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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2009, 04:02:16 PM »

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Not sure if he is here, but question for Philly:  "If the Sixers and Magics were to meet in the playoffs, all eyes would be on the Melo/Lebron matchup. Which team do you feel has the better supporting stars/players surrounding your superstar and why?"

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #136 on: August 05, 2009, 04:12:16 PM »

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No NJ press conference?

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #137 on: August 05, 2009, 04:14:26 PM »

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I love it!

What about the SG position makes it more important than SF?  I just don't understand your theory.  How was Rip Hamilton the difference maker on Detroit's championship squad?

Also, does your theory mean that Lebron is incapable of winning a championship in real life, at least as Cleveland is constituted?  Because, as much as I love our 7th man Delonte West, he's not a dominant SG, either.
Why do you guys keep trying to read more into the facts than what is there. Did I say LeBron was incapable of winning a championship? No, I did not so stop trying to twist what is being discussed. Did I say that the SG position was more important than any other position? No I did not, so again stop trying to twist the conversation around.

What I said is that a team needs to HAVE a dominant SG to win it all in today's NBA. Does that mean it is impossible for a team without a dominant SG to win it all? Of course not and you know that. I am not talking absolutes and never said I was.

But the facts are since Michael transform the style of the game and transformed the biggest threat on the court to his SG position the SG position has won the MOST Finals MVPs and Most NBA MVPs. Since 1988 the champs and their SGs:

Lakers     Byron Scott
Pistons    Joe Dumars
Bulls      Michael jordan
Rockets    Clyde Drexler and Kenny Smith(not dominant)
Bulls      Michael Jordan
Spurs      Mario Elle/Steve Kerr combo(not dominant)
Lakers     Kobe
Spurs      Jackson/Manu conbo
Pistons    Rip Hamilton
Spurs      Manu
Heat       Wade
Spurs      Manu
Celtics    Ray Allen
Lakers     Kobe

These are just facts and it's where I get my theory. In today's game a team with a dominant(not most dominant but dominant) will win the title 90% of the time or more.

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #138 on: August 05, 2009, 04:16:20 PM »

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To all the GMs in the East.

You are all talking about how important your matchups are versus the other teams in your division. Are you aware you only play each other 4 or maybe, tops, 5 times a year? Your match ups only count in a seven game series and all five of you are not even going to come close to making the playoffs.

So perhaps you all can talk about why you believe your team will win consistently every night versus all types of competition and not just against the guy who plays in a different building off I95.



yea, as someone who is going to need to read through this thread at length later tonight and tomorrow, the above will be much more compelling to my vote than a run down about how you do against a specific team.

Ok well personally I believe my team can compete and win against any team in the league and that is because of the defense I have put together.  I stocked my team with three defensive players of the year that are all good on ball and help defenders.  I also have a strong bench with 4 guys on the bench who averaged close to or above 10 points a game last year, as well as a starting 5 where everybody averaged above 10 points a game.  My team is incredibly ballanced offenseivly with a proven go to scorer in Kevin Garnett who lead the Celtics in both 4th quarter and playoff scoring.
Excellent answer and the type of thing I was waiting for someone to finally come out and say. Thank you.

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #139 on: August 05, 2009, 04:37:45 PM »

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Ok, well I am going into central square for dinner, Ill try to answer anything else when I come back.  So when does voting for this actually happen btw?
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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #140 on: August 05, 2009, 04:39:25 PM »

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What I said is that a team needs to HAVE a dominant SG to win it all in today's NBA. Does that mean it is impossible for a team without a dominant SG to win it all? Of course not and you know that. I am not talking absolutes and never said I was.


I guess I don't understand.  To me "needs to" means the exact same thing as "it's impossible without".  I don't recognize a distinction.

Regardless, I just disagree with your position.  To me, there's no reason why teams with great SGs would be more likely to win than teams with great SFs. 

(Again, our team doesn't have a vested interest here; we just disagree with the argument.)

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #141 on: August 05, 2009, 04:40:39 PM »

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Ok, well I am going into central square for dinner, Ill try to answer anything else when I come back.  So when does voting for this actually happen btw?

I think we vote for division winners at the same time we do conference seeding, which for the Eastern Conference is a week from tomorrow.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #142 on: August 05, 2009, 04:50:09 PM »

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No NJ press conference?

Aren't you heckled out already?

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #143 on: August 05, 2009, 04:50:41 PM »

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Are votes public or can teams just put competitors or GM's they don't like in the cellar privately?

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #144 on: August 05, 2009, 04:51:27 PM »

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No NJ press conference?

Aren't you heckled out already?

I like NJ's team. I don't get it.

Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #145 on: August 05, 2009, 04:58:47 PM »

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Most of the stuff I've been looking for has already been asked and answered in this three ring circus, but I guess I have one simple question for EACH team that I would need answered. For the record, Philly I am very interested in your answer.

8 seconds left, you're down by 2 with the ball at halfcourt.

Who on your team gets the ball, and what are they doing?
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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #146 on: August 05, 2009, 04:59:47 PM »

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Sorry I wasn't here. I was in a banquet hall all freakin day listening to modern theory on ethics in regards to an insurance agent's dual obligations to his client, and his company.

Point of interest: It is really hard to steele yourself into stabbing yourself in the eye with a ball point pen. No matter how close you get, it doesn't count until it makes contact, and that's the hardest part.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #147 on: August 05, 2009, 05:00:14 PM »

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Most of the stuff I've been looking for has already been asked and answered in this three ring circus, but I guess I have one simple question for EACH team that I would need answered. For the record, Philly I am very interested in your answer.

8 seconds left, you're down by 2 with the ball at halfcourt.

Who on your team gets the ball, and what are they doing?

Great question, but i think he gave a two word answer to this earlier.
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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #148 on: August 05, 2009, 05:02:03 PM »

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Anyone else kinda feel like this division is a three way tie between Philly, Toronto and Boston? Well actually 2 team since I have no idea who is actually on Boston.

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Re: CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison
« Reply #149 on: August 05, 2009, 05:08:21 PM »

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I love it!

What about the SG position makes it more important than SF?  I just don't understand your theory.  How was Rip Hamilton the difference maker on Detroit's championship squad?

Also, does your theory mean that Lebron is incapable of winning a championship in real life, at least as Cleveland is constituted?  Because, as much as I love our 7th man Delonte West, he's not a dominant SG, either.
Why do you guys keep trying to read more into the facts than what is there. Did I say LeBron was incapable of winning a championship? No, I did not so stop trying to twist what is being discussed. Did I say that the SG position was more important than any other position? No I did not, so again stop trying to twist the conversation around.

What I said is that a team needs to HAVE a dominant SG to win it all in today's NBA. Does that mean it is impossible for a team without a dominant SG to win it all? Of course not and you know that. I am not talking absolutes and never said I was.

But the facts are since Michael transform the style of the game and transformed the biggest threat on the court to his SG position the SG position has won the MOST Finals MVPs and Most NBA MVPs. Since 1988 the champs and their SGs:

Lakers     Byron Scott
Pistons    Joe Dumars
Bulls      Michael jordan
Rockets    Clyde Drexler and Kenny Smith(not dominant)
Bulls      Michael Jordan
Spurs      Mario Elle/Steve Kerr combo(not dominant)
Lakers     Kobe
Spurs      Jackson/Manu conbo
Pistons    Rip Hamilton
Spurs      Manu
Heat       Wade
Spurs      Manu
Celtics    Ray Allen
Lakers     Kobe

These are just facts and it's where I get my theory. In today's game a team with a dominant(not most dominant but dominant) will win the title 90% of the time or more.


Two things: Adding in Michael changes everything. You originally said "for the past decade", which would start in 1999. There's another team without a dominant 2. Yes, if you count Michael's years into the equation, two guards outnumber the rest of the NBA in finals and regular MVPs. But thats the best player in the history of the game, a man who is the exception to many rules. Yes if you include the greatest player of all time it does prove your point. However, with the exception of 2006 and 2009 championships, none of the players you mentioned were the best player on their team, let alone the most dominant.

Lakers- SG Byron Scott. There is no way he was etter than Magic and Worthy. Even kareem on one leg.
Pistons- SG- Joe Dumars. While he had a magnificent series, Arguing that he is a more dominant player than Issiah is like arguing Pierce is a more dominant player than KG.
Bulls- No Argument
Lakers 3 peat- While Kobe was great, Shaq was easily the most dominant player in the league.
Spurs- You can say what you want about the Manu/Jackson combo, but Tim Duncan was the dominant player on that team.
Pistons- Rip had nice numbers, but there's a reason Chauncey won the Finals MVP
Spurs- Duncan again
Heat- No Argument
Spurs- Tp dominated that series, and the second best player was TD
Celtics- While Ray was very good, the two times he scored over 20 points were in blowouts when the Lake show stopped playing defense. Pauls clutch scoring and defense  truly dominated the series.
Lakers- No argument.

I think you're picking the wrong constant. Over the past decade, it has been much harder for an NBA team to win without their best player being a dominant big.