearly we disagree on what value Scal and Davis provide. LRMAM brings a skill that we lack on this team, one that we'll need. I'm not sure what Baby brings to the team that we don't make up for between Gadzuric and Williams (i'll sacrifice the 15 foot jumper for Williams superior rebounding).

He is a good defender (although I think he looks better because he is surrounded with such horrendous ones), but he is a pretty horrendous offensive player.  I actually think Giddens may even be a more effective player right now than Mbah ah Moute.  But Giddens plays on a team that is asking much more of him.

Don't be fooled by numbers and playing time on a terrible team.  Mbah ah Moute is not a very good NBA player.  He is a decent prospect, with a LOT of growing to do. 

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Mbah ah Moute does not add enough to make up for the loss in value going from Davis and Scal to Gadzuric.

If you are going to take on a bad contract, you can do much better than that in today's NBA.

Seriously Gadzuric has one of the worst contracts in the league.

Also BBD has a more proven track record than Mbah ah Moute.

Disagree. He HAD one of the worst in the league. It ends next year.

His deal is preferable to players with 3, 4 or 5 years left on poorly judged MLE deals like Udrih, Matt Carroll, Diop, etc. Gadzuric was that guy 3 years ago. You could argue that Corey Maggette or Francisco Garcia has a worse deal, depending on your point of view.

Clearly the Celtics put flexibility at a premium, which is why Posey isn't here, and Nocioni wasn't traded for last year. Gadzuric becomes a contractual asset in 8 months. All you (that is, the Cs) gotta do is pay him.

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Mbah ah Moute does not add enough to make up for the loss in value going from Davis and Scal to Gadzuric.

If you are going to take on a bad contract, you can do much better than that in today's NBA.

I'm not sure which teams are giving away a young player with an A+ NBA skill on a cheap, extended deal in a salary dump. The candidates would be Sacremento, NOH, MIL, maybe Charlotte or PHX. Can you identify such an opportunity with any of these teams or others? Or can you provide an example of 'doing it much better' recently?

Clearly we disagree on what value Scal and Davis provide. LRMAM brings a skill that we lack on this team, one that we'll need. I'm not sure what Baby brings to the team that we don't make up for between Gadzuric and Williams (i'll sacrifice the 15 foot jumper for Williams superior rebounding).

He is a good defender (although I think he looks better because he is surrounded with such horrendous ones), but he is a pretty horrendous offensive player.  I actually think Giddens may even be a more effective player right now than Mbah ah Moute.  But Giddens plays on a team that is asking much more of him.

Don't be fooled by numbers and playing time on a terrible team.  Mbah ah Moute is not a very good NBA player.  He is a decent prospect, with a LOT of growing to do. 

Again, disagree. I don't have any idea what his numbers are, and I know he can't shoot. I've seen him play a number of times and believe he is one of the premiere on-the-ball defenders in the NBA. I think if you imagine that Giddens is a better defender than Fresh you should take another look.

[wdleehi]

Gadzuric?  um, no.

yeah he's no Tony Allen.

Look forget Dan Gadziric, you're not gonna pay him, Wyc is -- it's about Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

And the Celtics paying him could cost us fans watching them sign someone for the MLE.   


If he is taking up a big portion of the budget, it cuts into what Ainge can add.