Lucky17's Yahoo! FBB Points League: 2011-12 season: Draft Monday, Oct 24, noon

[celtsrp33]

Looking to move 2 or 3 players for one.  Prefer a F or C.  Willing to include Pierce and/or pretty much anyone but K Love. 

[Lucky17]

Just waiting on three more GMs to sign into the league: The Walker Wiggle, Bball Tim, and RebusRankin.

I've sent PMs. I know about WW, and Bball Tim is pretty scarce around here, so that would explain the delay.

Anyone know what Rebus is up to? Team in the other league too. Wonder if I need to find a replacement GM.

[hpantazo]

Just waiting on three more GMs to sign into the league: The Walker Wiggle, Bball Tim, and RebusRankin.

I've sent PMs. I know about WW, and Bball Tim is pretty scarce around here, so that would explain the delay.

Anyone know what Rebus is up to? Team in the other league too. Wonder if I need to find a replacement GM.

I'll take his team in the other league if he doesn't show up.

[Edgar]

1) Mike Bibby
2) J.J. Redick
3) Kyle Korver
4) Stephen Jackson
5) Shawn Marion
6) Leon Powe
7) Glen Davis
Emeka Okafor
9) Brendan Haywood
10) Blake Griffin
11) Evan Turner
12) Jermaine O'Neal


For now, 12 locked roster spots
will entretain offers for rest



Matt Bonner
Devean George
Jarvis Hayes
Louis Amundson
Marcus Banks
Elliott Williams ( most likely keep him)

[Gainesville Celtic]

Just waiting on three more GMs to sign into the league: The Walker Wiggle, Bball Tim, and RebusRankin.

I've sent PMs. I know about WW, and Bball Tim is pretty scarce around here, so that would explain the delay.

Anyone know what Rebus is up to? Team in the other league too. Wonder if I need to find a replacement GM.

I sent him a trade offer a while ago but haven't heard back.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Lucky & other GMs ......

last year there was much discussion on what to do about teams tanking (esp. in the points league). I tried to find the original suggestion but the msg. board only goes back so far. here's a recap of that suggestion though from a late season post i made:

Following up on Lucky17's post in the H2H league.....An inexhaustive list of players who sat on the bench last night:

Jrue Holiday
Jermaine O'Neal
Stephen Jackson
Steve Blake
Beno Udrih
Tyreke Evans
Will Bynum
DeJaun Blair

Most if not all these teams have positions where they are on pace to be at least -30 games under the 82 game limit. That plus guys like this on the bench is inexcuseable this late in the season. And a quick scan shows that some have been on the bench a while.

I think we really need to have a penalty for tanking next year -- I like the aforementioned 1 draft spot penalty for 50 games under the limit, + 1 more for every 10 after that.

I can live with teams scoring low b/c they don't have the talent but leaving guys on the bench isn't cool IMO.

While I don't want to make extra work for our gracious GM, i think it would be easy enough for us to tabulate.

This isn't foolproof, someone could play a bunch of scrubs, but I remember being fairly annoyed toward the end of last season; so i'd be in favor of trying SOMETHING to reward GMs whose teams are bad but who are still working to improve throughout the year.

[Lucky17]

A trade to announce:

Lucky17 sends Rudy Fernandez and 2nd rounder
Gainesville Celtic sends Arron Afflalo

[Lucky17]

Another trade to announce:

hpantazo trades Zach Randolph, JR Smith, and Richard Jefferson
MakeMeSomeBacon trades Paul Pierce, Ersan Ilyasova, and Jamario Moon

Rosters updated shortly.

[celtsrp33]

Another trade to announce:

hpantazo trades Zach Randolph, JR Smith, and Richard Jefferson
MakeMeSomeBacon trades Paul Pierce, Ersan Ilyasova, and Jamario Moon

Rosters updated shortly.

So, let's hear some feedback.  What do you guys think of this one?

[Lucky17]

I think it's pretty close.

Randolph produces big numbers, and has C eligibility, I think. That's big. At the same time, he's volatile in terms of off-court extracurricular activities that could get him suspended.

Jefferson has to improve from last year, doesn't he? Smith is like Randolph, talented but volatile. If Denver is looking to dump him, his value could change dramatically.

Pierce is still producing, although not at the level he once did. Ilyasova is up-and-coming, although will Drew Gooden eat into his court time this season? Moon is starting in Cleveland, but not sure what his fantasy impact will be.

Maybe slight edge to Bacon, but that could swing the other way if Randolph and/or Smith run afoul of their teams/league office.

[hpantazo]

I think it's pretty close.

Randolph produces big numbers, and has C eligibility, I think. That's big. At the same time, he's volatile in terms of off-court extracurricular activities that could get him suspended.

Jefferson has to improve from last year, doesn't he? Smith is like Randolph, talented but volatile. If Denver is looking to dump him, his value could change dramatically.

Pierce is still producing, although not at the level he once did. Ilyasova is up-and-coming, although will Drew Gooden eat into his court time this season? Moon is starting in Cleveland, but not sure what his fantasy impact will be.

Maybe slight edge to Bacon, but that could swing the other way if Randolph and/or Smith run afoul of their teams/league office.

I think that's a pretty good analysis. I may be hurt again by my achilles heal in fantasy bball, Paul Pierce, but I got him for sentimental reasons. He has declined, but should have a good 2-3 years left. Ilyasova however was a huge part of the deal for me, I believe he will be a great player and I think he will play a lot this year, Drew Gooden sucks, that signing makes no sense to me. Moon should also get a chance to put up numbers in cleveland. On the other side, Randolph is a proven fantasy performer, but he has hit his ceiling. JR Smith could go either way, and Jefferson is done, put a fork in him.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Don't agree with all your assessments Hpantazo, but I'll give you TPs from now till the cows come home for your conviction. That's what our league needs!!

[Gainesville Celtic]

Perhaps the better place for this is on the Yahoo board once we get loaded up there -- esp. since some other GMs aren't on here.

re: TANKING -- i believe someone suggested (maybe for the h2h league) that there be either a lottery for the bottom, say, 10 teams.

just a thought. i think especially in the points league there should be some sort of disincentive for teams to just let their rosters rot.

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I'm also looking to make 1 move where i give 2, get 1 player /or/ give 3 get 2 players --- just looking to consolidate talent, not swindle anyone.

Biedrins, Haslem, Ibaka, B.Rush, N. Robinson are all pretty available.

[Lucky17]

Perhaps the better place for this is on the Yahoo board once we get loaded up there -- esp. since some other GMs aren't on here.

re: TANKING -- i believe someone suggested (maybe for the h2h league) that there be either a lottery for the bottom, say, 10 teams.

just a thought. i think especially in the points league there should be some sort of disincentive for teams to just let their rosters rot.

I don't know if it will disincentivize (?) tanking, but it may mitigate the chances of benefiting from it.

10 seems a bit much, though. That's half the league. Or is that the idea?

[Gainesville Celtic]

Perhaps the better place for this is on the Yahoo board once we get loaded up there -- esp. since some other GMs aren't on here.

re: TANKING -- i believe someone suggested (maybe for the h2h league) that there be either a lottery for the bottom, say, 10 teams.

just a thought. i think especially in the points league there should be some sort of disincentive for teams to just let their rosters rot.

I don't know if it will disincentivize (?) tanking, but it may mitigate the chances of benefiting from it.

10 seems a bit much, though. That's half the league. Or is that the idea?

I threw out the lottery b/c i think someone else suggested it. But there is still some advantage to tanking. So i don't think it's really the best option in a league with max. game played totals.

I think the best option is penalizing teams draft spots for game totals under the 902 total. IIRC the proposed "equation" was do away with the lottery but teams lose 1 draft spot for being 50 games under the 902 total and one more per each 10 games after that.

This penalizes ALL owners for being inactive in the league, not just the ones at the bottom. (though only 1 team in the top 10 finished >850 games; maybe it makes sense to only penalize teams in, say, the bottom 10)

And more importantly teams that have legitimately bad rosters but are active aren't penalized for not having given up.

here's how the bottom 10 teams game totals ended up (20-11)

20. 810 (would have lost 5 draft spots)
19. 798 (-6 draft spots)
18. 864 (would have ended up w/ #1 pick)
17. 798 (-6 draft spots)
16. 752 (-10 draft spots)
15. 839 (-1 draft spot)
14. 790 (-7 draft spot)
13. 767 (-9 drft spot)
12. 904 (no loss)
11. 856 (no loss of spot)

I think the draft order would have been

1. 18
2. 20
3. 15
4. 17
5. 19
6. 12
7. 11
8. 14
9. 16
10. 13

You can see this both penalizes inactive teams, but also rewards GMs who are active but who have a bad team. I'd argue #18 above DESERVES the #1 pick more than a lottery winner b/c he at least kept playing all year.

It's not perfect, teams could still just play bad players, but that's on them. If they're more active, they're more willing to maybe load up on prospects, deal producing players to teams in the hunt, etc.

another option i think that was floated was to figure out the avg. score per player (i.e. all points in the league DIV by all games played) and assign that to each team under, say, 850 to bring all teams up to a point total based on 850 games. My guess is this would produce similar results.

(i think its worth allowing some wiggle room for injuries, etc. But not too much. Just like in the real NBA if your players get hurt you still have to play a bench).