Stephen Jackson rumor to Cleveland

[greg_kite]

According to the ESPN there is a rumor that a trade is being discussed between Cleveland and Golden State.  The main pieces are Stephen Jackson and Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

I can't imagine Z playing his last year in GS.  I would picture a buyout and a return to the Cavs. 

The idea of this all playing out frightens me.  I think we're even with or slightly ahead of the Cavs right now.  Getting Jackson would definitely put them over the top.  The only good news is that they would probably beat the Lakers if they beat us.

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

[fairweatherfan]

Good summary here:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-45-36/Marc-Stein--Stephen-Jackson-a-Warrior--for-Now.html

Biggest takeaway point: "It's no secret that the Warriors did make several calls before the season to gauge Captain Jack's value after Jackson's bombshell about wanting to be dealt to the Cavs, Knicks or one of the three Texas teams. But Golden State's talks with Cleveland were "nothing substantive," according to one source."

It also mentions GState would want more than payroll relief for Jax.  Seems like nothing's in the works now.  I don't think we make a move for Jack because frankly he doesn't really want to come here and back guys up, and Danny doesn't want to cripple his cap flexibility and spend what - 16$ mill a year after luxury tax? to bring in a bench guy. 

[RebusRankin]

That would be scary.

[xmuscularghandix]

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

Because any GM that would accept Scal and TA for Big Z should be blacklisted from the league. Just becuase they're expirings doesn't mean they'll just do it, they could look at Z as an asset AND a contract.

[lon3lytoaster]

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

Because any GM that would accept Scal and TA for Big Z should be blacklisted from the league. Just becuase they're expirings doesn't mean they'll just do it, they could look at Z as an asset AND a contract.

Probably not, though. If this scenario happened with Cleveland and Golden State Illgauskas would probably be bought out or waived and head back to Cleveland for the year then retire.

If the Celtics and Cleveland were battling to aquire Jackson it'd come down to who Chris Mullin wants to see with a better chance of winning a championship.

[KCattheStripe]

More likely though though, when the Marion experiment fails in Dallas they trade him for Captain jack and the Mavs become a legit title contender.

[xmuscularghandix]

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

Because any GM that would accept Scal and TA for Big Z should be blacklisted from the league. Just becuase they're expirings doesn't mean they'll just do it, they could look at Z as an asset AND a contract.

Probably not, though. If this scenario happened with Cleveland and Golden State Illgauskas would probably be bought out or waived and head back to Cleveland for the year then retire.

If the Celtics and Cleveland were battling to aquire Jackson it'd come down to who Chris Mullin wants to see with a better chance of winning a championship.

Why would Golden State do that? They have good players on their team and Big Z could really help them, i'm not buying them trading a servicable players for JUST cap room next year.

[CelticG1]

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

Because any GM that would accept Scal and TA for Big Z should be blacklisted from the league. Just becuase they're expirings doesn't mean they'll just do it, they could look at Z as an asset AND a contract.

Probably not, though. If this scenario happened with Cleveland and Golden State Illgauskas would probably be bought out or waived and head back to Cleveland for the year then retire.

If the Celtics and Cleveland were battling to aquire Jackson it'd come down to who Chris Mullin wants to see with a better chance of winning a championship.

Why would Golden State do that? They have good players on their team and Big Z could really help them, i'm not buying them trading a servicable players for JUST cap room next year.

Big Z only appears good because he plays with Lebron. He would not help the Warriors out at all even if he avoids injury

[lon3lytoaster]

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

Because any GM that would accept Scal and TA for Big Z should be blacklisted from the league. Just becuase they're expirings doesn't mean they'll just do it, they could look at Z as an asset AND a contract.

Probably not, though. If this scenario happened with Cleveland and Golden State Illgauskas would probably be bought out or waived and head back to Cleveland for the year then retire.

If the Celtics and Cleveland were battling to aquire Jackson it'd come down to who Chris Mullin wants to see with a better chance of winning a championship.

Why would Golden State do that? They have good players on their team and Big Z could really help them, i'm not buying them trading a servicable players for JUST cap room next year.

Yea, they could swap him for another player, but it's the Warriors. I don't think they're interested in aquiring long term contracts, or anything longer than a year or two. Plus.. It's the Warriors. Think about it, the Warriors and Ilgauskas.

[PosImpos]

This would suck....

[Rondo_is_better]

Big Z only appears good because he plays with Lebron. He would not help the Warriors out at all even if he avoids injury

TP for stating fact.

[Eja117]

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

Because any GM that would accept Scal and TA for Big Z should be blacklisted from the league. Just becuase they're expirings doesn't mean they'll just do it, they could look at Z as an asset AND a contract.

Probably not, though. If this scenario happened with Cleveland and Golden State Illgauskas would probably be bought out or waived and head back to Cleveland for the year then retire.

If the Celtics and Cleveland were battling to aquire Jackson it'd come down to who Chris Mullin wants to see with a better chance of winning a championship.

Why would Golden State do that? They have good players on their team and Big Z could really help them, i'm not buying them trading a servicable players for JUST cap room next year.

Big Z only appears good because he plays with Lebron. He would not help the Warriors out at all even if he avoids injury

Wasn't he an all-star before Lebron and can't that game be played with lots of players? Andrew Bynum only appears good cause he plays with Kobe?

[bdm860]

If GS would take on Z's expiring contract, why not offer Tony and Scal before Cleveland gets him?  He would fill a huge void as a big backup wing.

Because any GM that would accept Scal and TA for Big Z should be blacklisted from the league. Just becuase they're expirings doesn't mean they'll just do it, they could look at Z as an asset AND a contract.

Probably not, though. If this scenario happened with Cleveland and Golden State Illgauskas would probably be bought out or waived and head back to Cleveland for the year then retire.

If the Celtics and Cleveland were battling to aquire Jackson it'd come down to who Chris Mullin wants to see with a better chance of winning a championship.

Why would Golden State do that? They have good players on their team and Big Z could really help them, i'm not buying them trading a servicable players for JUST cap room next year.

Big Z only appears good because he plays with Lebron. He would not help the Warriors out at all even if he avoids injury

Wasn't he an all-star before Lebron and can't that game be played with lots of players? Andrew Bynum only appears good cause he plays with Kobe?

But let's not forget the style GS plays, run and gun; shoot first, second, and third, and then maybe pass fourth if they haven't already shot yet.

The only way Z will work in Nellie Ball is if Nellie has him sit at the 3 point line shooting 3's ala Manute Bol.

I can't see one of the slowest guys in the league fitting in out there.

[Rondo_is_better]

"Wasn't he an all-star before Lebron and can't that game be played with lots of players? Andrew Bynum only appears good cause he plays with Kobe?"
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He was an all-star twice, '03 and '05, and he was 30 in '05. He's now 34 with chronically bad ankles and a long record of injuries, meaning his decline from '05 has been more precipitous than it would be for any average big man.

He was slow to begin with--now he's REALLY slow and going into his 12th season.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/zydrunas_ilgauskas/career_stats.html

[PosImpos]

Big Z is a serviceable center but not for a squad like GSW - Nellie rarely plays traditional centers anyway and their run and gun offense wouldn't take advantage of a slow guy.

Oklahoma City could really use Big Z...not that they have anything to trade for him.

This rumor just worries me because the LeBrons would be pretty tough to beat with Stephen Jackson at SG - a pretty large step up from Delonte.