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Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2009, 04:06:02 PM »

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My girlfriend is a vegetarian and hates dogs, terrible argument.  Good quote KungPoweChicken

one has nothing to do with the other, an even worse argument. touche good sir!
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Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2009, 04:07:52 PM »

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my point was that no one would have ever heard or cared about the fact that he was carrying a gun FOR PROTECTION had he not shot him self in the leg. He wasnt planning on killing anyone unless they attacked him. Vick unprovingly killed hundreds of dogs. So the fact that Plaxico will most likely get more jail time than Vick is Redonkulous.


I care. I don't want people carrying cannons around their waists illegally with the safety off just looking for a reason to blow someone's face off.

Look, I'm sure you think your  role models are so "hard" because they're strapped but I can do without the whole "DEATH AT NIGHTCLUB" headline.
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Plaxico wasn't looking to blow someone's head off. He was looking for trouble bringing an unregistered fire arm into a club in the waist band of his sweatpants...

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2009, 04:08:56 PM »

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On a sidenote if the Patriots sign him how unfair of a team would that be in Madden to have both Vick and Brady on the same team. 

I'd buy Madden for the first time in a long time

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2009, 04:15:08 PM »

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If someone wants to state Vick is a bad guy cause he killed dogs, then everyone in countries where animal fighting is legal and popular are bad people too (cock fighting in South America and the Philipines, bull fighting in Spain and South America) and then people from those countries shouldn't be signed to NFL contracts.

Also if you have ever swatted a fly or a mosquito or stepped on an ant or burned one with a magnifying glass when you were a kid, or eaten meat, then you can't play in the league.

Unless you are saying dogs somehow have more rights than these other animals because presumably they are cuter and cuddlier.

In Korea they eat dogs so I guess they all can't play in the league either.

I also assume these people want the names of many teams changed such as the Bulls named after the slaughterhouses, the Longhorns, etc.

We're in a society that is fine with men beating the hell out of each other in boxing, Ultimate fighting, etc and love to watch films glorifying the days of gladiatorial combat and name them best picture, but for some reason Vick is suddenly the devil incarnate or something.

The hypocracy is beyond me.

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2009, 04:46:06 PM »

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He served his time, regardless of how bad you think of the crime, I personally do not think the NFL should punish him further.  It shouldn't be in their right to do so.  He served enough time in a prison, this isn't like the justice system allowed him to play football while in jail, he's missed 2 full seasons and has lost millions of dollars while serving time in jail.  He's been punished enough.
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Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2009, 05:33:25 PM »

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If someone wants to state Vick is a bad guy cause he killed dogs, then everyone in countries where animal fighting is legal and popular are bad people too (cock fighting in South America and the Philipines, bull fighting in Spain and South America) and then people from those countries shouldn't be signed to NFL contracts.

Also if you have ever swatted a fly or a mosquito or stepped on an ant or burned one with a magnifying glass when you were a kid, or eaten meat, then you can't play in the league.

Unless you are saying dogs somehow have more rights than these other animals because presumably they are cuter and cuddlier.

In Korea they eat dogs so I guess they all can't play in the league either.

I also assume these people want the names of many teams changed such as the Bulls named after the slaughterhouses, the Longhorns, etc.

We're in a society that is fine with men beating the hell out of each other in boxing, Ultimate fighting, etc and love to watch films glorifying the days of gladiatorial combat and name them best picture, but for some reason Vick is suddenly the devil incarnate or something.

The hypocracy is beyond me.

true.  eating meat though serves a purpose of basic survival, the animal dies so another can live.  dog fighting is for fun, the animal dies so another can have fun for the day.  Bottom line is we have laws and we have punishment for dog fighting and Michael Vick served his time.  He also is serving time as "the worst human being in america" which is NOT true but none the less he his being punished with that moniker. 

We need to let it go, the conviction of michael vick served its purpose by sending a message to people that animal cruelty is a serious crime, but its time to forgive him and give him a second chance. 

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2009, 05:39:51 PM »

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Is it legal to kill a dog and eat it? Could Vick have gotten in less trouble if he had sold the meat? I bet that road kill restaurant would have taken it

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2009, 05:49:37 PM »

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dogs can love. there's a difference.i can't rap my mind around anyone torturing and killing a dog. i would wonder if that person was a potential serial killer or has fantasies of killing.i just can't understand it. it's so sick.

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2009, 06:07:04 PM »

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I know this isn't exactly breaking news, and I'd rather not give this lowlife any more attention than he's already getting, but I feel as though I need to say what's on my mind.



What Vick did was brutal, sadistic, and merciless. The man does not have a moral bone in his body, a noble beat in his heart, or an honest thought in his head. No amount of prison time and no amount of debt can rehabilitate a mind as sick as Vick’s. He is not, and never will be, a healthy man. Not after he shot, electrocuted, slammed, drowned, raped, fought, and tortured hundreds, if not thousands of innocent dogs. Asking Vick for genuine remorse is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer for genuine remorse, for their morbid and disgusting acts in which they took pleasure in are comparable.

No one should be comparing Vick to other criminals the NFL has embraced in the past. Vick is an entirely different case, for the amount of suffering he inflicted on the many innocent lives he tortured is unrivaled by any NFL player, past or present. If Vick plays in the NFL and he is cheered, every sadistic criminal in the world should be cheered for any good they do: The rapists, murderers, and robbers should all be applauded when they manage to contrive the word “sorry” from their lips.

Michael Vick will not get any cheers from me. In fact, I will protest wherever he plays; I will picket in whichever city he is playing in; and I will refuse to watch the NFL. Any league that promotes a man as bloodcurdling as Michael Vick is a league I want no part of.

This is not about being black, white, brown, or yellow. This is about, and only about, the ignorant monster that is Michael Vick. A life is a life. All animals feel pain comparable to what humans feel. And any man that would enjoy inflicting unfathomable amounts of pain on innocent dogs for recreation is not something I, or any other healthy man, can comprehend. I will not forgive or forget what Vick did.

Before I end this essay, I’d like to leave you with a quote from Leonardo Da Vinci, who was perhaps the smartest and most diverse man who ever lived. Da Vinci once said, “The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men.”


 Pfft. ::)

What'd you do, rip this off PETA's statement concerning Michael Vick off their front page? Jeez. You're a member of them or something?

Ok, listen. I respect your opinion. But you need to calm down and stop acting like Vick affected someone in your life. That's what I get from your message if nothing else. You don't want to watch a league where he's in? Fine. No one's amused by PETA pushing their nose into this, so I'm not worried about you protesting outside a NFL stadium. You did make me roll on the floor laughing when I read that part though.  ;D

But you know what? He didn't get away with what he did. He had his contract, back then the biggest ever given to the NFL player, stripped from him. He had his livelihood stripped from him, and he'll have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.
On the other hand, there are players in the NFL today who may have very well killed someone, but they're playing today without a hitch. Have you picketed a game that could include such a player? Or since dogs were the victims instead of possibly a human, you're now off your seat like a fan who just saw their team screwed by the refs? That NOW you're ready to kick someone's who knows (funny how someone would say ass but it's usually someone's face...and of course, I know how someone could reply  ::)) and take names, right?

Well...fine. You do that. But I'm gonna say something to you you've probably heard: they are just dogs. I already know what you wanna say to that, so save it. But that's the reality. I don't condone what Vick did, and I don't condone it may happen regularly in whatever regions in the USA they do.

But...I'd hate to think in a society, the way it is now, with pretty much many turkeys dying a year in the name of stuffing our bellies in late November, and then possibly late December, and all the cows that were sacrificed to again feed us in early July, something like what Vick did will have people like you up in arms, ready to make signs, get outside a NFL stadium, and say "we don't want Convick".

I respect that you're a vegetarian, but I won't accept that as an equivalent to protesting Mike Vick, unless you apply the same emotions to other animals I just mentioned. What I mean is: have you picketed slaughterhouses that kill the cows, the turkeys, and the chickens that end up on our dinner table, whether at home or a restaurant?

If not, why go after Vick? If not...you need to get over it. If not, leave Vick alone and realize he's served his time to society. You, and PETA.

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2009, 06:26:56 PM »

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the murder of a human is obviously worse than a dog but what makes the dog killing so sick is the torture inflicted. sorry, but i'm convinced you have to be sick to do that. i mean, what feelings would a person have as he's trying to drown or electrocute a dog with the thing yelping,whimpering etc. i think it's likely they even enjoy killing them. it's sick.it's also done over and over and over again. multiple murders.these people are SCARY people.

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2009, 06:37:22 PM »

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the murder of a human is obviously worse than a dog but what makes the dog killing so sick is the torture inflicted. sorry, but i'm convinced you have to be sick to do that. i mean, what feelings would a person have as he's trying to drown or electrocute a dog with the thing yelping,whimpering etc. i think it's likely they even enjoy killing them. it's sick.it's also done over and over and over again. multiple murders.these people are SCARY people.

So if he's sick the propper thing to do is make it impossible for the guy to find work from a willing employer even after he payed his debt to society? That's what we do with people that have issues now?

He didn't even owe much of a debt to society since dogs aren't part of society

Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2009, 07:23:56 PM »

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There is a difference between killing animals for food (or being the recipient of animals slaughtered for food) and killing animals for pure recreation.  There is also a difference between using your own hands to kill an animal and being layers removed from the killing either by using a distance weapon or by having another person do the killing.  It's no small deal to kill a substantial vibrant animal with your own hands -- especially if it is pleasurable or fulfilling in some way.  However, we really don't know the direct relationship between Vick and the heinous dog killings that were reported. He may have done the deeds himself or instructed others to kill the animals.  He also may have reluctantly killed the animals in the name of his 'business' rather than for the purpose of gaining sadistic joy from the killings.  We really don't know his state of mind throughout the timeframe in which he engaged in dog-fighting and dog abuse.  We do know that dog-fighting is very difficult to watch and impossible to condone if you are raised in a culture in which animal fighting is taboo.  I believe I'd be sickened by it, however, I do recall some 25 years ago being at a resort in Santa Domingo at which cock fights were a daily ritual with locals exclaiming great joy and excitement at the event. 

I can't claim to know what was in Vick's heart or head during his dog-fighting days -- I don't know if he was ever conflicted morally or if he purely relished in the raw violence.  Who knows if he began reluctantly and gradually was de-sensitized to it.  All I can surmise is that he couldn't stop himself from getting deeper and deeper into a violent and illegal activity.  It cost him greatly by most people's standards in cultural realms that matter a great deal to most Americans: reputation, freedom, and money.  His fame also became infamy. 

I choose to accept that a person can make values changes and can grow and learn.  Vick paid for his choices and now is legally free. The commisioner has made a decision to allow him to play and now its up to an owner to choose to offer Vick a chance.  If he gets the chance, I am hoping he makes the best of it. 


Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2009, 07:42:10 PM »

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my point was that no one would have ever heard or cared about the fact that he was carrying a gun FOR PROTECTION had he not shot him self in the leg. He wasnt planning on killing anyone unless they attacked him. Vick unprovingly killed hundreds of dogs. So the fact that Plaxico will most likely get more jail time than Vick is Redonkulous.


I care. I don't want people carrying cannons around their waists illegally with the safety off just looking for a reason to blow someone's face off.

Look, I'm sure you think your NFL role models are so "hard" because they're strapped but I can do without the whole "DEATH AT NIGHTCLUB" headline.

NFL Role Models acting HARD?  What a steriotypical statement.  And you can do without the "Death at NightClub Headline."

Thats funny b/c Im sure if you asked a lot of NFL Players, ones who even dont all fall into your steriotypical thug/hard category, theyd say they could do without all these headlines....

"Sean Taylor shot and killed in attempted robbery"

"Steve Smith (BURRESS TEAMMATE) Robbed at Gunpoint"

"Antoine Walker Robbed at Gunpoint"

"Vernon Forest shot and killed in attempted Robbery"

"Dunta Robinson from Texans robbed at gunpoint"

"Steelers first rounder Mendenhall robbed in Chicago"

Now I do agree that Burress is stupid and he deserves what he has coming to him.  However, he has every right to have that gun as long as its registered and hes not endangering lives with it.  Since it wasnt registered and he was carrying it in sweatpants with the safety off, then yes he deserves to be punished.  However to widely generlize NFL players like theyre these 'strapped' gun carrying thugs that could pop a cap in someone at any minute is being completely ignorant about a problem thats been rapidly growing players in professional sports, which is they are targets for theives.
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Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2009, 08:16:24 PM »

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my point was that no one would have ever heard or cared about the fact that he was carrying a gun FOR PROTECTION had he not shot him self in the leg. He wasnt planning on killing anyone unless they attacked him. Vick unprovingly killed hundreds of dogs. So the fact that Plaxico will most likely get more jail time than Vick is Redonkulous.


I care. I don't want people carrying cannons around their waists illegally with the safety off just looking for a reason to blow someone's face off.

Look, I'm sure you think your NFL role models are so "hard" because they're strapped but I can do without the whole "DEATH AT NIGHTCLUB" headline.

NFL Role Models acting HARD?  What a steriotypical statement.  And you can do without the "Death at NightClub Headline."

Thats funny b/c Im sure if you asked a lot of NFL Players, ones who even dont all fall into your steriotypical thug/hard category, theyd say they could do without all these headlines....

"Sean Taylor shot and killed in attempted robbery"

"Steve Smith (BURRESS TEAMMATE) Robbed at Gunpoint"

"Antoine Walker Robbed at Gunpoint"

"Vernon Forest shot and killed in attempted Robbery"

"Dunta Robinson from Texans robbed at gunpoint"

"Steelers first rounder Mendenhall robbed in Chicago"

Now I do agree that Burress is stupid and he deserves what he has coming to him.  However, he has every right to have that gun as long as its registered and hes not endangering lives with it.  Since it wasnt registered and he was carrying it in sweatpants with the safety off, then yes he deserves to be punished.  However to widely generlize NFL players like theyre these 'strapped' gun carrying thugs that could pop a cap in someone at any minute is being completely ignorant about a problem thats been rapidly growing players in professional sports, which is they are targets for theives.

Read what I said again.

I never said that NFL players are for the killing/burglarizing of other people.

I never said that all NFL players are strapped all I said is that I don't want thugs in nightclubs just looking for fights/trouble with ILLEGAL weapons.

Do you have any idea why a person may have an unlicensed weapon??


Re: Michael Vick
« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2009, 08:20:01 PM »

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This is so typical though.

People will make excuses for these guys saying:
"HE WAS JUST CARRYING IT FOR PROTECTION!!"

Then why isn't it registered?

Somehow its become socially acceptable in african american culture to carry an illegal weapon.........."for protection" and its just flat out wrong.