Since 'Toine's broke, should we feel bad?

[NextCeltic34]

We shouldn't feel bad. He earned over 100 million dollars over his career...

[gustusias]

I feel bad. I hated him as a player but it bothers me he is broke. Poor slob. What a waste. He just pigged out on all he did whether it was on or off t he court.I have disdain for abusive people but I cannot deny that I am feeling bad about all this. It just won't go away.

[Greenbean]

I do feel bad because I could see this happenign to me if I got that rich that young, especially the part about supportng 70 people. I am a sucker for friends and family. I mean hell, I am a broke recent college grad right now and I have two friends who owe me around a grand each because they were in a pinch financially and I had extra student loan money. Stupid? Yes.


I have learned though because after I graduated and didnt have any income for a while, I realized that money isn't going to magically appear in my checking account every year. Now when I work for my money, I keep it a lot closer. Toine never learned because he never had to struggle to make a decent living. He got paid huge sums of money for playing a game. It really is too late because he cant make a living any more playing ball. Unfortunately this happens all too much and it is just sad.

[GreenFaith1819]

I feel bad for Antoine and wish the best for him. I say this because I remember the times when him and Paul Pierce were the Dynamic Duo for the C's.

Love him or hate him, he was a Leader for the C's (Remember when the Celtics beat the Pacers and nearly beat the Nets in the playoffs a few years ago?)

He had an unorthodox game, but he was difficult to defend, and played better defense than given credit for. And when he got going he was nearly impossible to stop.

Some folks have what I call a free heart. He must be one of them. If it is true that he is broke, he got that way supporting his family and friends. This is not too bad.

Maybe he could have made better choices. But if he really believed he was helping people then I wish the best for him.

[Kwhit10]

No.

[2short]

We shouldn't feel bad. He earned over 100 million dollars over his career...

100 million dollars for what bill russell termed running around in my underwear
100 million....how many americans are unemployed, underpaid, underfed
antoine should stop gambling and get a job
the gambling part everyone in mass should look at as patrick tries to push for the quick fix of casinos

[TitleMaster]

Here's why I believe the Antoine story is somewhat common for those who'd immediately acquired huge sums of money.

Many people out there are lazy and play up the 'victim' status, in terms of always being behind in car payments, mortgages, CC run ups, etc.

What happens is that in an attempt to be a gentleman, 'Toine gives and gives to the aforementioned crowd but doesn't ask for anything in return except for friendship and some acceptance. Well... here's the problem, many of those clowns deserve neither and end up becoming a lifelong leech. This is the story of 25% of lottery winners.

The secret is simple, ditch the bozos, buy an annuity and spend 20% of the normal earning. During the time, read about the markets (including commodities, futures, currencies) and learn to trade one's own account.

[billysan]

It may very well be that his assets are already tied up. I have no direct knowledge of his situation, but frequently this is the case when chronic gambling and a lavish lifestyle is involved. These folks will sign paperwork to borrow against their assets at the drop of a hat. The other issue that comes to mind is that he will not keep property very long without cash to pay the taxes, especially in a place like Chicago.

I think the party started when Toine was drafted and never stopped until the money ran out. I do pity him and his poor judgement.

[CDawg834]

Here's why I believe the Antoine story is somewhat common for those who'd immediately acquired huge sums of money.

Many people out there are lazy and play up the 'victim' status, in terms of always being behind in car payments, mortgages, CC run ups, etc.

What happens is that in an attempt to be a gentleman, 'Toine gives and gives to the aforementioned crowd but doesn't ask for anything in return except for friendship and some acceptance. Well... here's the problem, many of those clowns deserve neither and end up becoming a lifelong leech. This is the story of 25% of lottery winners.

The secret is simple, ditch the bozos, buy an annuity and spend 20% of the normal earning. During the time, read about the markets (including commodities, futures, currencies) and learn to trade one's own account.

It's true, this does happen a lot.  E! occasionally shows a program about people who hit the lottery jackpot, and their subsequent misfortunes.  In a few of those cases, the big winners (and we're talking Antoine-level $$ or even more) had nothing left 10 years later.  Literally nothing left.  The problem is that a lot of these people had no concept of fiscal responsibilty to begin with (many of the jackpot winners were low-income folk who didn't have any disposable income and shouldn't have been buying lotto tickets anyway).  A $110 million contract doesn't automatically come w/ financial savvy, so it's not totally surprising when that money dries up.  I feel bad for Antoine, he clearly lost all control of it.

[Birdbrain]

Danny Ainge otherwise known as the 'snake' is enjoying this.

If he would have kept 1 dollar for every horrible 3 pt attempt he would have been a rich guy.

[TitleMaster]

The problem is that a lot of these people had no concept of fiscal responsibility to begin with (many of the jackpot winners were low-income folk who didn't have any disposable income and shouldn't have been buying lotto tickets anyway).

Here's the part that I don't understand. After having experienced financial losses, growing up, I was very adamant about having a rainy day fund since I'd turned 24. So for me, whenever I hear these stories, I'm baffled. It's almost as if the concept of poverty, having no options, etc is non-existent for a lotto winner. I mean one doesn't have to live like Scrooge to feel financial secure but at least seeing what's coming in and what's going out is just plain commonsense. And if what's going out is too high, well, isn't it as simple as cutting out the number of times one orders Beluga caviar? Eating an ordinary Rib Eye steak instead of going with the Kobe, every time? I mean really, it doesn't take that much money to live the good life.

[dark_lord]

I didn't realize that fried chicken was so expensive.

Thats out of line any way you try to slice it my friend.

That's actually like the most racist thing I've read on CelticsBlog. I'm not even uptight about that kind of thing...but that wasn't funny or creative, it was just blatantly racist.

co-sign.  pathetic

[Roy Hobbs]

We deleted the original comment, because it was creating unnecessary controversy.  However, to defend Brick's honor, I'm surprised that a lot of Celtics fans haven't heard about Antoine's love for fried chicken.  Much like Wade Boggs, I thought it was common knowledge.

For instance:

Walker's weight was a central issue. Toine had battled leg injuries the previous season and had ballooned to 267 pounds, 22 over his playing weight. He was a fried-chicken fanatic who could down 20 drumsticks doused in hot sauce in one sitting at Harold's Chicken Shack in Chicago

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3756860

Other quotes, from doing a news search:

Walker's love for Harold's Fried Chicken is legendary. When he's home in Chicago, he manages to eat some nearly every day. Time to stop licking those fingers. Walker plays enough basketball already, so that kind of conditioning is not an issue, but it's time to hit the weights, tone the body, make that appointment with the nutritionist. He needs to come back in the best shape of his life - no matter what changes are required.

My last meal? I'm a big fried chicken guy. That would be it. I'd wash it down with a Coke.

After losing both games in his weekend homecoming, hope Walker at least enjoyed his mom's homemade fried chicken and macaroni.

''I'm just a fried chicken guy,'' he said. ''I don't even want anything special.''

By the way, Pierce likes chicken, too (as does most everyone else, outside of the vegetarian sect):

"You just get me an In-N-Out burger and some Popeye's fried chicken and I'm straight."

[dark_lord]

We deleted the original comment, because it was creating unnecessary controversy.  However, to defend Brick's honor, I'm surprised that a lot of Celtics fans haven't heard about Antoine's love for fried chicken.  Much like Wade Boggs, I thought it was common knowledge.

For instance:

Walker's weight was a central issue. Toine had battled leg injuries the previous season and had ballooned to 267 pounds, 22 over his playing weight. He was a fried-chicken fanatic who could down 20 drumsticks doused in hot sauce in one sitting at Harold's Chicken Shack in Chicago

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3756860

Other quotes, from doing a news search:

Walker's love for Harold's Fried Chicken is legendary. When he's home in Chicago, he manages to eat some nearly every day. Time to stop licking those fingers. Walker plays enough basketball already, so that kind of conditioning is not an issue, but it's time to hit the weights, tone the body, make that appointment with the nutritionist. He needs to come back in the best shape of his life - no matter what changes are required.

My last meal? I'm a big fried chicken guy. That would be it. I'd wash it down with a Coke.

After losing both games in his weekend homecoming, hope Walker at least enjoyed his mom's homemade fried chicken and macaroni.

''I'm just a fried chicken guy,'' he said. ''I don't even want anything special.''

By the way, Pierce likes chicken, too (as does most everyone else, outside of the vegetarian sect):

"You just get me an In-N-Out burger and some Popeye's fried chicken and I'm straight."

i am fully aware of toines love for it, but it is in poor taste to say that and not at least preface it by saying he actually loves it.  by making that statement alone, it comes off as extremely ignorant. brick is too smart and not that naive to make that comment and not expect some backlash for it.

[Eja117]

What I find amazing is that if he gets a job doing whatever between that and his nba pension he can make like 100K and it would still take 40 years to pay off 4mill.  Actually much longer because of living expenses and taxes.

So he needs to sign a minimum contract badly or go overseas and if that doesn't work he needs to do radio or a tv show or both or a lot of card shows and hopefully he has a house to sell or can get into coaching or something.

Otherwise he is screwed