3-way sign and trade idea, Boston/Indy/NJ

[Chris]

So I can't sleep, and just heard this stuff about a possible sign and trade of Davis to NJ, and figured I would play around with this a bit, because perhaps this is what is holding up the Daniels signing.

So here is what I have:

Boston sends Davis (signed for a deal starting at $4 million) to NJ, Tony Allen to NJ (whose contract would be absorbed by the trade exception they got for Vince Carter), Gabe Pruitt to Indy, and a future first rounder to NJ.

Boston gets Daniels (signed to a deal starting at $3 million), and Yi Jianlian.  This should work, even with Davis' base year status.

This deal makes some sense for NJ, if they really like Davis, and have soured on Yi (OK, this part is just speculation...but you can also plug in Dooling, or Hayes, and make this work in a similar way).  They get a future pick, mainly for Yi (they wouldn't get this if they gave up someone like Hayes).  And Tony Allen might actually be a decent pickup for them, since he can excite some of their fans for the year, even though they will be sucking it up.

And for the Pacers, they don't take on any guaranteed salary, but get a trade exception, and the option to give a guy like Pruitt a try.  Walker or Giddens could also be substituted for Pruitt in this scenario.

As you can see, the parts are still up in the air, but I would not be the least bit surprised if there is some sort of three-way deal being formulated here, that uses NJ's trade exception to help balance off the salaries, to get around the BYC status.

[wdleehi]

They are not trading Yi.


He makes to much money for them.  There was a whole article about this in the offseason.

[BudweiserCeltic]

They are not trading Yi.


He makes to much money for them.  There was a whole article about this in the offseason.

I also read an article 2 years ago that said that KG was not interested in the Celtics. He changed his mind that same offseason.

[PosImpos]

Dooling and Hayes or maybe Williams.  That would be acceptable.

Yi?  We don't need a big Chinese stiff.

[P2]

Dooling and Hayes or maybe Williams.  That would be acceptable.

Yi?  We don't need a big Chinese stiff.

No need to get racist here.

[timepiece33]

Can't see NJ giving up Yi for Baby even if we throw in JR Giddens. 

[Surferdad]

Maybe you don't need Yi to make the numbers work?  Not sure how BYC impacts this, but the deal is essentially Daniels for Davis, with smaller parts moving to make the salaries work.

Even if a 3-way does not happen, I do think the NJ and IND deals depend upon each other.

[Evantime34]

I bet we end up getting more than just Yi in a sign and trade. Yi/Sean Wiliams/future first is what I think.

[Chris]

Maybe you don't need Yi to make the numbers work?  Not sure how BYC impacts this, but the deal is essentially Daniels for Davis, with smaller parts moving to make the salaries work.

Even if a 3-way does not happen, I do think the NJ and IND deals depend upon each other.

You don't, you can substitute someone like Dooling, Hayes (and another filler contract), or Najera, and still make it work with minimal tweaking.  There are a lot of possibilities to make this trade happen, but I think the key is that they have a trade exception to take on a guy like Tony Allen's contract, so Indy can do the sign and trade without taking on salary.

[Surferdad]

Maybe you don't need Yi to make the numbers work?  Not sure how BYC impacts this, but the deal is essentially Daniels for Davis, with smaller parts moving to make the salaries work.

Even if a 3-way does not happen, I do think the NJ and IND deals depend upon each other.

You don't, you can substitute someone like Dooling, Hayes (and another filler contract), or Najera, and still make it work with minimal tweaking.  There are a lot of possibilities to make this trade happen, but I think the key is that they have a trade exception to take on a guy like Tony Allen's contract, so Indy can do the sign and trade without taking on salary.

I think you're right.  Bird already made a value judgement on Daniels and decided to save the money, so it's not logical for him to get into cap problems now, especially for a guy (TA) that's not even as good.

[Chris]

Maybe you don't need Yi to make the numbers work?  Not sure how BYC impacts this, but the deal is essentially Daniels for Davis, with smaller parts moving to make the salaries work.

Even if a 3-way does not happen, I do think the NJ and IND deals depend upon each other.

You don't, you can substitute someone like Dooling, Hayes (and another filler contract), or Najera, and still make it work with minimal tweaking.  There are a lot of possibilities to make this trade happen, but I think the key is that they have a trade exception to take on a guy like Tony Allen's contract, so Indy can do the sign and trade without taking on salary.

I think you're right.  Bird already made a value judgement on Daniels and decided to save the money, so it's not logical for him to get into cap problems now, especially for a guy (TA) that's not even as good.

Right, and for NJ, who are well under the luxury tax line, it won't hurt them much at all to take on Allen's contract, and doing that in order to facilitate a trade that gets them Davis (while saving the MLE), would probably go a long way to appeasing the C's on Davis' value.

[P2]

As you can see, the parts are still up in the air, but I would not be the least bit surprised if there is some sort of three-way deal being formulated here, that uses NJ's trade exception to help balance off the salaries, to get around the BYC status.

No that I thought about it again, it basically has to be a 3-team trade. I tried several trade possibilities involving only NJ, and it doesn't work either way, because Baby's salary only counts as half the salary outgoing from us, but the full salary incoming for the Nets.

[BudweiserCeltic]

As you can see, the parts are still up in the air, but I would not be the least bit surprised if there is some sort of three-way deal being formulated here, that uses NJ's trade exception to help balance off the salaries, to get around the BYC status.

No that I thought about it again, it basically has to be a 3-team trade. I tried several trade possibilities involving only NJ, and it doesn't work either way, because Baby's salary only counts as half the salary outgoing from us, but the full salary incoming for the Nets.

NJ is under the cap... these rules don't apply to them unless the trade puts them over the cap. If Baby gets about a 4million contract, they should be able to do a 2 for 2 trade easily.

[P2]

As you can see, the parts are still up in the air, but I would not be the least bit surprised if there is some sort of three-way deal being formulated here, that uses NJ's trade exception to help balance off the salaries, to get around the BYC status.

No that I thought about it again, it basically has to be a 3-team trade. I tried several trade possibilities involving only NJ, and it doesn't work either way, because Baby's salary only counts as half the salary outgoing from us, but the full salary incoming for the Nets.

NJ is under the cap... these rules don't apply to them unless the trade puts them over the cap. If Baby gets about a 4million contract, they should be able to do a 2 for 2 trade easily.

Can you please explain this using an actual trade possibility?

[Chris]

As you can see, the parts are still up in the air, but I would not be the least bit surprised if there is some sort of three-way deal being formulated here, that uses NJ's trade exception to help balance off the salaries, to get around the BYC status.

No that I thought about it again, it basically has to be a 3-team trade. I tried several trade possibilities involving only NJ, and it doesn't work either way, because Baby's salary only counts as half the salary outgoing from us, but the full salary incoming for the Nets.

NJ is under the cap... these rules don't apply to them unless the trade puts them over the cap. If Baby gets about a 4million contract, they should be able to do a 2 for 2 trade easily.

Good point.  I think they are only about $2 million under the cap, but if they are sending out some salary this would work. 

Does anyone know if they have to give up their MLE to make a trade using their cap space, or is that only if they want to sign someone using their cap space?  So could they trade say, Yi for Davis and then still use their MLE on someone else?  Roy?