Since 'Toine's broke, should we feel bad?

[dark_lord]

taking responsibility and apologizing should NEVER be viewed as a sign of defeat or weakness.  rather, it should be viewed as noble, mature, and the sign of a real man.

[dark_lord]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

[Brickowski]

Why should I apologize for what others incorrectly interpreted my words to mean.

So it would be ok to criticize a white player with a craving for fried chicken who ate his way out of the league, but not a black player?  That distinction seems racist to me.

Also, to call my comment racist you would first have to assume that Antoine Walker somehow typifies black people, which is completely untrue.  He's highly atypical.



 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

That's not the point. The point is that you're making an issue where previously there was none. By doing so, you're making people take sides needlessly... hence at the end of it, it ends up promoting segregated ideas.

This is partly why I constantly criticize people like Jesse Jackson. For all his good intentions, by constantly playing the race card, he's actually having the opposite effect numerous times.

[dark_lord]

Why should I apologize for what others incorrectly interpreted my words to mean.

So it would be ok to criticize a white player with a craving for fried chicken who ate his way out of the league, but not a black player?  That distinction seems racist to me.

Also, to call my comment racist you would first have to assume that Antoine Walker somehow typifies black people, which is completely untrue.  He's highly atypical.

please refer to my previous post:

taking responsibility and apologizing should NEVER be viewed as a sign of defeat or weakness.  rather, it should be viewed as noble, mature, and the sign of a real man.

[dark_lord]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

That's not the point. The point is that you're making an issue where previously there was none. By doing so, you're making people take sides needlessly... hence at the end of it, it ends up promoting segregated ideas.

This is partly why I constantly criticize people like Jesse Jackson. For all his good intentions, by constantly playing the race card, he's actually having the opposite effect numerous times.

im not making people take sides, or promoting anything.  im just holding brick accountable.  if he has the right to make statements, then i have the right to call him out and hold him accountable.  if the shoe was on the other foot and i made a comment that people didnt like, i would apologize if my comment offended anyone then explain where i was coming from.  but brick has too much pride and refuses to do so

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

That's not the point. The point is that you're making an issue where previously there was none. By doing so, you're making people take sides needlessly... hence at the end of it, it ends up promoting segregated ideas.

This is partly why I constantly criticize people like Jesse Jackson. For all his good intentions, by constantly playing the race card, he's actually having the opposite effect numerous times.

im not making people take sides, or promoting anything.  im just holding brick accountable.  if he has the right to make statements, then i have the right to call him out and hold him accountable.  if the shoe was on the other foot and i made a comment that people didnt like, i would apologize if my comment offended anyone then explain where i was coming from.  bc brick has too much pride and refuses to do so

Of course you're not "making them do anything", just the same, it's the outcome of it. Which once again, it's the point I'm making. Or haven't you noticed how the discussion has progressed since you brought it forward? And this is small scale.

[dark_lord]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

That's not the point. The point is that you're making an issue where previously there was none. By doing so, you're making people take sides needlessly... hence at the end of it, it ends up promoting segregated ideas.

This is partly why I constantly criticize people like Jesse Jackson. For all his good intentions, by constantly playing the race card, he's actually having the opposite effect numerous times.

im not making people take sides, or promoting anything.  im just holding brick accountable.  if he has the right to make statements, then i have the right to call him out and hold him accountable.  if the shoe was on the other foot and i made a comment that people didnt like, i would apologize if my comment offended anyone then explain where i was coming from.  bc brick has too much pride and refuses to do so

Of course you're not "making them do anything", just the same, it's the outcome of it. Which once again, it's the point I'm making. Or haven't you noticed how the discussion has progressed since you brought it forward? And this is small scale.

im just holding him accountable and will continue to do so....nothing more, nothing less. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

That's not the point. The point is that you're making an issue where previously there was none. By doing so, you're making people take sides needlessly... hence at the end of it, it ends up promoting segregated ideas.

This is partly why I constantly criticize people like Jesse Jackson. For all his good intentions, by constantly playing the race card, he's actually having the opposite effect numerous times.

im not making people take sides, or promoting anything.  im just holding brick accountable.  if he has the right to make statements, then i have the right to call him out and hold him accountable.  if the shoe was on the other foot and i made a comment that people didnt like, i would apologize if my comment offended anyone then explain where i was coming from.  bc brick has too much pride and refuses to do so

Of course you're not "making them do anything", just the same, it's the outcome of it. Which once again, it's the point I'm making. Or haven't you noticed how the discussion has progressed since you brought it forward? And this is small scale.

im just holding him accountable and will continue to do so....nothing more, nothing less. 

Holding him accountable for something you misinterpreted for all intents and purposes.

[dark_lord]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

That's not the point. The point is that you're making an issue where previously there was none. By doing so, you're making people take sides needlessly... hence at the end of it, it ends up promoting segregated ideas.

This is partly why I constantly criticize people like Jesse Jackson. For all his good intentions, by constantly playing the race card, he's actually having the opposite effect numerous times.

im not making people take sides, or promoting anything.  im just holding brick accountable.  if he has the right to make statements, then i have the right to call him out and hold him accountable.  if the shoe was on the other foot and i made a comment that people didnt like, i would apologize if my comment offended anyone then explain where i was coming from.  bc brick has too much pride and refuses to do so

Of course you're not "making them do anything", just the same, it's the outcome of it. Which once again, it's the point I'm making. Or haven't you noticed how the discussion has progressed since you brought it forward? And this is small scale.

im just holding him accountable and will continue to do so....nothing more, nothing less. 

Holding him accountable for something you misinterpreted for all intents and purposes.

not at all....holding him accountable for refusing to accept responsibility for the impact of his comment, regardless of intent. the right thing to do is to apologize if you offend someone, even if accidentally. 

[Redz]

OK gents...I wrote this back on page 3...I think everyone's made their points.  Let's move on please.  You can't squeeze water out of a rock.

Back to whether you feel sorry about Toine or not

I guess it depends on the perception and the intent.  Fried chicken has been used as a stereotype for African American diet.  If it was your intent to make a joke about Antoine being fat, that's fine, but maybe be aware that a  "fried chicken" comment might be perceived by some as a knock on his skin color, not his waist size.

Given your response, let's assume it was the latter and move on with the hopes that you'll have a heightened awareness of the PC level of the comment.

[Brickowski]

Let me make a peace offering.  My comment was intended to offend no one.  It was intended to poke fun at Antoine Walker.  I do not associate fried chicken with black people, and if I did, I would not have made the comment without some sort of disclaimer.

I'm not responsible for how my words are interpreted by the self-appointed PC police. To reiterate, they are the ones who made the racist association, not me.

Perhaps one of you should post a list of foods that are associated in your minds with black people so that we all know what we can't say.

[BballTim]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

ur right, he makes the comment, i call him out on it....and im wrong    how about personal accountability.

That's not the point. The point is that you're making an issue where previously there was none. By doing so, you're making people take sides needlessly... hence at the end of it, it ends up promoting segregated ideas.

This is partly why I constantly criticize people like Jesse Jackson. For all his good intentions, by constantly playing the race card, he's actually having the opposite effect numerous times.

im not making people take sides, or promoting anything.  im just holding brick accountable.  if he has the right to make statements, then i have the right to call him out and hold him accountable.  if the shoe was on the other foot and i made a comment that people didnt like, i would apologize if my comment offended anyone then explain where i was coming from.  but brick has too much pride and refuses to do so

  Holding him accountable for what, saying something that could possibly sound racist even though it clearly wasn't? If you want to hold other people accountable for what they say start with yourself and apologize to him for insinuating that he made a racially stereotypical comment when that wasn't his intent.

[dark_lord]

brick and bball.....arent we supposed to move on from this, per redz' request?!  reading is fundamental.  i could go on and on and with you, but dont feel like being disciplined. 

im done with the both of u, per redz' request. i will let the mods continue to discuss it with the 2 of u from this point on.

[Fafnir]

Well since all the parties seem to want to get in the last word on this issue, I'll get it instead.

This thread is done. If anyone wants to talk about Antoine's unfortunate situation they'll have to start a new thread.