Marquis Daniels Is Not All That

[celticinorlando]

it is the first game of the preseason

[CelticG1]

I don't like Marquis at the point either.  Yes, he's a bargain, but he's a wing player.

For the 257th time, they need another point guard.

I know you very badly want a back up pg but who do you really think would be good? I can't think of anyone that would be worth signing for or trading for at this moment at all. If we sign some crap PG they probably won't even see the floor much anyway. I'm sure eddie would continue to bring the ball up the floor, or Marquis, Pierce or Ray. If Rondo gets injured I know it would be a much bigger concern but as of now I don't think we would just hand the keys over to some back up pg. When  Jameer Nelson got injured the Magic didn't just let their back up PG start games. They knew they actually needed to go out there and trade for a legit PG. I mean, when we were playing the Magic last year they had 2 back up pg's (johnson, and Lue) and even they got very spot minutes and Turkulug (?) brought the ball up much of the time. I just don't see the point in filling this position right now, when the past two years we have been absolutely fine. If there was  great option out there  I would probably take it but there really isn't. I would rather address our needs later in the season, based on our needs then, rather than filling that position now.

[Brickowski]

Well, it depends on what might be available and how much it will cost.  If Rondo goes down mid season, a competent backup will cost alot more, since teams will know that the Celtics are desperate. Also, how long will it take for a midseason replacement to learn the offense?

I would give up BBD for the right player, such as Steve Blake.  I'm a big BBD fan, but he is a luxury, not a necessity.

[bucknersrevenge]

Well, it depends on what might be available and how much it will cost.  If Rondo goes down mid season, a competent backup will cost alot more, since teams will know that the Celtics are desperate. Also, how long will it take for a midseason replacement to learn the offense?

I would give up BBD for the right player, such as Steve Blake.  I'm a big BBD fan, but he is a luxury, not a necessity.

not that this doesn't make some sense cuz it does but any pg we could sign now or could've signed this offseason, how much better a player are they really? of course you want rondo insurance but no matter who it would be, we'd still be screwed if rondo went down. i doubt cleveland is running around looking for lebron james insurance. it just doesn't exist. not to compare rondo to lbj but rondo's impact at both ends is arguably just as significant to this team.

[dark_lord]

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[Rondo_is_better]

I still don't like Marquis at the point. He also is not a fair shooter from outside, he downright stinks, like disgustingly so. His career shows he is injury prone. Why he is praised so much for defense also bewilders me. I hate to be the foreteller of doom, but the Celtics signed a good player who can't shoot well, more than likely will get hurt during the year, and is really a disadvantaged pg and a fair sub for Pierce. They can yak, yak all they want. I will not be bought.

Its the first game of the preseason. He took two outside shots, total. The first airballed (which is bad), and the second was forced up because of the clock.

He also won player of the game and led the team in assists.

He was fine. 

[CelticG1]

Well, it depends on what might be available and how much it will cost.  If Rondo goes down mid season, a competent backup will cost alot more, since teams will know that the Celtics are desperate. Also, how long will it take for a midseason replacement to learn the offense?

I would give up BBD for the right player, such as Steve Blake.  I'm a big BBD fan, but he is a luxury, not a necessity.

Well the Magic were pretty desperate when Jameer went down last year and they got Raefer for guys I can't even remember now. If Rondo did happen to get injured or if the need for a back up PG was more glaring during mid season we would still have some expiring contracts and Baby (I don't want to trade him but you'd be willing) to offer teams. You think a trade for steve Blake would be available now but not mid season?

Also I think BBD isn't exactly a luxury. KG is older, coming off an injured season/surgery and we are trying to limit his minutes. Rasheed is also coming off an injured season and is 35 years old. If one of those guys goes down BBD role becomes dramatically different. Obviously if Rondo went down we would be much more affected due to our depth but at least he is in phenomenal shape and can play very high minutes.

[gpap]

I still don't like Marquis at the point. He also is not a fair shooter from outside, he downright stinks, like disgustingly so. His career shows he is injury prone. Why he is praised so much for defense also bewilders me. I hate to be the foreteller of doom, but the Celtics signed a good player who can't shoot well, more than likely will get hurt during the year, and is really a disadvantaged pg and a fair sub for Pierce. They can yak, yak all they want. I will not be bought.

Wow you can figure all that out by watching just one preseason game huh? I suppose by the third preseason game you'll be able to figure out who's going to win the NBA finals this year.  And for the record, I like Marquis Daniels and think he's an excellent player.

[xmuscularghandix]

it is the first game of the preseason

and he played better than anyone in the first game of the preseason, this thread in nuts.

[gpap]

it is the first game of the preseason

and he played better than anyone in the first game of the preseason, this thread in nuts.

Couldn't agree more.

[j804]

LOL at the OP knitpicking Marquis apart after 1 preseason game. When he looked prob the best out there on our squad. Wow.

Welcome to CelticsBlog

LOL Havent seen many of these threads around, this ones definitely out of pocket.

[HomeRunBaker]

Well, it depends on what might be available and how much it will cost.  If Rondo goes down mid season, a competent backup will cost alot more, since teams will know that the Celtics are desperate.

If Rondo goes down at mid-season we won't need a backup.....we will need a starter.

I would give up BBD for the right player, such as Steve Blake.  I'm a big BBD fan, but he is a luxury, not a necessity.

Steve Blake is currently the starting PG on a World Championship contender......he isn't being traded for BBD or anyone else for that matter.  Any backup PG available will not be a very good NBA player.....which is why Ainge jumped at the chance to add Daniels to the rotation.

God pity us if Rondo gets hurt

The Orlando Magic lost Jameer Nelson who was in the middle of an All-Star season and they didn't miss a beat when they replaced him with journeyman Rafer Alston.  When Alston was suspended for a playoff game they replaced him with 53-year old journeyman backup Anthony Johnson and won in a blowout. 

The point guard is not vital to a teams success in todays game under the current rules.

[Fafnir]

Well, it depends on what might be available and how much it will cost.  If Rondo goes down mid season, a competent backup will cost alot more, since teams will know that the Celtics are desperate.

If Rondo goes down at mid-season we won't need a backup.....we will need a starter.

I would give up BBD for the right player, such as Steve Blake.  I'm a big BBD fan, but he is a luxury, not a necessity.

Steve Blake is currently the starting PG on a World Championship contender......he isn't being traded for BBD or anyone else for that matter.  Any backup PG available will not be a very good NBA player.....which is why Ainge jumped at the chance to add Daniels to the rotation.

He's the starter, but they paid Andrew Miller an awful lot of money. Both do play PG, and Miller seems to be confused as he was told he was to be the starter.

Also I wouldn't call Portland a championship contender just yet. They'll need to do more than take the Rockets to 7....

[TradeProposalDude]

I have a theory. Good players in the preseason don't look as good as they normally would in the regular season, while bad players tend to look unusually good. I'm certain there are cases that do not match my description, don't get me wrong.

I wouldn't judge Daniels based on preseason action. He's been in the league for a few years now, and has played for winners. He is a decent basketball player. I think his role will be clearer when we get to see him perform in the regular season.

[lon3lytoaster]

Point guards aren't vital in Doc's offense. They pretty much just have to be able to bring the ball up the court.

I'm still not a believer in Marquis, though and another PG that can hit a three and some free throws would be ideal.