Since 'Toine's broke, should we feel bad?

[Eja117]

I didn't realize that fried chicken was so expensive.

Thats out of line any way you try to slice it my friend.

That's actually like the most racist thing I've read on CelticsBlog. I'm not even uptight about that kind of thing...but that wasn't funny or creative, it was just blatantly racist.

co-sign.  pathetic

Quite honestly if I had known the guy liked to eat something I wouldn't feel bad saying it must be expensive. Whereas if I didn't know the guy ate it I wouldn't say it. I wouldn't have said the chicken thing knowing instantly the issue, but I would have been pretty nervous to also say "Filet Mignon must be expensive" because I have no idea if he eats it or not, so why am I saying that? I had no idea what his diet was, but I thought it included junk food. I assumed kind of Burger Kingish.

But especially given the recent cell phone commercials where Yao tells the waiter to get Barkley to eat the head...if Yao went broke I wouldn't have a problem saying "Chinese food must be expensive" cause that's what he eats. I'm pretty sure he doesn't eat Russian food. What I wouldn't say is "Fortune cookies must be expensive" cause he didn't even know what they were before Houston had Fortune Cookie night, and he was like "What are those, and why are you calling them Chinese if they aren't Chinese"

I just think saying what he does or eats is expensive is legit, because he spent all his money on it.

Like "Bentley's must be expensive".  I have no idea if there's some sort of racial connotation about that. I hope there isn't. But he spent his money on it, so I see it as in bounds.

And apparently he spent a lot on chicken too.

It would bother me way more if someone said it to me directly, like "Potatos must be expensive".  But if Big Z goes broke and someone says "Potatos and vodka must be expensive" well then touche.

Or if Scal goes broke and someone says "Beer and pasta must be expensive" well touche. That's what I eat.

The one that bothers me is when people imply I can't eat something different like when I was in a Vietnamese restaurant and I couldn't decide what to have and the waiter was like "You want chicken. Have chicken."  Ok I admit I have the chicken every time I'm in a Chinese restaurant, but dude. I like Bun. Granted maybe the chicken bun, but usually the beef bun.

It just goes to show.  Sticks and stones can break my bones but chicken can never hurt me.

[dark_lord]

I didn't realize that fried chicken was so expensive.

Thats out of line any way you try to slice it my friend.

That's actually like the most racist thing I've read on CelticsBlog. I'm not even uptight about that kind of thing...but that wasn't funny or creative, it was just blatantly racist.

co-sign.  pathetic

Quite honestly if I had known the guy liked to eat something I wouldn't feel bad saying it must be expensive. Whereas if I didn't know the guy ate it I wouldn't say it. I wouldn't have said the chicken thing knowing instantly the issue, but I would have been pretty nervous to also say "Filet Mignon must be expensive" because I have no idea if he eats it or not, so why am I saying that? I had no idea what his diet was, but I thought it included junk food. I assumed kind of Burger Kingish.

But especially given the recent cell phone commercials where Yao tells the waiter to get Barkley to eat the head...if Yao went broke I wouldn't have a problem saying "Chinese food must be expensive" cause that's what he eats. I'm pretty sure he doesn't eat Russian food. What I wouldn't say is "Fortune cookies must be expensive" cause he didn't even know what they were before Houston had Fortune Cookie night, and he was like "What are those, and why are you calling them Chinese if they aren't Chinese"

I just think saying what he does or eats is expensive is legit, because he spent all his money on it.

Like "Bentley's must be expensive".  I have no idea if there's some sort of racial connotation about that. I hope there isn't. But he spent his money on it, so I see it as in bounds.

And apparently he spent a lot on chicken too.

It would bother me way more if someone said it to me directly, like "Potatos must be expensive".  But if Big Z goes broke and someone says "Potatos and vodka must be expensive" well then touche.

Or if Scal goes broke and someone says "Beer and pasta must be expensive" well touche. That's what I eat.

The one that bothers me is when people imply I can't eat something different like when I was in a Vietnamese restaurant and I couldn't decide what to have and the waiter was like "You want chicken. Have chicken."  Ok I admit I have the chicken every time I'm in a Chinese restaurant, but dude. I like Bun. Granted maybe the chicken bun, but usually the beef bun.

It just goes to show.  Sticks and stones can break my bones but chicken can never hurt me.

it can be attempted to be justified, but it was a comment that was in poor taste to make.  as i previously stated, if he had prefaced his comment by saying toine is known to love eating fried chicken, it wouldnt be a big deal.....but he didnt do that.  he made a blanket statement, that many would find to be offensive. 

point blank....it was a poor decision to make that comment and people have the right to call him out on it, the same way he had the right to post the comment.

with your history of poor taste in comments about race an ethnicity on the boards (ur the same guy that said there is no racism in the world today )..... i dont expect much from you on a conversation about diversity.....just ignorance and justification.

[Prof. Clutch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ4B7G8Rw3Q
Whenever I hear that stereotype I can't help but think of this.

[Eja117]

I didn't realize that fried chicken was so expensive.

Thats out of line any way you try to slice it my friend.

That's actually like the most racist thing I've read on CelticsBlog. I'm not even uptight about that kind of thing...but that wasn't funny or creative, it was just blatantly racist.

co-sign.  pathetic

Quite honestly if I had known the guy liked to eat something I wouldn't feel bad saying it must be expensive. Whereas if I didn't know the guy ate it I wouldn't say it. I wouldn't have said the chicken thing knowing instantly the issue, but I would have been pretty nervous to also say "Filet Mignon must be expensive" because I have no idea if he eats it or not, so why am I saying that? I had no idea what his diet was, but I thought it included junk food. I assumed kind of Burger Kingish.

But especially given the recent cell phone commercials where Yao tells the waiter to get Barkley to eat the head...if Yao went broke I wouldn't have a problem saying "Chinese food must be expensive" cause that's what he eats. I'm pretty sure he doesn't eat Russian food. What I wouldn't say is "Fortune cookies must be expensive" cause he didn't even know what they were before Houston had Fortune Cookie night, and he was like "What are those, and why are you calling them Chinese if they aren't Chinese"

I just think saying what he does or eats is expensive is legit, because he spent all his money on it.

Like "Bentley's must be expensive".  I have no idea if there's some sort of racial connotation about that. I hope there isn't. But he spent his money on it, so I see it as in bounds.

And apparently he spent a lot on chicken too.

It would bother me way more if someone said it to me directly, like "Potatos must be expensive".  But if Big Z goes broke and someone says "Potatos and vodka must be expensive" well then touche.

Or if Scal goes broke and someone says "Beer and pasta must be expensive" well touche. That's what I eat.

The one that bothers me is when people imply I can't eat something different like when I was in a Vietnamese restaurant and I couldn't decide what to have and the waiter was like "You want chicken. Have chicken."  Ok I admit I have the chicken every time I'm in a Chinese restaurant, but dude. I like Bun. Granted maybe the chicken bun, but usually the beef bun.

It just goes to show.  Sticks and stones can break my bones but chicken can never hurt me.

it can be attempted to be justified, but it was a comment that was in poor taste to make.  as i previously stated, if he had prefaced his comment by saying toine is known to love eating fried chicken, it wouldnt be a big deal.....but he didnt do that.  he made a blanket statement, that many would find to be offensive. 

point blank....it was a poor decision to make that comment and people have the right to call him out on it, the same way he had the right to post the comment.

with your history of poor taste in comments about race an ethnicity on the boards (ur the same guy that said there is no racism in the world today )..... i dont expect much from you on a conversation about diversity.....just ignorance and justification.

Well yeah, but sometimes people's oversensitivity and insecurity is someone else's ignorance.

In fact I am admitting ignorance, and I'm just getting nervous now that at some point I'm gonna say (or someone else will) something like ...high top shoes must be expensive, or R&B CDs must be expensive or leather jackets suck or helium balloons are better, without prefacing it with "we all know how Walta likes R&B and helium ballons"

and then someone is going to be like "Don't you know how offensive that is in such and such community" and I'm going to be like "No, because I haven't been in that community and mine doesn't get worked up about such and such".

I mean it's like when people get older instead of running to the teacher or mommy with their problems they just run to the media or each other and do the whole "But Tommy said something about chicken!"

At some point don't people have to be like "Yeah, that doesn't really bother me."

I mean I get called ignorant and insenstitive and uncaring and all sorts of things and, you know, it just doesn't bother me. If you start taking positions so one group doesn't have a problem with you then some other group will have a problem with you and just call you the same thing.

Your whole argument just comes down to "The whole world has to think what I think and say things I'm ok with or they're ignorant. Essentially my reference is the correct one and everything else is in relation to that".  It's going to be tough going through life like that. There are infinite other viewpoints equally legitimate.

[Eja117]

I guess we're going to have to have another split to another thread called "Can food comments be racist" or something, which is just...errr..

I'm embarrased for me (and the situation). Didn't think I'd be accused of justifying. Maybe more like qualifying.

Either that or locking the thread like when Roy said it was causing controversy.

[BballTim]

i am fully aware of toines love for it, but it is in poor taste to say that and not at least preface it by saying he actually loves it.  by making that statement alone, it comes off as extremely ignorant. brick is too smart and not that naive to make that comment and not expect some backlash for it.

  No offense, but if you're fully aware that Antoine loves fried chicken then you're fully aware that the fried chicken likely wasn't meant to be racist. Wouldn't pointing out that it wasn't necessarily racist because it was true specifically about Walker be the better way to go than piling on and denouncing the comment? Is accusing someone of making a racial comment when you know it might not be any better than the original comment?

[GreenFaith1819]

We deleted the original comment, because it was creating unnecessary controversy.  However, to defend Brick's honor, I'm surprised that a lot of Celtics fans haven't heard about Antoine's love for fried chicken.  Much like Wade Boggs, I thought it was common knowledge.

For instance:

Walker's weight was a central issue. Toine had battled leg injuries the previous season and had ballooned to 267 pounds, 22 over his playing weight. He was a fried-chicken fanatic who could down 20 drumsticks doused in hot sauce in one sitting at Harold's Chicken Shack in Chicago

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3756860

Other quotes, from doing a news search:

Walker's love for Harold's Fried Chicken is legendary. When he's home in Chicago, he manages to eat some nearly every day. Time to stop licking those fingers. Walker plays enough basketball already, so that kind of conditioning is not an issue, but it's time to hit the weights, tone the body, make that appointment with the nutritionist. He needs to come back in the best shape of his life - no matter what changes are required.

My last meal? I'm a big fried chicken guy. That would be it. I'd wash it down with a Coke.

After losing both games in his weekend homecoming, hope Walker at least enjoyed his mom's homemade fried chicken and macaroni.

''I'm just a fried chicken guy,'' he said. ''I don't even want anything special.''

By the way, Pierce likes chicken, too (as does most everyone else, outside of the vegetarian sect):

"You just get me an In-N-Out burger and some Popeye's fried chicken and I'm straight."

i am fully aware of toines love for it, but it is in poor taste to say that and not at least preface it by saying he actually loves it.  by making that statement alone, it comes off as extremely ignorant. brick is too smart and not that naive to make that comment and not expect some backlash for it.

I love fried chicken, too...over the years I have made a concious effort to not eat so much, though.

I am an African American male, and I have been a casual reader of CelticsBlog for last 3 years. I recently became a member by getting a Login account.

I saw the comment by Brickowski last night and it didn't really strike me until this morning. While I have never met Brick I am sure he is NOT a racist.

We ALL say stuff that may not come out the right way.

The humor in all of this is ever since I became a fan of the Celtics (1981) my high school class mates and even my shipmates (I recently retired from the US Navy after 20 yrs) have wondered why I love the Celtics? They would say "Why don't you like the Lakers?"

Just recently, I talked to one of my shipmates as to why I loved the Celtics. He said that his sister went to college in Massachusetts and a bad experience. He said the ignorant comment of "Boston's Racist." I told him that he could NOT unfairly classify a city as being a certain way.

I told him that there are ignorant people everywhere. No city has the monopoly on a certain behavior.

Maybe one day I'll meet Brickowski. I am certain that he is a decent fellow.

Now that I am retired from the Navy, I look forward to visiting Boston with my Boys (one 11, one 6). I told my oldest (Also a Celtics Fan, gotta raise them right ) that we would go to a C's game for the first time. We will BOTH love that, especially since I will have a little more routine in my life now.

Again, Brickowski: Don't worry about this. You are forgiven.

Now on a lighter note: How about Antoine Walker back to the Celtics?? 

[Eja117]

We deleted the original comment, because it was creating unnecessary controversy.  However, to defend Brick's honor, I'm surprised that a lot of Celtics fans haven't heard about Antoine's love for fried chicken.  Much like Wade Boggs, I thought it was common knowledge.

For instance:

Walker's weight was a central issue. Toine had battled leg injuries the previous season and had ballooned to 267 pounds, 22 over his playing weight. He was a fried-chicken fanatic who could down 20 drumsticks doused in hot sauce in one sitting at Harold's Chicken Shack in Chicago

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3756860

Other quotes, from doing a news search:

Walker's love for Harold's Fried Chicken is legendary. When he's home in Chicago, he manages to eat some nearly every day. Time to stop licking those fingers. Walker plays enough basketball already, so that kind of conditioning is not an issue, but it's time to hit the weights, tone the body, make that appointment with the nutritionist. He needs to come back in the best shape of his life - no matter what changes are required.

My last meal? I'm a big fried chicken guy. That would be it. I'd wash it down with a Coke.

After losing both games in his weekend homecoming, hope Walker at least enjoyed his mom's homemade fried chicken and macaroni.

''I'm just a fried chicken guy,'' he said. ''I don't even want anything special.''

By the way, Pierce likes chicken, too (as does most everyone else, outside of the vegetarian sect):

"You just get me an In-N-Out burger and some Popeye's fried chicken and I'm straight."

i am fully aware of toines love for it, but it is in poor taste to say that and not at least preface it by saying he actually loves it.  by making that statement alone, it comes off as extremely ignorant. brick is too smart and not that naive to make that comment and not expect some backlash for it.

I love fried chicken, too...over the years I have made a concious effort to not eat so much, though.

I am an African American male, and I have been a casual reader of CelticsBlog for last 3 years. I recently became a member by getting a Login account.

I saw the comment by Brickowski last night and it didn't really strike me until this morning. While I have never met Brick I am sure he is NOT a racist.

We ALL say stuff that may not come out the right way.

The humor in all of this is ever since I became a fan of the Celtics (1981) my high school class mates and even my shipmates (I recently retired from the US Navy after 20 yrs) have wondered why I love the Celtics? They would say "Why don't you like the Lakers?"

Just recently, I talked to one of my shipmates as to why I loved the Celtics. He said that his sister went to college in Massachusetts and a bad experience. He said the ignorant comment of "Boston's Racist." I told him that he could NOT unfairly classify a city as being a certain way.

I told him that there are ignorant people everywhere. No city has the monopoly on a certain behavior.

Maybe one day I'll meet Brickowski. I am certain that he is a decent fellow.

Now that I am retired from the Navy, I look forward to visiting Boston with my Boys (one 11, one 6). I told my oldest (Also a Celtics Fan, gotta raise them right ) that we would go to a C's game for the first time. We will BOTH love that, especially since I will have a little more routine in my life now.

Again, Brickowski: Don't worry about this. You are forgiven.

Now on a lighter note: How about Antoine Walker back to the Celtics?? 

Toine back to the Celtics?  Wow. You ARE forgiving! 

[Brickowski]

I've never particularly associated fried chicken with black people.  Everyone eats fried chicken. I imagine it was featured at quite a few restaurants down South where black folks couldn't even get served before passage of the Civil Right Act.

So if that's part of someone's sterotype of black people, it's his problem, not mine.

[dark_lord]

Your whole argument just comes down to "The whole world has to think what I think and say things I'm ok with or they're ignorant. Essentially my reference is the correct one and everything else is in relation to that".  It's going to be tough going through life like that. There are infinite other viewpoints equally legitimate.

not at all.  all im saying is that people should be aware of how the things they say can be interpreted, perceived, and offensive to others.  like i said b4, the same way someone has the right to make a comment, others have the right to call them out on it.

[dark_lord]

I've never particularly associated fried chicken with black people.  Everyone eats fried chicken. I imagine it was featured at quite a few restaurants down South where black folks couldn't even get served before passage of the Civil Right Act.

So if that's part of someone's sterotype of black people, it's his problem, not mine.

really brick......are u that naive that you arent aware that associating fried chicken to a black person is both stereotypical and insensitive?!?!

i think ur aware of it.  i think the appropriate thing to do is just say "my bad" and move on from it.  but you probably have too much pride to do that, since u have yet to do so.

[Brickowski]

I've never particularly associated fried chicken with black people.  Everyone eats fried chicken. I imagine it was featured at quite a few restaurants down South where black folks couldn't even get served before passage of the Civil Right Act.

So if that's part of someone's sterotype of black people, it's his problem, not mine.

really brick......are u that naive that you arent aware that associating fried chicken to a black person is both stereotypical and insensitive?!?!

i think ur aware of it.  i think the appropriate thing to do is just say "my bad" and move on from it.  but you probably have too much pride to do that, since u have yet to do so.

I didn't associate fried chicken with black people. Frankly that would never have occurred to me.  I associated it with Antoine Walker, who ate far too much of it.

[dark_lord]

I've never particularly associated fried chicken with black people.  Everyone eats fried chicken. I imagine it was featured at quite a few restaurants down South where black folks couldn't even get served before passage of the Civil Right Act.

So if that's part of someone's sterotype of black people, it's his problem, not mine.

really brick......are u that naive that you arent aware that associating fried chicken to a black person is both stereotypical and insensitive?!?!

i think ur aware of it.  i think the appropriate thing to do is just say "my bad" and move on from it.  but you probably have too much pride to do that, since u have yet to do so.

I didn't associate fried chicken with black people. Frankly that would never have occurred to me.  I associated it with Antoine Walker, who ate far too much of it.

ok.....but now that you know people interpreted it that way, since u never prefaced it when u made the comment.....dont you think the mature thing to do is just say "my bad"?  its one thing to justify it and refuse responsibility, and its another thing when u accept responsibility, explain, apologize, then move on.  the latter is the mature and appropriate way of handling it.

[dark_lord]

i am fully aware of toines love for it, but it is in poor taste to say that and not at least preface it by saying he actually loves it.  by making that statement alone, it comes off as extremely ignorant. brick is too smart and not that naive to make that comment and not expect some backlash for it.

  No offense, but if you're fully aware that Antoine loves fried chicken then you're fully aware that the fried chicken likely wasn't meant to be racist. Wouldn't pointing out that it wasn't necessarily racist because it was true specifically about Walker be the better way to go than piling on and denouncing the comment? Is accusing someone of making a racial comment when you know it might not be any better than the original comment?

bc i believe brick is smart enough to know the impact of the comment and is not naive.  like i have been saying, all he had to do was preface his comment.....rather than leaving a blanket, stereotypical/ignorant statement, which leaves people to interpret anyway they see fit. 

he claims he wasnt aware of the association and impact of the comment, fine.  but now that he knows how it was interpreted by others, he is refusing to apologize.  he has explained, but refuses to apologize.....which in my book is both rude and insensitive.  the decent thing to do is explain what he meant and apologize if anyone took it the wrong way.  is that really that hard?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would argue dark_lord that what you're doing has more overall damage than anything Brick might've or might have not done.

Not everything has to be about race... people that do make it about it constantly are the ones that keep promoting ideas of segregation/discrimination, even with their good intentions.

At some point, as a society, we have to move past this. If one keeps nitpicking every single thing one says, we're not going to progress in any shape or form.

Intent and what one means have to count for something. That we think the worst of the possible intentions, says quite a bit were we are as a society, let alone how mature we are. Else, we're never going to be a truly united society if we are going take exception to just about every single thing that in the tiniest way might be taken the wrong way.