2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Rondo2287]

Again man, me cherrypicking one game is just as fair as you only looking at numbers from boston.  When he chose not to take as much of offensive burden.  Thats why I am looking at the ballance of their career matchup.  

Again I think the brewer matchup is a good one for you, but I think this one is definitly a big one in my favor

You need to rethink that stats from the last two years is cherry picking.  Garnett is not the same player he was in 2005 and neither is Okafor.

Ok but we both know that he is still capable of putting up 25 points on a given night.  Which is because his offensive talent is still there, he just doesnt need to use it as much in boston to create shots for Ray and Pierce. 

And I think the fact that KG draws Okafor away from the basket is  huge for me because it takes a shot blocker away from the post and leave KG open to face up on him or either shoot over him or drive around him. 

[Kwhit10]

Again man, me cherrypicking one game is just as fair as you only looking at numbers from boston.  When he chose not to take as much of offensive burden.  Thats why I am looking at the ballance of their career matchup.  

Again I think the brewer matchup is a good one for you, but I think this one is definitly a big one in my favor

You need to rethink that stats from the last two years is cherry picking.  Garnett is not the same player he was in 2005 and neither is Okafor.

Ok but we both know that he is still capable of putting up 25 points on a given night.  Which is because his offensive talent is still there, he just doesnt need to use it as much in boston to create shots for Ray and Pierce. 

And I think the fact that KG draws Okafor away from the basket is  huge for me because it takes a shot blocker away from the post and leave KG open to face up on him or either shoot over him or drive around him. 

I said it was stats from 8 games it was 4 games sorry (8 lines of data).

But in those 4 games Boston was 2-2 verse an inferior team.  So much for Garnett drawing out Okafor to benefit the team.  I'd say my team is a alot better than Charlotte was and yours is not as offensivel gifted as Boston is.

[Rondo2287]

I thought we couldnt look at overall team record as a factor???

And watching those games do you really think as a boston fan, Garnett was the reason we lost? 

[KCattheStripe]

Again man, me cherrypicking one game is just as fair as you only looking at numbers from boston.  When he chose not to take as much of offensive burden.  Thats why I am looking at the ballance of their career matchup.  

Again I think the brewer matchup is a good one for you, but I think this one is definitly a big one in my favor

You need to rethink that stats from the last two years is cherry picking.  Garnett is not the same player he was in 2005 and neither is Okafor.

Ok but we both know that he is still capable of putting up 25 points on a given night.  Which is because his offensive talent is still there, he just doesnt need to use it as much in boston to create shots for Ray and Pierce. 

And I think the fact that KG draws Okafor away from the basket is  huge for me because it takes a shot blocker away from the post and leave KG open to face up on him or either shoot over him or drive around him. 

I said it was stats from 8 games it was 4 games sorry (8 lines of data).

But in those 4 games Boston was 2-2 verse an inferior team.  So much for Garnett drawing out Okafor to benefit the team.  I'd say my team is a alot better than Charlotte was and yours is not as offensivel gifted as Boston is.

I would agree with this assessment.

[KCattheStripe]

I thought we couldnt look at overall team record as a factor???

And watching those games do you really think as a boston fan, Garnett was the reason we lost? 

He certainly wasn't the reason we won the others.

[Rondo2287]

I thought we couldnt look at overall team record as a factor???

And watching those games do you really think as a boston fan, Garnett was the reason we lost? 

He certainly wasn't the reason we won the others.

January 1st 2008

Garnett: 24 pts, 8 rbs, 4 ass, 2 blks .615%
Okafor: 8 pts, 3rbs, 2 ass,1 blk, .400%


Ya man screw that peformance.  would have been better off with him on the bench..

[Rondo2287]

Im still looking at the bench though because as I said, I think our starting lineups are remarably even which is why it was so close for the division.  And dont get me wrong Kwhitt, I think you did a really great job putting your team together but I still gotta rep myself you know.

Finley vs Parker (7 games)Finley leads 4-3
Finley:13.3 pts, 4 rbs, 2 ass, .4 stl
Parker: 6.3 pts, 1.9 rbs, 1.1 ass, .6 stl

Warrick vs Balkman (7 Games)Balkman leads 5-2
Warrick:13.4 pts, 6.6 rbs, .9 ass, .7 stls
Balkman:5.1 pts, 4.9rbs, .9 ass, 1.3 stls



Big Z vs Joe Smith(17 games) Big z 11-6
Big Z:13.5 pts, 8.9 rbs, 2ass, 2.3 blk
Joe Smith: 9.6 pts, 5.6 rbs, .8 ass, .6 blks

[Kwhit10]

I made another mistake those stats are from  games over the last two years where Chalotte was 3-2 verse Boston

Garnett avg, 15ppg, 10pg, 1.8blk
Okafor avg, 11ppg, 9rpg, 2blk

also bringing in the team wins, you thought Garnett would open things up for your team, but it didn'nt really do that against Okafor's inferior teams.

Look Garnett is a great player and I really like him, but he hasn't done that well against Okafor since coming to Boston compared to his averages.

[KCattheStripe]

I thought we couldnt look at overall team record as a factor???

And watching those games do you really think as a boston fan, Garnett was the reason we lost? 

He certainly wasn't the reason we won the others.

January 1st 2008

Garnett: 24 pts, 8 rbs, 4 ass, 2 blks .615%
Okafor: 8 pts, 3rbs, 2 ass,1 blk, .400%


Ya man screw that peformance.  would have been better off with him on the bench..

They lost that game...


Okafor also only played 23 minutes, I'm assuming he was hurt.

[Rondo2287]

I thought we couldnt look at overall team record as a factor???

And watching those games do you really think as a boston fan, Garnett was the reason we lost? 

He certainly wasn't the reason we won the others.

January 1st 2008

Garnett: 24 pts, 8 rbs, 4 ass, 2 blks .615%
Okafor: 8 pts, 3rbs, 2 ass,1 blk, .400%


Ya man screw that peformance.  would have been better off with him on the bench..

They lost that game...

I know but im saying he cant be considered the reason we lost.  I mean I really find it hard to believe after watching KG play you guys would prefer Okafor

[KCattheStripe]

I thought we couldnt look at overall team record as a factor???

And watching those games do you really think as a boston fan, Garnett was the reason we lost? 

He certainly wasn't the reason we won the others.

January 1st 2008

Garnett: 24 pts, 8 rbs, 4 ass, 2 blks .615%
Okafor: 8 pts, 3rbs, 2 ass,1 blk, .400%


Ya man screw that peformance.  would have been better off with him on the bench..

They lost that game...

I know but im saying he cant be considered the reason we lost.  I mean I really find it hard to believe after watching KG play you guys would prefer Okafor

I don't but Okafor plays him pretty well most nights, and I don't think KG is enough to put you over the top offensively. Also, my point was KG wasn't the reason we won any of the games over the 'Cats either. Ray played a much bigger part.

[Kwhit10]

Im still looking at the bench though because as I said, I think our starting lineups are remarably even which is why it was so close for the division.  And dont get me wrong Kwhitt, I think you did a really great job putting your team together but I still gotta rep myself you know. I wouldn't expect anything less 

Finley vs Parker (7 games)Finley leads 4-3
Finley:13.3 pts, 4 rbs, 2 ass, .4 stl
Parker: 6.3 pts, 1.9 rbs, 1.1 ass, .6 stl

Warrick vs Balkman (7 Games)Balkman leads 5-2
Warrick:13.4 pts, 6.6 rbs, .9 ass, .7 stls
Balkman:5.1 pts, 4.9rbs, .9 ass, 1.3 stls



Big Z vs Joe Smith(17 games) Big z 11-6
Big Z:13.5 pts, 8.9 rbs, 2ass, 2.3 blk
Joe Smith: 9.6 pts, 5.6 rbs, .8 ass, .6 blks

Big Z won't put up those numbers coming off the bench.  Balkman will play SF where I believe Warrick will be playing for you at PF.

Last year

Finley: 8ppg, 3rpg, 1apg, shot 50% and 33%
Parker: 9ppg, 4rpg, 2.5apg shot 50% and 60%

[Rondo2287]

I gotta argue you here though Kwhitt.

You say Okafor has held him significantly below his averages in boston,

But in those games that you mentioned

His points go down by two, his rebounds go up, blocks go up, assists go up


These are based on his averages in his two years with Boston

[Rondo2287]

Comon Kwhit, thats two games, How is it cherrypicking for me and not for you?

and Warrick is a 4/3 guy that I can play at the three just like you can play balkman at the 4 which is why i matched them up on eachother since they both play the energy roles off the bench. 

And I know Z wont put up those numbers off the bench but smith isnt gonna score 10 points either. Im just pointing out that Z gets the better of the matchup

[Kwhit10]

I gotta argue you here though Kwhitt.

You say Okafor has held him significantly below his averages in boston,

But in those games that you mentioned

His points go down by two, his rebounds go up, blocks go up, assists go up


These are based on his averages in his two years with Boston

Last year he went from 15.8ppg, 8.5rpg, 53% shooting
to 12ppg, 10rpg, on 36% shooting.

Over the two years it goes fom 17.5ppg to 15ppg, RPG go up by one shooting goes down.

I know his rebounds went up, but his FG% and points went down.  This is the most significant aspect since you're looking to have KG be you leading scorer.