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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2009, 08:30:49 PM »

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YES !!!  he should start.  I love Perk, but Rasheed is a legend, and KG and Rasheed playing together is soooo ridiculous, impossible to defend them.

I don't think so. I think bringing Sheed off the bench is what makes our team so dangerous.  Sheed playing the second units in the league gives us a huge advantage.

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2009, 08:42:08 PM »

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YES !!!  he should start.  I love Perk, but Rasheed is a legend, and KG and Rasheed playing together is soooo ridiculous, impossible to defend them.

I don't think so. I think bringing Sheed off the bench is what makes our team so dangerous.  Sheed playing the second units in the league gives us a huge advantage.

Agreed whole-heartedly.  Neither the starters nor the bench would be as good if 'Sheed and Perk swapped roles.

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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2009, 09:36:29 PM »

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YES !!!  he should start.  I love Perk, but Rasheed is a legend, and KG and Rasheed playing together is soooo ridiculous, impossible to defend them.

I don't think so. I think bringing Sheed off the bench is what makes our team so dangerous.  Sheed playing the second units in the league gives us a huge advantage.

Agreed whole-heartedly.  Neither the starters nor the bench would be as good if 'Sheed and Perk swapped roles.

The bench might be worse, but the starters might be better.  I really do love Perk, but since when does the best center on the team come off the bench? 

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2009, 09:51:55 PM »

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I was impressed overall - his ability to sink 3s is a big, big asset to the bench both for points and spreading the floor for others.  But he seemed to tire and lose his stroke later in the game, and struggled to get off good shots closer in.  I'm not a "Sheed needs to post up 12 times a game!" guy, but I'd like to see more from him offensively than just pick and pops for 3. 

Rebounding and defense seemed pretty good too though; overall, he's a huge upgrade from last year.  And one game does not a season make  ;D  But over the next few games I'd like to see just a little more offensive versatility, because we're much, much more dangerous when his entire offensive repertoire is in play. 

Well, I think the post thing should be dependent on situations.  I like him in the post when he's in with only a starter or two and House, Daniels, and maybe Baby.  However, when he's in with the starters, I like him out at the three point line.  Drawing opposing bigs out really frees up things for Pierce, KG, and Rondo to get to the hoop. 

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 12:14:22 AM »

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He definitely looks good and seems to be meshing well with the other players on defense.

One thing that didn't impress me though is he looks like he is done playing in the paint on offense. Tonight he took 7 shots every one at the 3 point line. Even though he is hitting a high percentage, the Celts are already largely a jump shooting team and if the shots aren't falling, who is going to go inside and get the dirty points in the paint? Don't think KG likes doing that and Perkins might not be enough of an offensive threat... we'll see

As long as they are dominating like tonight, though, it doesn't matter, just making a point that i would like for him, and for that matter Garnett as well, to play more in the paint rather than just taking long jump shots

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 03:05:30 AM »

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He definitely looks good and seems to be meshing well with the other players on defense.

One thing that didn't impress me though is he looks like he is done playing in the paint on offense. Tonight he took 7 shots every one at the 3 point line. Even though he is hitting a high percentage, the Celts are already largely a jump shooting team and if the shots aren't falling, who is going to go inside and get the dirty points in the paint? Don't think KG likes doing that and Perkins might not be enough of an offensive threat... we'll see

As long as they are dominating like tonight, though, it doesn't matter, just making a point that i would like for him, and for that matter Garnett as well, to play more in the paint rather than just taking long jump shots

 
Unfortunately, for some reason we decided to not offer a minimum contract to our best post player (Leon Powe) and instead offered a scalabrine sized 3mil per year contract to an average jump shooter named BBD who likes to bare fist fight with his child hood buddies two days before the first game of the season. 

Leon Powe is THAT GUY to take it inside every time.  It is great because he either gets fouled, or scores, or both!  VERY efficient.  Fun to watch too.

KG and Rasheed are NOT that type of player.  They can do it if they have to, but they don't like to.  Powe is young, and has the muscle to take the beating.  KG and Rasheed are not. 
Al Jefferson loves to work the post.  KG and Rasheed would rather take a fade away jump shot.  Its not going to change.  We can win without a strong post presence, but it was nice when we had Powe.  He would come in with the bench and immediatly, the bigs guarding powe would pick up a couple of fouls.  We just don't have him this year, the cavs have him.

ANYWAYS...
Wide open 3s and jump shots are fine with me if we have good rebounders in the game.
Usually these shots are taken on fastbreaks or when we have good position below the basket.
Good news, is if the shots aren't falling, we have plenty of slashers (Rondo, Pierce, Daniels, Allen)  and KG, Perk, and Sheed will do some post work if they have to.  But the post play and inside game will be secondary to the pick and pops and slashing, because thats what our team is good at this year. 

good times.

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 03:10:43 AM »

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He definitely looks good and seems to be meshing well with the other players on defense.

One thing that didn't impress me though is he looks like he is done playing in the paint on offense. Tonight he took 7 shots every one at the 3 point line. Even though he is hitting a high percentage, the Celts are already largely a jump shooting team and if the shots aren't falling, who is going to go inside and get the dirty points in the paint? Don't think KG likes doing that and Perkins might not be enough of an offensive threat... we'll see

As long as they are dominating like tonight, though, it doesn't matter, just making a point that i would like for him, and for that matter Garnett as well, to play more in the paint rather than just taking long jump shots

 
Unfortunately, for some reason we decided to not offer a minimum contract to our best post player (Leon Powe) and instead offered a scalabrine sized 3mil per year contract to an average jump shooter named BBD who likes to bare fist fight with his child hood buddies two days before the first game of the season. 

Leon Powe is THAT GUY to take it inside every time.  It is great because he either gets fouled, or scores, or both!  VERY efficient.  Fun to watch too.

KG and Rasheed are NOT that type of player.  They can do it if they have to, but they don't like to.  Powe is young, and has the muscle to take the beating.  KG and Rasheed are not. 
Al Jefferson loves to work the post.  KG and Rasheed would rather take a fade away jump shot.  Its not going to change.  We can win without a strong post presence, but it was nice when we had Powe.  He would come in with the bench and immediatly, the bigs guarding powe would pick up a couple of fouls.  We just don't have him this year, the cavs have him.

ANYWAYS...
Wide open 3s and jump shots are fine with me if we have good rebounders in the game.
Usually these shots are taken on fastbreaks or when we have good position below the basket.
Good news, is if the shots aren't falling, we have plenty of slashers (Rondo, Pierce, Daniels, Allen)  and KG, Perk, and Sheed will do some post work if they have to.  But the post play and inside game will be secondary to the pick and pops and slashing, because thats what our team is good at this year. 

good times.


The problem was that Leon Powe wouldn't play till January, and has three surgeries on that knee already. I really would have liked Powe, just to stash him in a spot and wait till he's ready, but I understand why management didn't want that risk.
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 03:22:57 AM »

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He definitely looks good and seems to be meshing well with the other players on defense.

One thing that didn't impress me though is he looks like he is done playing in the paint on offense. Tonight he took 7 shots every one at the 3 point line. Even though he is hitting a high percentage, the Celts are already largely a jump shooting team and if the shots aren't falling, who is going to go inside and get the dirty points in the paint? Don't think KG likes doing that and Perkins might not be enough of an offensive threat... we'll see

As long as they are dominating like tonight, though, it doesn't matter, just making a point that i would like for him, and for that matter Garnett as well, to play more in the paint rather than just taking long jump shots

 
Unfortunately, for some reason we decided to not offer a minimum contract to our best post player (Leon Powe) and instead offered a scalabrine sized 3mil per year contract to an average jump shooter named BBD who likes to bare fist fight with his child hood buddies two days before the first game of the season. 

Leon Powe is THAT GUY to take it inside every time.  It is great because he either gets fouled, or scores, or both!  VERY efficient.  Fun to watch too.

KG and Rasheed are NOT that type of player.  They can do it if they have to, but they don't like to.  Powe is young, and has the muscle to take the beating.  KG and Rasheed are not. 
Al Jefferson loves to work the post.  KG and Rasheed would rather take a fade away jump shot.  Its not going to change.  We can win without a strong post presence, but it was nice when we had Powe.  He would come in with the bench and immediatly, the bigs guarding powe would pick up a couple of fouls.  We just don't have him this year, the cavs have him.

ANYWAYS...
Wide open 3s and jump shots are fine with me if we have good rebounders in the game.
Usually these shots are taken on fastbreaks or when we have good position below the basket.
Good news, is if the shots aren't falling, we have plenty of slashers (Rondo, Pierce, Daniels, Allen)  and KG, Perk, and Sheed will do some post work if they have to.  But the post play and inside game will be secondary to the pick and pops and slashing, because thats what our team is good at this year. 

good times.


The problem was that Leon Powe wouldn't play till January, and has three surgeries on that knee already. I really would have liked Powe, just to stash him in a spot and wait till he's ready, but I understand why management didn't want that risk.

Well, the cavs are stashing him in a spot and waiting till he's ready.  Is JR Giddens that important? How many minutes has he played in the finals? 

I don't understand why management didn't offer a qualifying offer to Powe, after what he's done for us the past 3 seasons.  The risk could not have been that bad if the Cavs were ready with an offer. 

I miss Powe and hope he does well with the cavs, but I love having Rasheed and have always been impressed with sheed.  Sheed in green is no different.   He's a legend.

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2009, 03:40:00 AM »

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He definitely looks good and seems to be meshing well with the other players on defense.

One thing that didn't impress me though is he looks like he is done playing in the paint on offense. Tonight he took 7 shots every one at the 3 point line. Even though he is hitting a high percentage, the Celts are already largely a jump shooting team and if the shots aren't falling, who is going to go inside and get the dirty points in the paint? Don't think KG likes doing that and Perkins might not be enough of an offensive threat... we'll see

As long as they are dominating like tonight, though, it doesn't matter, just making a point that i would like for him, and for that matter Garnett as well, to play more in the paint rather than just taking long jump shots

 
Unfortunately, for some reason we decided to not offer a minimum contract to our best post player (Leon Powe) and instead offered a scalabrine sized 3mil per year contract to an average jump shooter named BBD who likes to bare fist fight with his child hood buddies two days before the first game of the season. 

Leon Powe is THAT GUY to take it inside every time.  It is great because he either gets fouled, or scores, or both!  VERY efficient.  Fun to watch too.

KG and Rasheed are NOT that type of player.  They can do it if they have to, but they don't like to.  Powe is young, and has the muscle to take the beating.  KG and Rasheed are not. 
Al Jefferson loves to work the post.  KG and Rasheed would rather take a fade away jump shot.  Its not going to change.  We can win without a strong post presence, but it was nice when we had Powe.  He would come in with the bench and immediatly, the bigs guarding powe would pick up a couple of fouls.  We just don't have him this year, the cavs have him.

ANYWAYS...
Wide open 3s and jump shots are fine with me if we have good rebounders in the game.
Usually these shots are taken on fastbreaks or when we have good position below the basket.
Good news, is if the shots aren't falling, we have plenty of slashers (Rondo, Pierce, Daniels, Allen)  and KG, Perk, and Sheed will do some post work if they have to.  But the post play and inside game will be secondary to the pick and pops and slashing, because thats what our team is good at this year. 

good times.


The problem was that Leon Powe wouldn't play till January, and has three surgeries on that knee already. I really would have liked Powe, just to stash him in a spot and wait till he's ready, but I understand why management didn't want that risk.

Well, the cavs are stashing him in a spot and waiting till he's ready.  Is JR Giddens that important? How many minutes has he played in the finals? 

I don't understand why management didn't offer a qualifying offer to Powe, after what he's done for us the past 3 seasons.  The risk could not have been that bad if the Cavs were ready with an offer. 

I miss Powe and hope he does well with the cavs, but I love having Rasheed and have always been impressed with sheed.  Sheed in green is no different.   He's a legend.

If we as a team firsthand saw what happened to Powe, and he was diagnosed by our medical staff, I think you as management would listen. Moreover, the Cavs (as seen by the first two games) had much more of a pressing need for a 4 than we did. Remember, Powe definitely not their first option. THey just missed out on Sheed and Mcdyess.

Giddens also has little to do with Powe. His contract expires this year, and we may or may not keep him. More importantly, we had more of a pressing need at the 3 position, and we wanted one of the youngsters or TA to pan out. If they don't they'll be gone too.

I think Powe's awesome, and if healthy he will have a solid career. But if you were in the position of management and your medical staff tells you that 3 injuries on the knees at such a young age is NOT a good thing, I don't know if you'd do any different.
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2009, 04:05:27 AM »

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I thought Rasheed played well. good effort, timely 3's and nice defense. Were you impressed with Wallace's first game as a Celtic?

To bring it back around, yes, I'm impressed so far ... or I should say pleased with what I've seen so far. Sheed is a hot-or-cold shooter, but he seems to be more at ease here with his role than ever before, and I think the change in his attitude will help. It was tough for me at first because he's one of those guys I always loved to hate ... he was a Piston, after all. But he seems to be such a perfect fit for this team ... and could easily end up with the 6th Man of the Year award. So far, so good. 
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YES !!!  he should start.  I love Perk, but Rasheed is a legend, and KG and Rasheed playing together is soooo ridiculous, impossible to defend them.

I don't think so. I think bringing Sheed off the bench is what makes our team so dangerous.  Sheed playing the second units in the league gives us a huge advantage.

Agreed whole-heartedly.  Neither the starters nor the bench would be as good if 'Sheed and Perk swapped roles.

The bench might be worse, but the starters might be better.  I really do love Perk, but since when does the best center on the team come off the bench? 

It would force KG to defend larger players more often.  Don't over look the defense of Perk on Shaq, keeping him from getting in close for easy shots. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2009, 08:19:33 AM »

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So far so Good his defense has been great, but already some thing I don't like. I hate that he's rarely in the paint on offense. I'm not saying he has to post up anyone, but he's rarely an option for anything other than the 3 and his offensive boards are non-existent.

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2009, 08:42:12 AM »

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So far so Good his defense has been great, but already some thing I don't like. I hate that he's rarely in the paint on offense. I'm not saying he has to post up anyone, but he's rarely an option for anything other than the 3 and his offensive boards are non-existent.

Yea I'd hope he'd be in the paint some more too.  All 8 of his shots last night were from beyond the arc.

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2009, 08:43:28 AM »

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So far so Good his defense has been great, but already some thing I don't like. I hate that he's rarely in the paint on offense. I'm not saying he has to post up anyone, but he's rarely an option for anything other than the 3 and his offensive boards are non-existent.

I think this will come.  Particularly if teams start putting smaller guys on him, in order to try to stretch the C's defense more.  I think at that point, he will start posting up a little more, to make them pay.  But when teams are covering him with a big man, then I absolutely prefer to have him out on the perimeter, because it opens up the middle for guys like Pierce, Rondo, Daniels, and KG to work...even Ray was taking advantage of the wide open paint by posting up Mo Williams against the Cavs.  That wouldn't have happened if they didn't have a guy like Sheed in there.

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So far so Good his defense has been great, but already some thing I don't like. I hate that he's rarely in the paint on offense. I'm not saying he has to post up anyone, but he's rarely an option for anything other than the 3 and his offensive boards are non-existent.

You can make that same comment about KG. I would argue that because his game is so similar to KG's that it's a bonus because he fits in seamlessly when KG is out of the lineup. The only difference is that he parks himself about 5 feet farther back and so when he knocks his down they are 3's versus 2's.