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Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2009, 04:08:51 PM »

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I thought of a dark horse candidate, but it pains me to say it.

L. Ron Hubbard. 

Every time I see L Ron Hubbard I think of Frank Zappa's "Joe's Garage" album and L R Hoover from the First Church of Applientology.
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Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2009, 04:09:08 PM »

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Ghandi
Jonas Salk
Hitler
Stalin
FDR
Churchill
Mao
James D. Watson and Francis Crick
MLK Jr.
Gorbachev
Nixon
Neil Armstrong
Edmund Hillary
JRR Tolkein
CS Lewis
JK Rowling
Kurt Vonnegut
Oppenheimer
Einstein
Ian Wilmut and Keith Campbell ( They Cloned Dolly the Sheep)
Picasso
The Beatles


Those are just a few off the top of my head.

all? I bet no more than 2-3 people are really remembered, like synonymous with the 20th century.  Think about it, 19th century, most would likely say Lincoln and maybe Darwin... and that's only 100 years ago

1700s, Washington, Jefferson, all those founding fathers (from an American perspective)

1600s, King James I is the only name that really comes to mind immediately, so on and so forth

believe it or not, we will be reduced to a tiny blip on a huge map someday... kinda makes you feel insignificant

Are we talking about being remembered by History or by the common person?

I was thinking common person, but in many ways the 2 are pretty similar, over time especially.  But yes, the premise is if you asked someone in 500 years to name someone from the 20th century, I think you'd get Neil Armstrong and maybe one other...maybe

history books of course will have more, but little will likely be emphasized from this 100 year period; look at how texts gloss through decades and centuries as if they are blips ona  radar

I don't think they're similar at all, nor do I see the value of what the common person remembers. But that's neither here nor there. But I do think you are underselling the importance of the past century and I think History will remember it as a crucial time.
I agree with the first part, disagree with the last part. I don't think the last century will be viewed as more crucial than present. I think each century will be increasingly crucial as technology grows and globalization increases.

ah these quotes are getting long...

ok, I think everyone thinks that they are currently living on the cusp of the greatest generation, the one that really matters - one of my all time favorite quotes I use in my classroom:

"The world is too big for us. Too much going on. Too many crimes. To much violence and excitement. Try as you will, you get behind in the race. It's an incessant strain to keep pace and still you lose ground. Science empties discoveries on you so fast that you stagger beneath them in hopeless bewilderment. Everything is high pressure. Human nature cannot endure much more."

and it comes from... 1833

We think of ourselves as superior, imagine someone thinking the earth was the center of the universe, how foolish!  imagine someone thinking the earth was flat (though people in CC's time did not believe this as is often misattributed), how dumb!  I'm sure in 500 years many of our beliefs will be debunked (my favorite example of this thinking is found in Scott Adams's The Dilbert Future (I know, I know) but he has some great ideas about how evolution could be debunked in the next 100 years))... so yes, I think we tend to overinflate ourselves and our achievements and have trouble seeing us as we will be in the future.  Though many many things have made life better for us, they will be of little to no significance for the future, in my humble opinion
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Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2009, 04:12:49 PM »

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I will throw out there, the fact that nearly EVERYTHING gets videotaped or recorded could lead to more being remembered, but still I think information hits a saturation point. Sadly Gangstarr though they produced many amazing songs, will likely not stand the test of time even though their music will likely be digitially preserved until the insects take over
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Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2009, 04:24:29 PM »

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I thought of a dark horse candidate, but it pains me to say it.

L. Ron Hubbard. 
I am doubtful of his religion enduring 500 years. Without that, no one remembers him.

A lot of fad cults come and go, especially in Hollywood.

Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2009, 04:49:28 PM »

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OK, here's my list:

Political History, Negative: Hitler/Stalin (worse than Hitler, but he was America's ally, so less neg. press)

Political History, Neutral: Mao

Political History, Positive: JFK, MLK

Exploration: Armstrong

Music: Coltrane/Davis, Jay-Z, Beatles, Michael Jackson

Art: Salvador Dali, Maybe Pollock

Religion: Eliade

Science: Einstein, Dolly the Sheep, Watson and Crick (DNA guys)

Philosophy: Foucault and Jung along with Steinem, Sartre and Said

Technology: Bill Gates

Culture: Michael Jordan, Star Wars (totally camp by that point!)

Literature: Garcia Marquez, James Joyce, Conrad, and Stephen King.


And here was my reasoning/original post before i streamlined it for readability:

well, the first person i thought of that i knew was active in the 1400s was leonardo davinci. even with the cc hint, it took a couple minutes to get christopher columbus.


so what made davinci memorable? his all-around contributions? his ingenuity in science? his impact in art?

if we break it down, the most memorable scientific mind from the 20th century is einstein, so I'm guessing he'll be remembered. Elementary students will learn copernicus, gallileo, newton, einstein, xxxx, xxxx. In addition, I'm guessing the field of genetics and human biology, which really started in the 20th centry, will be huge, so gotta give props to watson and crick as well as dolly the sheep.


in terms of art, the main 20th century art explosion was in cinema. but does one person stand out to be remembered 500 years from now? i'm not sure, especially with how technology changes the appreciation of movies incredibly rapidly. Perhaps Coppola or Scorcese though, but i doubt it. So perhaps Jackson Pollock will still be remembered the way we remember Rembrandt, van gogh, davinci, michalangelo, and other visual artists from history.

ooh, scratch that. in 500 years kids will still be learning about Salvador Dali in art class.


Bill Gates comes to mind, in terms of technological significance. Of course, with the way technology explodes, he'll probably be remembered like we remember gutenburg for the printing press.

Music seems to last through the centuries. For monumental music acheivement, I'd say Miles Davis/John Coltrane could stick as Jazz Heroes, Jay Z probably has the largest, most expansive hip-hop library, Michael Jackson for archaic "20th century pop" and the Beatles. Kind of like how we sometimes throw on a Mozart opera to relax.

Glancing through wikipedia for the 15th century, I noticed Joan of Arc. We don't really have such military folk heroes anymore, but i could see Michael Jordan's name sticking around and being remembered for his all-around cultural impact.

The greatest literature of any century is also remembered, so let's see. Really hard to say. Someone made a great call with Rowling's work (kind of an equivalent to Brothers Grimm or something). But there have been many great, monumental writers. Who will stick as literary masters that will be remembered like we remember cervantes, Dante, Milton, Dickens, Bronte, et al? I'd guess they will come from this list:
Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Toni Morrison, Proust, Vonneguet, Gunter Grass, Hemmingway, James Joyce, Virginia Woolf, TS Eliot, Kafka, Fitzgerald, Faulker, Steinbeck, Aldous Huxley, Orwell, Tolkein, Asimov/Heinlen, Joseph Conrad, kipling, Kerouac, Rushdie, Pynchon, Steven King, Bradbury, Cormac McCarthy, Camus, Nabakov, Margaret Atwood, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Borges, and Neruda, to throw out a large but incomplete list.

Most of the great lasting russian lit. seems to be from the 19th century (tolstoy, pushkin, chekov, dostoevsky). There are some great great 20th century writers (bulgakov, bely, pasternack). Solzhenitsen may be remembered in conjunction with the holocaust.

Obviously great writers will be remembered when studying literary history (so bulgakov, bely, pasternack and nabakov will be rememebered in college historical lit. classes, i'm sure) but it's hard to narrow down the above list and pick the ones that will stick in general, especially since I have little to no clue as to what will be popular in China, Japan, among Spanish speakers, etc. But I'm going to go with: Garcia Marquez, James Joyce, Conrad, and Stephen King.

What about Religion? Have to think that various faiths will still be around, and they remember their own history well. I think that in terms of Christianity, Mircea Eliade will be remembered (though I find major fault with most of his writings, I think his theology will have long-lasting roots within theological settings.)


Philosophers are generally remembered. I think that the most important philosopher of the 20th century was Foucault, but Edward Said, Sartre, and Jung have as good or better chances of sticking, especially Jung. I'd include someone like Gloria Anzaldua, bell hooks, or Gloria Steinem as well, for their contributions in feminist philosphy and the major changes in gender dynamics this past century. I'll go with Steinem because i think she is the best known.

Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2009, 05:04:46 PM »

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I thought of a dark horse candidate, but it pains me to say it.

L. Ron Hubbard. 
I am doubtful of his religion enduring 500 years. Without that, no one remembers him.

A lot of fad cults come and go, especially in Hollywood.

It's unlikely to be sure, but Scientology has a lot more resources and organization, and a lot better "business model", than your average cult.  Once a religion gets a foothold they tend to stick around for quite awhile. 

Also, I meant Hubbard was a candidate for "better remembered in the future than the present", not the main question.  Sorry if unclear.

Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2009, 05:18:53 PM »

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Great topic by the way.

Also, it's hard to say who will be remembered and who will be remembered as synonymous with a particular century. For example, all of the people listed below are names I remember and recognize, but couldn't necessarily place in the 1400s:

Joan of Arc
Constantine, last emporer of Byzantium,
King James
Gutenburg
Nanak (founder of sikhism)
Vlad the Impaler
Henry V
Thomas Malory (all the king arthur stuff)
Cabot
Gama
Vespucci (all the explorers)

So that's quite a few. I think that each successive century will remember more about past centuries since more will be known at the time, with better global communication and record keeping. So it's reasonable to think that 10-15 names will be remembered well from teh 20th century.

Besides, the 1400s is now as much as 609 years removed! If we adjust to 500 yrs max, we're in the 16th century. From the 1500s (without peaking), we've still got davinci, copernicus, cortez, henry VIII, Michalangelo, Magellen, Pizarro, Martin Luther, Shakespeare, Elizabeth, Marlowe.

Then with some help, you also realize that you recognize the names of:
Verrezano, Drake, Cartier (explorers), John Calvin (Calvinism), Gallileo (didn't realize he was that early), Nostrodomus, Machiavelli, Barbarossa, Boleyn, de Soto, Mary queen of Scots, Ivan the terrible, John Knox, Raphael, El Greco, Cervantes, Thomas More, de la Vega, Coronado (explorer in US southwest), and, of course, the square root sign.

It's amazing how many names are significant and stick in you from somewhere, and you're like "oh yeah, that guy." I'm guessing many of those names from the 20th century will be there.

Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2009, 05:31:59 PM »

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OK, here's my list:

Political History, Negative: Hitler/Stalin (worse than Hitler, but he was America's ally, so less neg. press)

Political History, Neutral: Mao

Political History, Positive: JFK, MLK

Exploration: Armstrong

Music: Coltrane/Davis, Jay-Z, Beatles, Michael Jackson

Art: Salvador Dali, Maybe Pollock

Religion: Eliade

Science: Einstein, Dolly the Sheep, Watson and Crick (DNA guys)

Philosophy: Foucault and Jung along with Steinem, Sartre and Said

Technology: Bill Gates

Culture: Michael Jordan, Star Wars (totally camp by that point!)

Literature: Garcia Marquez, James Joyce, Conrad, and Stephen King.


And here was my reasoning/original post before i streamlined it for readability:

well, the first person i thought of that i knew was active in the 1400s was leonardo davinci. even with the cc hint, it took a couple minutes to get christopher columbus.


so what made davinci memorable? his all-around contributions? his ingenuity in science? his impact in art?

if we break it down, the most memorable scientific mind from the 20th century is einstein, so I'm guessing he'll be remembered. Elementary students will learn copernicus, gallileo, newton, einstein, xxxx, xxxx. In addition, I'm guessing the field of genetics and human biology, which really started in the 20th centry, will be huge, so gotta give props to watson and crick as well as dolly the sheep.


in terms of art, the main 20th century art explosion was in cinema. but does one person stand out to be remembered 500 years from now? i'm not sure, especially with how technology changes the appreciation of movies incredibly rapidly. Perhaps Coppola or Scorcese though, but i doubt it. So perhaps Jackson Pollock will still be remembered the way we remember Rembrandt, van gogh, davinci, michalangelo, and other visual artists from history.

ooh, scratch that. in 500 years kids will still be learning about Salvador Dali in art class.


Bill Gates comes to mind, in terms of technological significance. Of course, with the way technology explodes, he'll probably be remembered like we remember gutenburg for the printing press.

Music seems to last through the centuries. For monumental music acheivement, I'd say Miles Davis/John Coltrane could stick as Jazz Heroes, Jay Z probably has the largest, most expansive hip-hop library, Michael Jackson for archaic "20th century pop" and the Beatles. Kind of like how we sometimes throw on a Mozart opera to relax.

Glancing through wikipedia for the 15th century, I noticed Joan of Arc. We don't really have such military folk heroes anymore, but i could see Michael Jordan's name sticking around and being remembered for his all-around cultural impact.

The greatest literature of any century is also remembered, so let's see. Really hard to say. Someone made a great call with Rowling's work (kind of an equivalent to Brothers Grimm or something). But there have been many great, monumental writers. Who will stick as literary masters that will be remembered like we remember cervantes, Dante, Milton, Dickens, Bronte, et al? I'd guess they will come from this list:
Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Toni Morrison, Proust, Vonneguet, Gunter Grass, Hemmingway, James Joyce, Virginia Woolf, TS Eliot, Kafka, Fitzgerald, Faulker, Steinbeck, Aldous Huxley, Orwell, Tolkein, Asimov/Heinlen, Joseph Conrad, kipling, Kerouac, Rushdie, Pynchon, Steven King, Bradbury, Cormac McCarthy, Camus, Nabakov, Margaret Atwood, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Borges, and Neruda, to throw out a large but incomplete list.

Most of the great lasting russian lit. seems to be from the 19th century (tolstoy, pushkin, chekov, dostoevsky). There are some great great 20th century writers (bulgakov, bely, pasternack). Solzhenitsen may be remembered in conjunction with the holocaust.

Obviously great writers will be remembered when studying literary history (so bulgakov, bely, pasternack and nabakov will be rememebered in college historical lit. classes, i'm sure) but it's hard to narrow down the above list and pick the ones that will stick in general, especially since I have little to no clue as to what will be popular in China, Japan, among Spanish speakers, etc. But I'm going to go with: Garcia Marquez, James Joyce, Conrad, and Stephen King.

What about Religion? Have to think that various faiths will still be around, and they remember their own history well. I think that in terms of Christianity, Mircea Eliade will be remembered (though I find major fault with most of his writings, I think his theology will have long-lasting roots within theological settings.)


Philosophers are generally remembered. I think that the most important philosopher of the 20th century was Foucault, but Edward Said, Sartre, and Jung have as good or better chances of sticking, especially Jung. I'd include someone like Gloria Anzaldua, bell hooks, or Gloria Steinem as well, for their contributions in feminist philosphy and the major changes in gender dynamics this past century. I'll go with Steinem because i think she is the best known.


I find it quite amusing that with all these big names you have in all these categories you included Jay-Z. If you ask people from around the world who Michael Jackson is or the Beatles a big portion of people will know from all age groups. If you ask a bunch of Americans only a small section of the population would have any clue who he is. In the rest of the world it would be a rare person indeed who knew. I'm not sure Jay Z will even be recognizable to almost anyone in 50 years let alone 500.

Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2009, 05:34:26 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2009, 05:41:42 PM »

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I think Michael Jackson will remembered like a classical music genius.  Can you imagine, Michael Jackson receiving the same prestige and respect as Bethoven or Mozart.
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Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2009, 06:02:04 PM »

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I find it quite amusing that with all these big names you have in all these categories you included Jay-Z. If you ask people from around the world who Michael Jackson is or the Beatles a big portion of people will know from all age groups. If you ask a bunch of Americans only a small section of the population would have any clue who he is. In the rest of the world it would be a rare person indeed who knew. I'm not sure Jay Z will even be recognizable to almost anyone in 50 years let alone 500.

well, i guess it comes down to whether or not you think rap music will be remembered 500 years from now. If so, I think he's the guy whose name will last.

Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2009, 06:04:11 PM »

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How come no one mentioned these  names as this is the Future we are talking about right. ;D

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Re: in 500 years who will be remembered from the 20th
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2009, 06:11:18 PM »

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I don't think cultural or political iconic figures will be remembered. At the moment, even Gandhi's popularity has faded in India; he's more a cult of personality icon to the West than in South Asia. American leads like Washington, FDR, JFK, etc, are only as popular as the American century. Right now, every few, outside of history classes, remembers Cecil Rhodes of the British Empire, only the Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford lives on.

In a similar but alternative vein, the Beatles will only be remembered if rock 'n roll somehow *dies* but then is resurrected in the 22th century by a new generation using the Beatles as a type of Buddha-figurehead. In effect, that's what happened to both Christianity and Buddhism where it took some political capacity, a couple of centuries afterwards, for both of them to become household religions for much of the world. If Rock continues and melds into a series of worldwide musical genres than the Beatles will fade into a footnote for a music history class.

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500 years in the future usually the only people to be remembered are the one's that changed the world.


Adolph Hitler

Osama Bin Laden

Martin Luther King Jr.

Bill Gates

Franklin D. Roosevelt

Joseph Stalin

Winston Churchill

Albert Einstein

Nelson Mandela

Mother Theresa

Pablo Picasso

J.R.R Tolkien

George Orwell

Elvis Pressley

John Lennon

Paul McCartney

Michael Jackson

Mao Zedong


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