Marquis Daniels Is Not All That

[gustusias]

I had decided on Daniels the day we traded for him. Not only does he shoot extremely poor from three, he also isn't even an average shooter from two-point land. Supposedly a great defender, I do not concur. Look for yourselves. He is a good ballhawk, a Jason Kidd type, not what I would call a lockdown defender, ala RON ARTEST. Lastly, take a good look at him because the reason we needed a point guard was that Eddie House was not good enough. The main reason had to do with the difficulty he had bringing the ball up under playoff pressure. Marquis Daniels can do this better, I ask? And yes, for PP's sake and Ray Allen's, I do wish he was more durable.

[Roy Hobbs]

I had decided on Daniels the day we traded for him. Not only does he shoot extremely poor from three, he also isn't even an average shooter from two-point land. Supposedly a great defender, I do not concur. Look for yourselves. He is a good ballhawk, a Jason Kidd type, not what I would call a lockdown defender, ala RON ARTEST. Lastly, take a good look at him because the reason we needed a point guard was that Eddie House was not good enough. The main reason had to do with the difficulty he had bringing the ball up under playoff pressure. Marquis Daniels can do this better, I ask? And yes, for PP's sake and Ray Allen's, I do wish he was more durable.

He's not a great jump shooter.  However, 40% of his shots are from inside, and he hits 62% of those.  Those are very good penetration numbers.

[Greenbean]

Marquis is a very effective and efficient scorer who doesn't need an outside shot with the other shooters he will have around him. He was great at both getting to and finishing around the rim last night. He is very smooth with the ball and can handle PG duties if called upon. He has above average instincts and made some heady passes last night. He can match up with alot of 3's and most 2's. Eddie can guard PGs. The scenrio you referenced was when Brooks came in the game who is one of the fastest PGs in the league. Rondo might be one of a handful of players who could contain him with no help (see 18ppg against the Lakers last year for Brooks).

It is really easy to pick apart someone's game and find all the flaws. We are not paying this guy much and he will contribute for us in a backup role. What you are asking for is unreasonable in that role.

Oh yeah and Quis can be Pierce's backup. He is like Tony Allen except with a complete understanding how to maximize his abilities and hide his shortcomings.

I mean come one, are you asking for Lebron James to be our backup wing/sf?

[Prof. Clutch]

I was very impressed with Marquis last night.  He showed good court vision, moved the ball well, dribbled and penetrated effectively, and had this herky jerky style of offense (that actually reminded me of Al Jefferson in many ways) that made it difficult for the defense to anticipate him.  Overall, him and Eddie looked good out there together.

The thing I will say is that he doesn't appear to be a big or powerful guy.  I was surprised by how thin he was and physically he kind of looked like a shorter, more coordinated Mikki Moore to me.  I can't imagine him trying to guard a guy like Lebron (though there aren't many people in the league who can guard Lebron.)  I don't see him being able to match up with big or powerful 3's which will put more of the emphasis on Paul to step up.  That, however isn't a big deal to me.  The team looks very solid to me.

[Greenbean]

I had decided on Daniels the day we traded for him. Not only does he shoot extremely poor from three, he also isn't even an average shooter from two-point land. Supposedly a great defender, I do not concur. Look for yourselves. He is a good ballhawk, a Jason Kidd type, not what I would call a lockdown defender, ala RON ARTEST. Lastly, take a good look at him because the reason we needed a point guard was that Eddie House was not good enough. The main reason had to do with the difficulty he had bringing the ball up under playoff pressure. Marquis Daniels can do this better, I ask? And yes, for PP's sake and Ray Allen's, I do wish he was more durable.

First, I dont think he has been touted as a great defender. He certainly is above average...especially if you are comparing him to J-Kidd who was a good defender in his day.

Second, we won a championship WITH Eddie as the backup PG and DESPITE using Sam Cassel for the first couple of rounds as the backup. Marquis can handle the ball and aleviate pressure if teams decide to press Eddie.

Lastly, you keep pointing out his flaws but you are completely ignoring what he brings to the team. You dont think he will be at all valuable to this club? Remeber, he is not replacing anyone. He is an addition.

**Noted about his durability but there ar.e health concerns with alot of players on this team

[nickagneta]

Marquis Daniels....the Kevin Youkilis of the Boston Celtics. Very good. Very versatile. Never appreciated.

[Tai]

This reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk

TP. Thanks for this. : )

[Prof. Clutch]

This reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk

TP. Thanks for this. : )

You're welcome.   TP right back at you Tai.

[dark_lord]

This reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk

TP. Thanks for this. : )

You're welcome.   TP right back at you Tai.

that vid was so freakin funny...and true!

[MaineBleedsGreen]

I had decided on Daniels the day we traded for him. Not only does he shoot extremely poor from three, he also isn't even an average shooter from two-point land. Supposedly a great defender, I do not concur. Look for yourselves. He is a good ballhawk, a Jason Kidd type, not what I would call a lockdown defender, ala RON ARTEST. Lastly, take a good look at him because the reason we needed a point guard was that Eddie House was not good enough. The main reason had to do with the difficulty he had bringing the ball up under playoff pressure. Marquis Daniels can do this better, I ask? And yes, for PP's sake and Ray Allen's, I do wish he was more durable.

First, I dont think he has been touted as a great defender. He certainly is above average...especially if you are comparing him to J-Kidd who was a good defender in his day.

Second, we won a championship WITH Eddie as the backup PG and DESPITE using Sam Cassel for the first couple of rounds as the backup. Marquis can handle the ball and aleviate pressure if teams decide to press Eddie.

Lastly, you keep pointing out his flaws but you are completely ignoring what he brings to the team. You dont think he will be at all valuable to this club? Remeber, he is not replacing anyone. He is an addition.

**Noted about his durability but there ar.e health concerns with alot of players on this team

good points. ... there are alot of players not just on this team, but in the league, that have health concerns ... injuries can happen to anyone, anytime. I prefer not to be a doomseer and say because he's been hurt in the past he'll be hurt in the future.

[crownsy]

I had decided on Daniels the day we traded for him. Not only does he shoot extremely poor from three, he also isn't even an average shooter from two-point land. Supposedly a great defender, I do not concur. Look for yourselves. He is a good ballhawk, a Jason Kidd type, not what I would call a lockdown defender, ala RON ARTEST. Lastly, take a good look at him because the reason we needed a point guard was that Eddie House was not good enough. The main reason had to do with the difficulty he had bringing the ball up under playoff pressure. Marquis Daniels can do this better, I ask? And yes, for PP's sake and Ray Allen's, I do wish he was more durable.

So your concerns are that he's not a three point shooter, and his defense isn't the caliber off RON freaking ARTEST of the bench?

If he shot a mean three ball, and played all star cailber defense, we wouldn't have been able to sign him. He's a bench player, not an impact starter.

I think it's a little unrealistic to think that a bench sub needs to be as good as one of the leagues premier defenders to be useful to his squad.

 What teams outside of the rockets and hornets bring an all world defensive  wing defender off the bench on their second unit?

I'll wait.

Daniels is fine. He is exactly what we need as a 8th man and go to 2/3 off the bench.

He drives well, passes well, and defends well. His three point shooting is a non-issue, not every 2/3 needs to be a sniper from deep.

As brick pointed out, he will typically have eddie house, sheed, and either paul or ray in with him during his rotation. The "every team will play off him and stack the paint" concern will get teams killed by our bench shooting behind the arc if they try that.

Lastly, the "we need a really good back up point gaurd" line is tired. How many times must we have a good season without our 6th man being a pure passing PG to prove it?



His job is to drive and create against second units, something he showed himself more than capable of last night.

[Atzar]

I had decided on Daniels the day we traded for him. Not only does he shoot extremely poor from three, he also isn't even an average shooter from two-point land. Supposedly a great defender, I do not concur. Look for yourselves. He is a good ballhawk, a Jason Kidd type, not what I would call a lockdown defender, ala RON ARTEST. Lastly, take a good look at him because the reason we needed a point guard was that Eddie House was not good enough. The main reason had to do with the difficulty he had bringing the ball up under playoff pressure. Marquis Daniels can do this better, I ask? And yes, for PP's sake and Ray Allen's, I do wish he was more durable.

So your concerns are that he's not a three point shooter, and his defense isn't the caliber of RON freaking ARTEST of the bench?

If he shot a mean three ball, and played all star cailber defense, we wouldn't have been able to sign him. He's a bench player, not an impact starter.

I think it's a little unrealistic to think that a bench sub needs to be as good as one of the leagues premier defenders to be useful to his squad.

 What teams outside of the rockets and hornets bring an all world defensive  wing defender off the bench on their second unit?

I'll wait.

Daniels is fine. He is exactly what we need as a 8th man and go to 2/3 off the bench.

He drives well, passes well, and defends well. His three point shooting is a non-issue, not every 2/3 needs to be a sniper from deep.

As brick pointed out, he will typically have eddie house, sheed, and either paul or ray in with him during his rotation. The "every team will play off him and stack the paint" concern will get teams killed by our bench shooting behind the arc if they try that.

His job is to drive and create against second units, something he showed himself more than capable of last night.

Hahahaha.  TP, both for the post and the joke.

[Prof. Clutch]

This reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk

TP. Thanks for this. : )

You're welcome.   TP right back at you Tai.

that vid was so freakin funny...and true!

Thanks DL.  Great to see you again.  I've been away from the blog for a while.  Good to be back.

[Tai]

God pity us if Rondo gets hurt, and let us not forget that we still have no substitute for Pierce. (Scal is iffy sice he suffers concussions and cannot guard quicker 3s.) Yes I am pessimistic about Daniels. He has never played a full season in his life. He IS NOT a point guard. He plays like a point guard and to boot, he is one of the worst outside shooters in the league. Do I have to write that again? Wait till the playoffs and teams begin to tighten up the pressure on him FULL COURT and to double team off of his man in the half court. Kobe Bryant will pick him up full court and eat him alive with pressure. So won't Derek Fisher even at his age. Mo Williams, or Orlando's pg,  Jammeer Nelson. In the half court he will be standing there with the ball wide open on the wing and all of us will be praying don't shoot don't shoot. Rondo loooks like Larry Bird next to Daniels. Yes, let us all wait till the playoffs when the real basketball begins to be played, if he is healthy enough  by then.

All Ainge had to do was the most simple thing of all. Sign a decent backup point and small forward. Moon and Barnes were available at sf. There were a slew of points available and he went after no one. I hope I am wrong but I still feel we have a hole at backup point, small forward, and shooting guard, even though one person, the imcomparahble master of all trades, Marquis Daniels, is supposed to have filled all 3 of those holes at once. The chances are very strong that he probably will be injured and out of the lineup by the time playoffs roll around, yet what difference does that make! I suppose from his bed,, Danny and Doc think, he'll fill all 3 of those positions, even at the same moment.

If you were a new account, I'd almost think you weren't a Celtic fan, but more like one of those people who pretend to be fans when they really just want to rile up people. If you want an example of the kind of person I mean, go to the ESPN.com forums, go to the Celtics forum, and find "TheMethodicalPoster"'s topic about the preseason game.

You say Rondo looks like Larry Bird next to Daniels. Rondo didn't look like that in the preseason game according to the stats or according to people who saw the game. Meanwhile, people think Daniels did pretty well out there as a backup PG, and his stat line looked good as well, with 7 points and 5 assists. But hey, I'm sure many people, including me, would agree that Rondo is much better than Daniels. At the same time, you're badgering Daniels in preseason even though he's actually done well so far.

Wait till postseason, if he's healthy? You almost make it sound like what he does in the regular season won't matter. And you're already bringing up the possibility he'll be out of the playoffs? It's almost like you're preparing for him to fail before he gets the chance to. I just hope you're more optimistic about KG as far as injury.

But ok, you overall don't like Daniels. I'll give you this; he does have to prove he can be consistent throughout the season, or what he did last night, good or bad, won't matter as much.

Still, let's look at what I bolded...what do you mean "most simple thing of all"? Even getting Daniels, like him or not, wasn't easy to get because Larry Bird apparently didn't want TA, so the Celtics couldn't give Daniels more money and years in a sign and trade. Oh, and you said Daniels was traded in another post; that was the plan, but because of what I just said, Daniels ultimately had to be signed at the LLE/bi-annual exception/whatever you wanna call it.

Hey, you've heard of Grant Hill, right? Yeah, some 37 year old guy who played 82 games last year, so he's definitely YOUR type of guy; healthy (or healthier) and then some. Well, sometime after the Celtics were able to acquire Rasheed Wallace, they tried to get Grant Hill; Doc went to talk with him and everything. The Knicks also wanted him, but in the end Hill stayed in Phoenix. Oh well. I dunno how you feel about him, but they did go after him.

Oh yeah! Moon! I'm not sure if the Celtics needed a sign and trade that also panned out or had to sign Moon outright but didn't have the money for him, but if you were actually hanging around here this off-season, you'd know the Celtics DID go after Moon. But, for one reason or another, that didn't happen. Here, a link: http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/7/11/945944/celtics-targeting-jamario-moon

And Bowen! Yeah! The Celtics even went after Bruce Bowen! You know, that stingy defender people think is dirty? But, supposedly Bowen wanted to retire instead: http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/8/18/993230/bruce-bowen-turns-down-the-celtics Again, I don't know how you feel about Bowen, but the Celtics went after him.

So, the Celtics went after Hill, Moon, and Bowen at some point in the off-season, and for one reason or another, it didn't happen. So, the Celtics had to settle for Wallace, Daniels, resigning BBD, and getting Sheldon Williams. But yeah, you thought it was all easy and everything, correct? I can only imagine that SFs like Udoka and Barnes were considered, but also never panned out.

So again, Daniels was the best Ainge could get to backup Pierce, and it was all because Daniels basically said that even if he couldn't get more money and years with a sign and trade, he'd take the LLE/bi-annual if he had to. So, a pretty good player AND he was willing to take a paycut to be on a team that could contend for the championship.

If you don't like Daniels, fine, cause he still has all season to prove himself. Still, your rant about Ainge not trying makes it sounds like you've been out of the loop, and you look plain clueless.

[xmuscularghandix]

This reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXStPqhLmIk

TP. Thanks for this. : )

You're welcome.   TP right back at you Tai.

that vid was so freakin funny...and true!

Thanks DL.  Great to see you again.  I've been away from the blog for a while.  Good to be back.

this video hits the nail right on the head.