What if Ray Allen continues his shooting slump from last season

[Chief]

He'll play well in the regular season, but the playoffs are another story. Usually you get the best perimeter defensive teams in the playoffs and that is who Ray struggles against. Plus, he'll be a little wore down since Doc will refuse to play Walker or Giddens a few minutes and let Ray rest. 

[Roy Hobbs]

He'll play well in the regular season, but the playoffs are another story. Usually you get the best perimeter defensive teams in the playoffs and that is who Ray struggles against. Plus, he'll be a little wore down since Doc will refuse to play Walker or Giddens a few minutes and let Ray rest. 

Ray played pretty darn well against Chicago overall.  I mean, he scored 51 points in a game.  Also, of course, he set an NBA record for threes made in the Finals against the Lakers.

[colincb]

Orlando played a box and 1 against RA (and that's pretty effective against any scorer). They could do this because Rondo couldn't drive easily to the basket with Dwight Howard waiting to block the shot. We didn't have any inside presence to keep Howard honest (Perk or BBD) and Rondo didn't make them pay outside for playing off of him (as was noted by many including Doc).  It was a well-thought out defense and it worked. Davis got lot of open shots, and to his credit made them, but he wasn't forcing Howard to stay home, Perk played well overall, but he's not a real offensive force, and Rondo played poorly in the last 3 games against the Magic.

We lost the ORL series primarily because our big man rotation was Perk-BBD-Scals with not even a 4th (since Mikki was being lit up by the refs like a Xmas tree). That allowed the Magic to play Ray the way they did and to run doubles at PP a lot too. They were the only 2 scorers on the floor.

Ray had a good year and a great series against CHI. I think that was a far better measuring stick than the ORL series.

[Chief]

He'll play well in the regular season, but the playoffs are another story. Usually you get the best perimeter defensive teams in the playoffs and that is who Ray struggles against. Plus, he'll be a little wore down since Doc will refuse to play Walker or Giddens a few minutes and let Ray rest. 

Ray played pretty darn well against Chicago overall.  I mean, he scored 51 points in a game.  Also, of course, he set an NBA record for threes made in the Finals against the Lakers.

Chicago is the rare exception to great perimeter defense in the playoffs. And for some odd reason the Lakers find it more important to stop Rondo's offense than Ray Allen's.

[mgent]

Ray Allen was pretty much the reason we lost against Orlando.  Of course we wouldn't have needed him if KG was out there, but if he had stepped up and had 7 great games like Rondo did versus Chicago, we could've pulled off a victory. 

First, Rondo didn't have seven great games against Chicago.

Second, in Game 7 against, Ray had 23 points on 50% shooting.  His teammates?  Paul shot 4-for-13 and had 16 points.  Perk shot 3-for-11 and had 8 points.  Rondo had 10 points on 40% shooting.  Eddie, Scal, and Starbury shot a combined 3-for-12. 

That's not to put the blame on those other players, but rather is to point out that you can't pin an entire series on one guy. 

I put no blame on Ray Allen.  I'm sure he played as hard as he could.
The thing is, most people (including me) think of Ray as a top SG in the league (at least all-star caliber).  In that series he was definitely not an all-star.  I'm well aware that everyone else on our team had bad games, but we usually rely on one of the big 3 to have a big game.  That's why I was so disappointed that he was ice-cold until game 7.
Rondo on the other hand, played big minutes in Chicago, and almost averaged a triple double.  He is typically not a guy we expect to have big games and carry our team.
I hope for our team's sake, that Ray Allen was simply in a slump.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Ray Allen was pretty much the reason we lost against Orlando.  Of course we wouldn't have needed him if KG was out there, but if he had stepped up and had 7 great games like Rondo did versus Chicago, we could've pulled off a victory. 

First, Rondo didn't have seven great games against Chicago.

Second, in Game 7 against, Ray had 23 points on 50% shooting.  His teammates?  Paul shot 4-for-13 and had 16 points.  Perk shot 3-for-11 and had 8 points.  Rondo had 10 points on 40% shooting.  Eddie, Scal, and Starbury shot a combined 3-for-12. 

That's not to put the blame on those other players, but rather is to point out that you can't pin an entire series on one guy. 

I put no blame on Ray Allen.  I'm sure he played as hard as he could.
The thing is, most people (including me) think of Ray as a top SG in the league (at least all-star caliber).  In that series he was definitely not an all-star.  I'm well aware that everyone else on our team had bad games, but we usually rely on one of the big 3 to have a big game.  That's why I was so disappointed that he was ice-cold until game 7.
Rondo on the other hand, played big minutes in Chicago, and almost averaged a triple double.  He is typically not a guy we expect to have big games and carry our team.
I hope for our team's sake, that Ray Allen was simply in a slump.

Or just injured?

[mgent]

Ray Allen was pretty much the reason we lost against Orlando.  Of course we wouldn't have needed him if KG was out there, but if he had stepped up and had 7 great games like Rondo did versus Chicago, we could've pulled off a victory. 

First, Rondo didn't have seven great games against Chicago.

Second, in Game 7 against, Ray had 23 points on 50% shooting.  His teammates?  Paul shot 4-for-13 and had 16 points.  Perk shot 3-for-11 and had 8 points.  Rondo had 10 points on 40% shooting.  Eddie, Scal, and Starbury shot a combined 3-for-12. 

That's not to put the blame on those other players, but rather is to point out that you can't pin an entire series on one guy. 

I put no blame on Ray Allen.  I'm sure he played as hard as he could.
The thing is, most people (including me) think of Ray as a top SG in the league (at least all-star caliber).  In that series he was definitely not an all-star.  I'm well aware that everyone else on our team had bad games, but we usually rely on one of the big 3 to have a big game.  That's why I was so disappointed that he was ice-cold until game 7.
Rondo on the other hand, played big minutes in Chicago, and almost averaged a triple double.  He is typically not a guy we expect to have big games and carry our team.
I hope for our team's sake, that Ray Allen was simply in a slump.

Or just injured?

That'd work too.

[BballTim]

He'll play well in the regular season, but the playoffs are another story. Usually you get the best perimeter defensive teams in the playoffs and that is who Ray struggles against. Plus, he'll be a little wore down since Doc will refuse to play Walker or Giddens a few minutes and let Ray rest. 

  Maybe Doc could play Daniels and House then?

[crownsy]

Unfortunately I feel that Ray is cooked. As a coach when you see a catch and shoot player lose his legs to injury and age as much as he has in the last 2 years you start to wonder how many minutes he should be on the floor.

except reality doesn't back up any of that. He's had two of his best seasons shooting the ball in boston, and played with more defensive intensity than i saw out of him the previous 4 years or so.

But by all means, ignore the stats and contribute to the myth that ray allen hasen't had two great years in boston, facts are overrated. 

[ScalPal]

Unfortunately I feel that Ray is cooked. As a coach when you see a catch and shoot player lose his legs to injury and age as much as he has in the last 2 years you start to wonder how many minutes he should be on the floor. I think at this point Ray is best suited for 20-25 mins a night off the bench as a 6th man. It would be great if we had a young 2 that could start but have a reliable guy like Ray behind him.

Ray had, by far, the most efficient season of his career last year, and he averaged over 23 points per game against Chicago (including scoring 51 points against them).  He played *59* minutes in one game in the playoffs.

I don't think he's cooked.  I just think he was defended well, injured, and tired against Orlando.  He's fine playing 30 or so minutes per game, in my opinion, and more in the playoffs.

DATE OPP RESULT MIN FG PCT 3P PCT FT PCT STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
5/2 Chi
 W 109-99 36 6-14 .429 2-5
 .400 9-9 1.000 1 2 0 4 3 4 7 3 23
5/4 Orl
 L 95-90 40 2-12 .167 1-7
 .143 4-4 1.000 1 0 1 0 1 2 3 3 9
5/6 Orl
 W 112-94 41 7-15 .467 2-7
 .286 6-6 1.000 1 0 1 3 1 5 6 4 22
5/8 @Orl
 L 117-96 33 3-13 .231 0-5
 .000 2-2 1.000 0 0 2 1 1 4 5 4 8
5/10 @Orl
 W 95-94 47 6-13 .462 0-5
 .000 0-0 -- 0 0 2 2 1 4 5 4 12
5/12 Orl
 W 92-88 41 3-11 .273 2-5
 .400 5-5 1.000 1 0 4 0 0 3 3 3 13
5/14 @Orl
 L 83-75 42 2-11 .182 0-7
 .000 1-1 1.000 0 0 4 5 3 4 7 1 5
5/17 Orl
 L 101-82 41 9-18 .500 3-6
 .500 2-2 1.000 1 0 1 2 1 3 4 3 23
Numbers for May 40.1 38-107 .355 10-47 .213 29-29 1.000 0.6 0.3 1.9 2.1 1.4 3.6 5.0 3.1 14.4

Uh he's close to cooked im sorry but he can still play 20+ mins a game and then expand in the playoffs

[chilli]

People saying Ray is in a slump makes absoultely no sense. In the regular season he had one of his best shooting years statistically.  He shot his highest percentage of his career from the line and from inside the arc.  From three point land he had one of his top five best seasons. He has only missed 12 games over the last 2 years and most of those were probably just resting him at the end of the season once playoff seeding was already decided.  Also, he played what was probably the best, most intense defense of his career. 

In the playoffs he did shoot poorly but it is ridiculous to say that he is "cooked" or that he should be a bench type player or that his minutes should be limited. Just because he shot poorly in the playoffs means nothing.  He was still playing good defense, running the floor well, getting open, and getting good shots off.  They just weren't dropping. There's a lot of pressure in the playoffs, and it effects your stroke and timing.  In no way was his poor shooting a sign of his physical conditioning or aging.   The pressure, and the fact that he was playing huge minutes with no back up got to him.  And even on his bad nights in the playoffs, he still hit almost all the big last minute shots.  How many over times did he force?

He is still totally capable of being the star of this team on any given night and putting up the same numbers, with almost the same minutes (hopefully a few less now since he has a decent back up).

[crownsy]

Unfortunately I feel that Ray is cooked. As a coach when you see a catch and shoot player lose his legs to injury and age as much as he has in the last 2 years you start to wonder how many minutes he should be on the floor. I think at this point Ray is best suited for 20-25 mins a night off the bench as a 6th man. It would be great if we had a young 2 that could start but have a reliable guy like Ray behind him.

Ray had, by far, the most efficient season of his career last year, and he averaged over 23 points per game against Chicago (including scoring 51 points against them).  He played *59* minutes in one game in the playoffs.

I don't think he's cooked.  I just think he was defended well, injured, and tired against Orlando.  He's fine playing 30 or so minutes per game, in my opinion, and more in the playoffs.

DATE OPP RESULT MIN FG PCT 3P PCT FT PCT STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
5/2 Chi
 W 109-99 36 6-14 .429 2-5
 .400 9-9 1.000 1 2 0 4 3 4 7 3 23
5/4 Orl
 L 95-90 40 2-12 .167 1-7
 .143 4-4 1.000 1 0 1 0 1 2 3 3 9
5/6 Orl
 W 112-94 41 7-15 .467 2-7
 .286 6-6 1.000 1 0 1 3 1 5 6 4 22
5/8 @Orl
 L 117-96 33 3-13 .231 0-5
 .000 2-2 1.000 0 0 2 1 1 4 5 4 8
5/10 @Orl
 W 95-94 47 6-13 .462 0-5
 .000 0-0 -- 0 0 2 2 1 4 5 4 12
5/12 Orl
 W 92-88 41 3-11 .273 2-5
 .400 5-5 1.000 1 0 4 0 0 3 3 3 13
5/14 @Orl
 L 83-75 42 2-11 .182 0-7
 .000 1-1 1.000 0 0 4 5 3 4 7 1 5
5/17 Orl
 L 101-82 41 9-18 .500 3-6
 .500 2-2 1.000 1 0 1 2 1 3 4 3 23
Numbers for May 40.1 38-107 .355 10-47 .213 29-29 1.000 0.6 0.3 1.9 2.1 1.4 3.6 5.0 3.1 14.4

Uh he's close to cooked im sorry but he can still play 20+ mins a game and then expand in the playoffs

congrats, you cherry picked his worse playoff games while leaving out the 5 he was good in....what was this supposed to prove exactly?

why didn't you list the games in Chicago where he was outstanding? or his finals performance last year where he was arguably the MVP, though i was more than happy paul got it?

I mean, seriously, if your just going to cherry pick games to try to prove an erroneous point, i could make the same case for KG being awful by using his two bad games in the finals in 08', his two bad games in the Detroit series, and a few scattered ones from the CLEV and ATL series, while leaving out all his good games.