Is Rasheed Wallace a Hall of Famer?

[moiso]

Good for Sheed for playing on the championship Pistons, but when I look at his entire career, I still see an underachiever.  The guy had the talent to be KG dominant, but that never happened.

You're not KG good with just talent though. KG is a top 5 PF all-time, that takes a certain mental makeup as well.

This is true.  When I look at Sheed, I see a great role player.

[Fafnir]

Good for Sheed for playing on the championship Pistons, but when I look at his entire career, I still see an underachiever.  The guy had the talent to be KG dominant, but that never happened.

You're not KG good with just talent though. KG is a top 5 PF all-time, that takes a certain mental makeup as well.

This is true.  When I look at Sheed, I see a great role player.

I think that is what he is now, but he was certainly a great player for many years. He's just wasn't a HoF at the NBA level, no shame in that.

[moiso]

Good for Sheed for playing on the championship Pistons, but when I look at his entire career, I still see an underachiever.  The guy had the talent to be KG dominant, but that never happened.

You're not KG good with just talent though. KG is a top 5 PF all-time, that takes a certain mental makeup as well.

This is true.  When I look at Sheed, I see a great role player.

I think that is what he is now, but he was certainly a great player for many years. He's just wasn't a HoF at the NBA level, no shame in that.

You say great, I say very good.

[Roy Hobbs]

I mean, for perspective, Rasheed's averages are 15.0 pts / 6.9 reb / 1.4 blk / 47.1%.  He never made the All-NBA team or the All-Defense team.

Those aren't Hall of Fame numbers.

[moiso]

THere's a problem with the HOF anyway. Too much College basis. I do believe in Simmons idea that there needs to be an NBA hall of fame.

And Dennis Rodman needs to be a first balloter. The whole "half of rebounding is who wants it more", Rodman embodied that more than anybody.

Rodman should definitely be a first balloter.  Not just the pure rebounding numbers, and defense in the first part of his career, but that guy helped win a ton of championships.  

[moiso]

I mean, for perspective, Rasheed's averages are 15.0 pts / 6.9 reb / 1.4 blk / 47.1%.  He never made the All-NBA team or the All-Defense team.

Those aren't Hall of Fame numbers.

Yep.  And I always thought he was an absolutely horrible rebounder for someone supposedly so good.  I always thought some of that was laziness.

[Rondo2287]

Very good candidate for the, "Hall of very good."

[Fan from VT]

He'd certainly have a better chance if he were either really good at something quantifiable. Instead, his best asset is his defense and his "all-roundedness."

Here's his all-time rank in a few categories, counting BOTH ABA and NBA players:

Games Played: 90th
Minutes played: 66th
Three Pointers: 55th
Def. Rebounds 40th
Total Rebounds: 94th
Blocks: 37th
BPG: 55th
Steals: 135th
Points: 115th
PPG: 200th
RPG: 154th


Not sure what that says except that he was pretty good at everything, and his best assett (defense) isn't even really quantifiable.

[LB3533]

Antoine has better numbers...

[Bankshot]

No.

[Fafnir]

Antoine has better numbers...

No he doesn't.

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[Brickowski]

He has HOF talent but hasn't quite had a HOF career. If the Celtics win 2-3 more titles with Sheed playing a major role, that perception may change.   

[Redz]

Nope

Is Armon Gilliam a Hall of Famer?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilliar01.html

[the_Bird]

'Sheeds overall career numbers are not great enough to offset the negative perception he's developed in his career, both in Portland and at the end of his Detroit tenure.  It's also not like he was ever the clear-cut best player on any of those Detroit squads; he was the piece they needed for the title, but I don't see his overall contributions as being more important that those of Chauncey or Rip or (at least for the title season) even of Big Ben.  He was a great member of that team, but at least for me, the HOF is for guys that had a singular greatness - players that were just absolutely dominant, at least for a while.  'Sheed has been a great player, but never a guy who took it to the absolute highest level.  You never thought of him as an MVP type.

Even with a couple titles in Boston, I don't think that's enough.  He'll be remembered as a very good player who likely could have been a bit better.

The perception that he quit on Detroit - true or not, justified or not - isn't going to help either.

[indeedproceed]

Nope

Is Armon Gilliam a Hall of Famer?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gilliar01.html

What about terry gilliam?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096764/