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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2009, 09:15:34 AM »

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So far so Good his defense has been great, but already some thing I don't like. I hate that he's rarely in the paint on offense. I'm not saying he has to post up anyone, but he's rarely an option for anything other than the 3 and his offensive boards are non-existent.

I think this will come.  Particularly if teams start putting smaller guys on him, in order to try to stretch the C's defense more.  I think at that point, he will start posting up a little more, to make them pay.  But when teams are covering him with a big man, then I absolutely prefer to have him out on the perimeter, because it opens up the middle for guys like Pierce, Rondo, Daniels, and KG to work...even Ray was taking advantage of the wide open paint by posting up Mo Williams against the Cavs.  That wouldn't have happened if they didn't have a guy like Sheed in there.
He took nearly 90% of his shots from outside last year. He is what he is at this point, a jump shooting big man on offense and a solid defender at the 4/5. That's all the C's need from him to win though.

I'd like him to post up some more, but I think that just wishful thinking at this point.

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2009, 09:23:21 AM »

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We are scary good with Rasheed. Scary good.

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2009, 10:52:12 AM »

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Absolutely impressed with Rasheed Wallace on our team.  His basketball IQ is off the charts.  He defends, he spreads the floor, he doesn't need all the touches, he inspires with his passion for the game... I am so glad he's on our team!

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2009, 10:53:16 AM »

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I'm impressed.  He does take a lot of 3's though.  Seems like it's contagious with all the 3's the team has taken the first two games.
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2009, 10:56:22 AM »

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He's played very well.  I agree that he's a little quick on the trigger from 3 pt range though.  That is going to hurt his percentage over the long term.  Just the open ones, Rasheed!

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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2009, 05:55:13 PM »

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He's played very well.  I agree that he's a little quick on the trigger from 3 pt range though.  That is going to hurt his percentage over the long term.  Just the open ones, Rasheed!

Yeah, but the cool thing about that is other teams still have to respect that shot, and it's going to loosen up the paint for others to get to the hoop or Sheed to drop it inside. I think we were near the top of the league in 3-point attempts last year anyway, weren't we? So it's not like it's something new to deal with. Sheed is a very hot or very cold shooter, but I think his percentage will go up in Boston, because his role allows him to be more relaxed, and that's the best way for a shooter to be.
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2009, 06:01:19 PM »

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Yeah, I thought Sheed took too much three's in the Bobcats game (actually, he only took 3's). As the team did. But when you think about it, they got open looks almost every time so it was hard to pass on it. They did a better job of getting in the paint in the second half, though.

And Bahku is right, the team was the best in 3 point shooting last season. And with shooters like Ray, Pierce, House and Sheed, it would be foolish not to play a lot from dowtown.

Still, I would like to see Sheed post-up more often. I know his shooting touch stretches the D, and we've seen how useful it has been so far, but I don't want him to be only a 3 point shooter because it could turn out against him - and the team - if he does only one thing. I'm not that worried, though, I'm sure Doc will use him for the best, and in the paint (or near the paint).

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2009, 06:27:08 PM »

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He definitely looks good and seems to be meshing well with the other players on defense.

One thing that didn't impress me though is he looks like he is done playing in the paint on offense. Tonight he took 7 shots every one at the 3 point line. Even though he is hitting a high percentage, the Celts are already largely a jump shooting team and if the shots aren't falling, who is going to go inside and get the dirty points in the paint? Don't think KG likes doing that and Perkins might not be enough of an offensive threat... we'll see

As long as they are dominating like tonight, though, it doesn't matter, just making a point that i would like for him, and for that matter Garnett as well, to play more in the paint rather than just taking long jump shots

 
Unfortunately, for some reason we decided to not offer a minimum contract to our best post player (Leon Powe) and instead offered a scalabrine sized 3mil per year contract to an average jump shooter named BBD who likes to bare fist fight with his child hood buddies two days before the first game of the season. 

Leon Powe is THAT GUY to take it inside every time.  It is great because he either gets fouled, or scores, or both!  VERY efficient.  Fun to watch too.

KG and Rasheed are NOT that type of player.  They can do it if they have to, but they don't like to.  Powe is young, and has the muscle to take the beating.  KG and Rasheed are not. 
Al Jefferson loves to work the post.  KG and Rasheed would rather take a fade away jump shot.  Its not going to change.  We can win without a strong post presence, but it was nice when we had Powe.  He would come in with the bench and immediatly, the bigs guarding powe would pick up a couple of fouls.  We just don't have him this year, the cavs have him.

ANYWAYS...
Wide open 3s and jump shots are fine with me if we have good rebounders in the game.
Usually these shots are taken on fastbreaks or when we have good position below the basket.
Good news, is if the shots aren't falling, we have plenty of slashers (Rondo, Pierce, Daniels, Allen)  and KG, Perk, and Sheed will do some post work if they have to.  But the post play and inside game will be secondary to the pick and pops and slashing, because thats what our team is good at this year. 

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The problem was that Leon Powe wouldn't play till January, and has three surgeries on that knee already. I really would have liked Powe, just to stash him in a spot and wait till he's ready, but I understand why management didn't want that risk.

Well, the cavs are stashing him in a spot and waiting till he's ready.  Is JR Giddens that important? How many minutes has he played in the finals? 

I don't understand why management didn't offer a qualifying offer to Powe, after what he's done for us the past 3 seasons.  The risk could not have been that bad if the Cavs were ready with an offer. 

I miss Powe and hope he does well with the cavs, but I love having Rasheed and have always been impressed with sheed.  Sheed in green is no different.   He's a legend.

If we as a team firsthand saw what happened to Powe, and he was diagnosed by our medical staff, I think you as management would listen. Moreover, the Cavs (as seen by the first two games) had much more of a pressing need for a 4 than we did. Remember, Powe definitely not their first option. THey just missed out on Sheed and Mcdyess.

Giddens also has little to do with Powe. His contract expires this year, and we may or may not keep him. More importantly, we had more of a pressing need at the 3 position, and we wanted one of the youngsters or TA to pan out. If they don't they'll be gone too.

I think Powe's awesome, and if healthy he will have a solid career. But if you were in the position of management and your medical staff tells you that 3 injuries on the knees at such a young age is NOT a good thing, I don't know if you'd do any different.
I still don't think there was any good reason to not sign Powe to a minimum.  He's better than Davis, and fits our team way better with his rebounding, defense, and post presence.

I really would've liked to see a trade before the season to bring in a SF better than Scal rather than waiting for a deadline (S&T with Baby, TA, and whomever else).  It likely would've given us a spare roster spot to use on Powe.

Sorry to drift off topic, I'm impressed with Rasheed.  The only thing that would've made him better is a solid post player (not Baby) to compliment him off the bench (Powe would've been fine for the playoffs).
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2009, 06:41:58 PM »

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I still don't think there was any good reason to not sign Powe to a minimum.  He's better than Davis, and fits our team way better with his rebounding, defense, and post presence.

I really would've liked to see a trade before the season to bring in a SF better than Scal rather than waiting for a deadline (S&T with Baby, TA, and whomever else).  It likely would've given us a spare roster spot to use on Powe.

Sorry to drift off topic, I'm impressed with Rasheed.  The only thing that would've made him better is a solid post player (not Baby) to compliment him off the bench (Powe would've been fine for the playoffs).
If Powe comes back healthy and effective, I hope he does. But that is not a sure thing, not after having so many knee issues since HS.

Remember he had the athleticism to be a lottery pick before his first surgeries. This one could cost him more lift and agility. As a player he's heavily dependent on his hops.

Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2009, 06:59:48 PM »

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*raises hand* I am, no doubt. Great pick up Danny. Can't wait 'til we pick up #18.

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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2009, 07:00:06 PM »

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More Sheed, Please.
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2009, 07:31:23 PM »

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YES !!!  he should start.  I love Perk, but Rasheed is a legend, and KG and Rasheed playing together is soooo ridiculous, impossible to defend them.

I don't think so. I think bringing Sheed off the bench is what makes our team so dangerous.  Sheed playing the second units in the league gives us a huge advantage.

Agreed whole-heartedly.  Neither the starters nor the bench would be as good if 'Sheed and Perk swapped roles.

Ok, roy hobbs.  I think i have found some support for my opinion.  http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/celtics/jeff-goodman/2009/10/28/did-you-notice-where-rasheed-wallace-was-crunch-time

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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2009, 09:34:14 PM »

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I still don't think there was any good reason to not sign Powe to a minimum.  He's better than Davis, and fits our team way better with his rebounding, defense, and post presence.

I really would've liked to see a trade before the season to bring in a SF better than Scal rather than waiting for a deadline (S&T with Baby, TA, and whomever else).  It likely would've given us a spare roster spot to use on Powe.

Sorry to drift off topic, I'm impressed with Rasheed.  The only thing that would've made him better is a solid post player (not Baby) to compliment him off the bench (Powe would've been fine for the playoffs).
If Powe comes back healthy and effective, I hope he does. But that is not a sure thing, not after having so many knee issues since HS.

Remember he had the athleticism to be a lottery pick before his first surgeries. This one could cost him more lift and agility. As a player he's heavily dependent on his hops.
I think that's worth the risk.  We would've had to find somebody for the half of the season anyway.  If Powe couldn't contribute when he came back, then that guy would continue playing the 10 minutes a night the 4th big is responsible for.  It's unlikely either Powe or Baby's replacement would be significantly worse than Baby.
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2009, 04:17:17 AM »

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I knew Sheed could play, but what I'm personally impressed with is his ability to adapt to "Ubuntu" and be a team player ... I truly thought it might be a bit much to expect of him, and that the big chip on his shoulder might weigh him down. His attitude has definitely improved, though, and he's more at ease on and off the court ... I think he's really going to thrive here, and put up the best numbers of his career.
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Re: impressed with sheed?
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2009, 08:34:56 AM »

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I knew Sheed could play, but what I'm personally impressed with is his ability to adapt to "Ubuntu" and be a team player ... I truly thought it might be a bit much to expect of him, and that the big chip on his shoulder might weigh him down. His attitude has definitely improved, though, and he's more at ease on and off the court ... I think he's really going to thrive here, and put up the best numbers of his career.

See, that's exactly what I'm not surprised by.  He was complete a part of those great Pistons squads, and from everything that I find he was considered by pretty much everyone to be an excellent teammate.  He said all the right things about being willing to come off the bench, etc., and I believed him. 

More recently, I loved that comment; paraphrasing here, "if Doc wants me to play two minutes, I'm going to bust my ass for two minutes."  Not surprising at all, consistent with what you read about himl; when he's in a good, team-focused environment, there's no teammate you'd rather go to battle with.

What I *was* worried about was whether he simply no longer could play - whether it wasn't just emotional fatigue and frustration that was holding him back in Detroit, but simple age and wear-and-tear.  Seems that he still has some game left.  Not going to put up career numbers - hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see his per-game averages all fall this year.  Same as when KG came here, though - individual numbers came down quite a bit, but the team success was there.