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Does Big Baby = Some Big Lineups?
« on: August 10, 2009, 01:52:48 PM »

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Now that Big Baby is back in the fold, are we now going to see some lineups that feature 3 of our 4 big men on the court at the same time?  Before people dismiss the idea for possible shortcomings, let's consider a few things.

1) 4 of our best 9 players, and arguably 4 of our best 7 players (depending on where you rank BBD in relation to House and Daniels) are big men.  The simple fact of the matter is that there aren't enough minutes for all four big men to get significant minutes, so if we want to give all four significant minutes, we're likely going to have to give KG or BBD some limited minutes at the 3 spot. 

2) While you can claim that KG or BBD is too slow to guard the 3, and thus a disadvantage to the team, is this really the case?  Even as he's gotten older, KG is still faster than some 3s in the league.  Furthermore, with his height he could stay an extra step off quicker 3s and still keep a hand in his face.  Plus, for whatever troubles KG or BBD might have guarding some 3s, those 3s would have even more trouble trying to guard them. 

3) And for whatever disadvantage the C's might have from playing a big at the 3, is it any bigger disadvantage that they would have playing an inferior player for 5-10 mpg?  To me, I'd rather see BBD getting 10 mpg more than see Walker or Giddens get those 10 mpg. 

Ultimately, I could see something like this for next year during the regular season.

PG: Rondo 35, House 13
SG: Allen 32, Daniels 16
SF: Pierce 32, Daniels 10, KG 6
PF: KG 26, BBD 15, Wallace 7
C: Perk 30, Wallace 18

Overall, this gives the team minutes like this:

Rondo 35
Allen 32
Pierce 32
KG 32
Perk 30
Wallace 25
Daniels 26
BBD 15
House 13

Thoughts? 

Re: Does Big Baby = Some Big Lineups?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2009, 01:55:46 PM »

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I'd love to see KG-Sheed-Perk on the floor at the same time just to see what happens.

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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2009, 01:56:42 PM »

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I'd love to see KG-Sheed-Perk on the floor at the same time just to see what happens.


Might be a little too dangerous: an opposing big could die. 

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2009, 02:05:37 PM »

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I'd love to see KG-Sheed-Perk on the floor at the same time just to see what happens.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2009, 02:12:49 PM »

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Why does Daniels have more minutes than Wallace, and why does Davis see more minutes than House?
House and Daniels should both be getting around 15-20, and Davis should only see about 10 (KG doesn't need SF minutes).
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 02:26:01 PM »

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I'd love to see KG-Sheed-Perk on the floor at the same time just to see what happens.

That's the only way the Celtics should try big.  Imagine the issues it could cause.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 02:26:57 PM »

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I'd love to see KG-Sheed-Perk on the floor at the same time just to see what happens.

That's the only way the Celtics should try big.  Imagine the issues it could cause.

Ray Allen-Pierce-KG-Sheed-Perk screw it, roll with it.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 02:27:52 PM »

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I'd love to see KG-Sheed-Perk on the floor at the same time just to see what happens.

That's the only way the Celtics should try big.  Imagine the issues it could cause.

Ray Allen-Pierce-KG-Sheed-Perk screw it, roll with it.


I agree.  (I meant issues for other teams)

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 03:34:34 PM »

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Why does Daniels have more minutes than Wallace, and why does Davis see more minutes than House?
House and Daniels should both be getting around 15-20, and Davis should only see about 10 (KG doesn't need SF minutes).

Daniels was a starter last year and is young, Sheed is up there in age, and House is (at times) a defensive liability.

BUT if House is on fire he'll obviously play more.

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2009, 04:05:08 PM »

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I'd love to see KG-Sheed-Perk on the floor at the same time just to see what happens.

That's the only way the Celtics should try big.  Imagine the issues it could cause.

Ray Allen-Pierce-KG-Sheed-Perk screw it, roll with it.
Man that would be crucial, cant even envision it now I'll just get to hyped for the season! As it is seems its taking forevvvvverr  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2009, 04:06:16 PM »

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This has about a 0 chance of happening. Big Baby's biggest strength right now is his improving jumpshot which pulls a big man out of the paint and his strength which make him a decent post defender. Putting him at the 3 will make him a liability since he is a bad shooter for a 3, wouldn't utilize his post defense, get burned off the dribble and he doesn't have a post game that he can utilize against other 3s to make them pay.

I guess you could put KG at the 3, but they are not going to do that. That will put more stress on him having to run around the perimeter chasing other wings. You don't want KG chasing other guys through screens.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 04:17:52 PM »

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Why does Daniels have more minutes than Wallace, and why does Davis see more minutes than House?
House and Daniels should both be getting around 15-20, and Davis should only see about 10 (KG doesn't need SF minutes).

Daniels was a starter last year and is young, Sheed is up there in age, and House is (at times) a defensive liability.

BUT if House is on fire he'll obviously play more.
Daniels is BARELY a starter on a horrible team.  Rasheed has been starting on a team that has been a contender for years.  He should definitely get more minutes than anyone else on the bench.  House's shooting is very valuable to our team despite his defensive liability, so i definitely see him playing as much as Daniels, if not more.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 05:18:22 PM »

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I expect us to play 10 men every first half, if not also in the second half.

TA will likely get minutes from the start if his ankle is healed and I expect to see 5 bench player lineups, especially in the first halves of games.

I really doubt Daniels gets 26 minutes off the bench. That is a lot of minutes off the bench when you have the type of players starting ahead of you that he does.

I am also expecting KG to get rather long rests during games.

The amount of minutes Daniels gets is completely unrelated to the minutes Rasheed will get. They play different positions and our goal is to have all the old guys ready for the playoffs. Daniels is here to eat minutes so that P and Ray can sit.