Adam Morrison

[NextCeltic34]

I'd be okay with bringing him in on a minimum contract this summer.

Co-sign.

[KCattheStripe]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

[the_Bird]

I'd be okay with bringing him in on a minimum contract this summer.

Taking whose spot in the rotation?

Would Morrison get any minutes on the current Celtics?

If Ray Allen walks, I would hope we'd do better replacing him than bringing aboard Adam Morrison (assuming that Quisy would start and Morrison would take his place on the bench).  That'd be a bigger downgrade than James Posey-to-Tony Allen.

Why would he be promised a spot in the rotation?  If he earned it, he could be the backup SF, but why did you extrapolate a spot in the rotation for him?  There are 15 players on the roster; he could just as easily be filling the Giddens, Tony, or Scal roles.

Meh, what's the point then?  I mean, granted he's better than Giddens and TA, but I'm not exactly optimistic that he's ever going to turn into a rotation-caliber player.  This isn't a case of a guy just needs to start hitting his jumper or he needs a little confidence boost.  This is a player that coming out of college had known physical limitations that many people thought were going to severely limit his ability to play on the next level, and that has borne out completely true so far.  Is he somehow going to become quick or strong enough to be a rotation player?  What's his upside at this point?

If not, what's the point?  I'd rather have someone on the bench who can play D, or someone that's got some upside. 

Hell, I'd much rather re-sign Scal (shouldn't be that expensive) since he's shown that he can play some D, he can fill in at the 3 or the 4, and I trust his shot as much as I would trust Morrison's. 

Why sign any minimum-salary player?  You're required to carry 13 players on your team, and some of them need to be filler.  In terms of "upside", why doesn't Morrison have any?  I'd rather have him than Giddens or Tony.

I just don't see him as having any role.  Philosophically, I'd rather have those guys on the bench either be developmental guys or someone with a specific role that they could fill; someone who's an exceptional shooter, or someone that can play D or rebound.  I don't see Morrison as doing ANYTHING good enough to deserve getting much of any playing time.  Hell, I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have Tony Allen, since TA has at least shown some value on the defensive end.  

Morrison is overmatched physically, can't get his shot off, hits a poor percentage of those shots that he does get off, can't play any D, doesn't rebound, doesn't get many assists, and is not likely (because of physical limitations) to get materially better.  Shouldn't a guy on the roster have at least ONE positive attribute? 

Best-case for Morrison is that he puts on forty pounds and becomes a poor man's Scalabrine (and no, I'm not just comparing those two guys because they're both goofy-looking and white).  But, I don't really hear people talking about Morrison as being someone who does "the little things," setting picks and whatnot.  Maybe I'm missing that, I don't know.  What am I missing about Morrison that makes him have any appeal, even as roster fodder?

For those last spots on the roster, it's one D or the other; Developmental guys or Defense guys.

[Birdbrain]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

[KCattheStripe]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

My fault, I miss read the stat line. But to say Dirk " can't rebound"  when after you exclude the first two years of his career, he's averaged 9+ per game is defensive hyperbole. To say these two players don't have comparable talents is flat homerism. Is Dirk a better player than Bird, good lord no. But to discount the similarities in their abilities, especially going so far as to say a player " can't" do something when they're quite good at it, is foolish.

[footey]

It is absurd to compare Dirk with Larry. He lacks Bird's court vision and competitiveness. I don't care what the "stats" say as to Dirk being in the conversation.  How about this statistic: 3-0??

[fairweatherfan]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

My fault, I miss read the stat line. But to say Dirk " can't rebound"  when after you exclude the first two years of his career, he's averaged 9+ per game is defensive hyperbole. To say these two players don't have comparable talents is flat homerism. Is Dirk a better player than Bird, good lord no. But to discount the similarities in their abilities, especially going so far as to say a player " can't" do something when they're quite good at it, is foolish.

Dirk is to Bird what Kobe is to Jordan - similar skill set and appearance (physically and how he moves while playing), probably partly modeled his game on him, but will always be a few notches below him.  Kobe is Diet Jordan, Dirk is Diet Larry.

[Mr October]

Kobe is Diet Jordan, Dirk is Diet Larry.

TP. Line of the day.

[the_Bird]

Bird >>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk.  Of course.

But, at least if you're comparing Dirk to Larry, Dirk's very good at pretty much all aspects of basketball - he's not JUST a shooter.  He may or may not be as good a rebounder as Larry, and he certainly doesn't have Larry's court vision - but who does?  He can board, he can pass.  He's a very good all-around player, not necessarily a great defender (neither was Larry, at least one-on-one).  He's an exceptional shooter who happens as well to be a goofy-looking white guy.  The latter is still, unfortunately, probably the biggest reason for the comparisions, but at least Dirk does a lot of things well, just like Larry.

Most of the other "next Larry Bird" comparisions have had little in common with The Legend other than their lack of melanin.  

[KCattheStripe]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

My fault, I miss read the stat line. But to say Dirk " can't rebound"  when after you exclude the first two years of his career, he's averaged 9+ per game is defensive hyperbole. To say these two players don't have comparable talents is flat homerism. Is Dirk a better player than Bird, good lord no. But to discount the similarities in their abilities, especially going so far as to say a player " can't" do something when they're quite good at it, is foolish.

Dirk is to Bird what Kobe is to Jordan - similar skill set and appearance, probably partly modeled his game on him, but will always be a few notches below him.  Kobe is Diet Jordan, Dirk is Diet Larry.

I'm fine with that.  Just to say that they're not comparable is a little ridiculous. Saying Ammo is comparable is fine,  but to say an All Time great player who has been on multiple 60 win teams and played in an NBA finals and has a similar skill set isn't "comparable" is ludicrous.

[Birdbrain]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

My fault, I miss read the stat line. But to say Dirk " can't rebound"  when after you exclude the first two years of his career, he's averaged 9+ per game is defensive hyperbole. To say these two players don't have comparable talents is flat homerism. Is Dirk a better player than Bird, good lord no. But to discount the similarities in their abilities, especially going so far as to say a player " can't" do something when they're quite good at it, is foolish.

The real difference was Bird's overall BBIQ and passing which again aren't in same hemisphere.  

It's not ludicrous at all and a smack to the Legend.

They are both white and blond.

[KCattheStripe]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

My fault, I miss read the stat line. But to say Dirk " can't rebound"  when after you exclude the first two years of his career, he's averaged 9+ per game is defensive hyperbole. To say these two players don't have comparable talents is flat homerism. Is Dirk a better player than Bird, good lord no. But to discount the similarities in their abilities, especially going so far as to say a player " can't" do something when they're quite good at it, is foolish.

The real difference was Bird's overall BBIQ and passing which again aren't in same hemisphere.  

Fine, but to say the players aren't even comparable...

[Fafnir]

The fact that the OP used Bird in the same sentence made me throw up in my mouth a little.   

coming out of college though everybody was comparing him to Bird though, but ya, just never panned out.

First off, it was not everybody and second it's was only because they are 2 ugly white guys. That's where the comparison ends. Had either one of them not been white, nobody would compare their games. Morrisons doesn't have 1/10th the court vision Bird has. Nor is he anywhere near the rebounder or passer Bird was. Sillest comparison I've ever heard.

Agreed similar to the silly notion that Dirk is comparable to better than Larry.  Of course that came from some the jealous hack broadcasters.

I think it's fair to say Dirk has a comparable skill set to Larry. I mean the man is a lights out shooter, can take most PF's off the dribble and... oh yeah... he was an MVP!

Not not even close.... wait for it... here it comes, IMO.

He could play until the cows come home and it won't matter.

Can't pass, rebound, or a lead a team.

Dirk, for his career, has averaged 8.6 boards per game. He's averaged at least close to 9 every year since 00-01. In contrast, Larry never averaged 9 per game. Granted Larry had more talented rebounders around him, but there were also a lot more shots per game in the 80's.

Larry averaged 10 for his career and he was going up against the best front line in history for boards.  These players are not comparable.

And I'm talking about big time rebounds in traffic like Pierce gets not stat padding run out rebounds.

In regards to Morrison I'm not sure if I would cry or laugh first if ever got PT on my C's.

Dirk and Larry's rebounding rates are actually pretty close. Larry has played more minutes than Dirk. You're making a mountain out of a small rebounding edge for Larry.

[Fafnir]

Fine, but to say the players aren't even comparable...

I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this.

[fairweatherfan]

Dirk is to Bird what Kobe is to Jordan - similar skill set and appearance, probably partly modeled his game on him, but will always be a few notches below him.  Kobe is Diet Jordan, Dirk is Diet Larry.

I'm fine with that.  Just to say that they're not comparable is a little ridiculous. Saying Ammo is comparable is fine,  but to say an All Time great player who has been on multiple 60 win teams and played in an NBA finals and has a similar skill set isn't "comparable" is ludicrous.

Yeah, I think you're defining comparable as "similar skill set and position, and both are excellent players" and BB is defining it as "you can make an argument for either one being better than the other".  I tend to agree with your definition, but I think this is mostly a semantic debate.