2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[indeedproceed]

in those stats you provided, what are mins played for each player?

[Rondo2287]

in those stats you provided, what are mins played for each player?

hold on this may take a min

[Rondo2287]

Finley vs Parker (7 games)Finley leads 4-3
Finley:13.3 pts, 4 rbs, 2 ass, .4 stl    30 min
Parker: 6.3 pts, 1.9 rbs, 1.1 ass, .6 stl  26 min

Warrick vs Balkman (7 Games)Balkman leads 5-2
Warrick:13.4 pts, 6.6 rbs, .9 ass, .7 stls  29 min
Balkman:5.1 pts, 4.9rbs, .9 ass, 1.3 stls   16 min     Didnt realize, that does skew things

Big Z vs Joe Smith(17 games) Big z 11-6 
Big Z:13.5 pts, 8.9 rbs, 2ass, 2.3 blk      30 min
Joe Smith: 9.6 pts, 5.6 rbs, .8 ass, .6 blks  25 min

You got a seasoned vet in both Big Z and Finley with Finals experience.  And I think I win big in the matchup of energy guys off the bench.  And then I also have belinelli who I dont want to give a ton of minutes but could see some action as a scorer off the bench.  I mean he is kinda a one trick pony but the guy can shoot. And Barea has also done a great job as a backup running an offense. 

[indeedproceed]

I mean I like Big Z for you, but between Big Z, Garnett and Camby you've got the same "fingers crossed" problem that Portland does..in that if any one of those guys goes down nobody else on you bench can even be a space filler.

Anthony Parker and Micheal Finely seem like they fill different roles to me. Finely is more of a sporadic offensive option, bordering on a one dimesnional shooter at this point. I also think playing Finley at the 2 against Brewer or Pargo is wishful thinking.

Parker is a viable 2/3, Finely is more of a 3/small ball 4..which you can run because Garnett is such a good rebounding presence.

I'm not sure comparing them directly makes sense, it would make more sense to compare Balkman and Finley..and in that situation I think Balkman plays better defense and hustles/rebounds better, Finley shoots better, but a lot better.

How many mins are you looking at giving Big Z in the playoff series against Philly?

[nickagneta]

Rondo when Joe Smith comes in he is not going to be guarding Ilgauskas.

When Smith comes in more than likely Kwhit will have Okafor move to center and take out Bynum or leave Bynum in and have Joe Smith at PF. Either way, Smith will never guard Ilgauskas. Also Balkman is a SF and you have him matched up versus Warrick a PF. I doubt those two ever actually guarded each other ever.

Those stats and matchups you are giving have been rather misleading. Why don't you instead discuss how the teams play in their current state instead of years ago and discuss matchups that will actually happen.

Philly has their starters on the floor and bring in Smith and Parker while taking out Brewer and Bynum, what do you do?

Philly Sends Bynum back in and takes out Okafor and sends in Pargo for Davis, what are your matchups then?

Philly sends the starters back out but sends Melo to the bench for a few minutes and sends in Balkman, what then?

Instead of these numbers and misleading matchups, discuss what you are going to do in real games situations. Convince me in those situations that you are better and I will edit my vote.

[KCattheStripe]

Rondo when Joe Smith comes in he is not going to be guarding I Convince me in those situations that you are better and I will edit my vote.

I smell controversy!

[Rondo2287]

Jeez lots of controversy here.  Kwhitt said in his previous matchups that he would be playing balkman at the 3/4.  Thats why I have him matched up on Warrick because I can also see myself giving Warrick some time at the 3. 

And Ill tell you what, Z plays okafor evenly in all their previous matchups.  And If you have z and KG in their if Joe smith is guarding KG I would absolutely love that, thats if Okafor moves over to z.

And again in both of these situations we are moving okafor away from the basket where he isnt a shot blocking threat. 

And for the record, z has owned bynum as well
Z: 18pts, 6.4 rbs, 2 blks
Bynum: 10.3 pts, 4.3rbs, 1 blk

So im not sure there is a matchup in the front court that I feel uncomfortable with. 

[JSD]

Editing a vote is against the rules.

[Rondo2287]

And Again tell me how Brewer and Davis can drive the basketball on Garnett and Camby with okafor and Bynum crowding the lane.  There is no space down there, it wouldnt work.  

And again, Davis shot 37% from the field last year and 30% from 3.  Not a shot at davis because he scores in other ways, but I dont think he will be as effective in this situation.  

[Donoghus]

Editing a vote is against the rules.

Has someone did this today?

[nickagneta]

Editing a vote is against the rules.

All it would do is nullify my vote. So if he could somehow convince me that I made a mistake I would nullify my one vote, not the entire process.

[Rondo2287]

No nick I dont want you to edit your vote.  I dont want you to bring this round into question with loopholes.  No offense its just not worth the trouble to me. 

[nickagneta]

And Again tell me how Brewer and Davis can drive the basketball on Garnett and Camby with okafor and Bynum crowding the lane.  There is no space down there, it wouldnt work.  

And again, Davis shot 37% from the field last year and 30% from 3.  Not a shot at davis because he scores in other ways, but I dont think he will be as effective in this situation.  

High post pick and switches. Double big man screens on the same side of the floor. Playing Smith 10 minutes apiece with Bynum and Okafor as he can hit a mid range jumper. Have the driver drive from the baseline while kicking out up top to revolve back around after the switch underneath. Tons and tons of ways to get lanes open.

[Rondo2287]

Ok well if you play smith then its KG on Smith Since Smith wont play the center position.  Kg on smith I will take all day both on the offensive and defensive ends, and Again then you take KG out to midrange where he can still recover to challenge shots as well as havent removed camby from the middle.

[Rondo2287]

I mean his big argument was that Okafor slows down KG and now you are talking about switching okafor off KG for a good portion of the game which then just brings the advantage back in my favor