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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1065 on: August 13, 2009, 12:21:55 PM »

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I guess I never realized how people though about the southeast before today

How do you mean? As in you didn't think they had 2 playoff teams, or you didn't think any team in the southeast was better than the top 3 teams in the atlantic?

I mean I thought they had 2 playoff teams but Im seeing a good amount of people keeping Washington out which I dont agree with.

If you look through that press conference, you will see a few that said this and the reasons why.
Yeah, I saw where someone suggested I should have chosen Joe Johnson over Stephen Jackson as a better fit for my team but didn't realize that Johnson was chosen two picks before Jackson. Or that I should have chosen OJ Mayo instead of Jackson even though I already had Kevin Martin.

That person rated my team 13th so I'll take that for what it's worth.


Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1066 on: August 13, 2009, 12:27:16 PM »

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Nutshell:


1. Chicago
2. Orlando

- could have went either way
- easier division
- superstar pg's don't win championships but win in the Reg season.

3. Boston
4. Philly
5. NJ
6. Toronto

- Tough as nails division
- Less of a consensus on here if this wasn't Celticsblog (but more if it were heatblog).  ;)


7. Washington
8. Cleveland
9. NY
10 Detroit

I think all these teams are cusp playoff teams.


12 Milwaukee - Strong candidate for T of F.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1067 on: August 13, 2009, 12:32:04 PM »

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If we do the average vs the multiply then tally, its different.



Your averaging seems to be wrong, IP. 

Team 1:  1 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 4 = 12.  12/5 = 2.4

Team 2:  1 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 5 = 16.  16/5 = 3.2

Team 3:  1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 11.  11/5 = 2.2

Team 4:  2 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 16.  16/5 = 3.2

Team 5:  3 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 5 = 20.  20/5 = 4.0

To break a tie, I'd suggest by going with who got more 1st place votes (and if those are tied, 2nd place votes and so on).

Thus, rank goes: Team 3, Team 1, Team 2, Team 4, Team 5.

Doing it the other way (where first counts for 5 points and so on):

Team 1:  5 + 5 + 4 + 2 + 2 = 18

Team 2:  5 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 14

Team 3: 5 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 = 19

Team 4: 4 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 14

Team 5: 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 10

So, again there's a tie, and again the tie-breaker should go to the team with the most first place votes, giving us rankings of:

Team 3, Team 1, Team 2, Team 4, Team 5.

They're the same.

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1068 on: August 13, 2009, 12:34:12 PM »

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I got a question though. If team x gets the most votes to win a division, but then gets some low votes that will drag down the average.  Shouldent they still win that division?
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1069 on: August 13, 2009, 12:35:41 PM »

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I got a question though. If team x gets the most votes to win a division, but then gets some low votes that will drag down the average.  Shouldent they still win that division?

It was discussed, but Dons made the call to go by raw score.

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1070 on: August 13, 2009, 12:40:22 PM »

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If we do the average vs the multiply then tally, its different.



Your averaging seems to be wrong, IP. 

Team 1:  1 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 4 = 12.  12/5 = 2.4

Team 2:  1 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 5 = 16.  16/5 = 3.2

Team 3:  1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 11.  11/5 = 2.2

Team 4:  2 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 16.  16/5 = 3.2

Team 5:  3 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 5 = 20.  20/5 = 4.0

To break a tie, I'd suggest by going with who got more 1st place votes (and if those are tied, 2nd place votes and so on).

Thus, rank goes: Team 3, Team 1, Team 2, Team 4, Team 5.

Doing it the other way (where first counts for 5 points and so on):

Team 1:  5 + 5 + 4 + 2 + 2 = 18

Team 2:  5 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 14

Team 3: 5 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 = 19

Team 4: 4 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 14

Team 5: 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 10

So, again there's a tie, and again the tie-breaker should go to the team with the most first place votes, giving us rankings of:

Team 3, Team 1, Team 2, Team 4, Team 5.

They're the same.

You're right. I was just lookin at it and realized this. I pressed reply to do my mia culpa and there you were, Roy. There you were.

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1071 on: August 13, 2009, 12:41:42 PM »

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You're right. I was just lookin at it and realized this. I pressed reply to do my mia culpa and there you were, Roy. There you were.

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1072 on: August 13, 2009, 12:46:41 PM »

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So just wondering how voting irregularities might be handled, if there are any.

Let's just say for example a team, after 20 votes is averaging somewhere in the 11th-12th place for conference and then owner of said team votes his team first in the conference.

Will that vote stand?

Just wondering?

In the same vein, the 14th place vote for New York seems a little low.  Was that due solely to the fact that NY didn't post its own picks / defend its team, or do you not like the players?
Here's my reasoning on New York in 14th.

Deron Williams - excellent PG who needs great players around him to make him great unlike CP3 who is a great player that makes other players great. I hope that makes sense.

Vince Carter - over the hill loser who couldn't win with great players like Kidd, Jefferson and others with him when they and he were in their prime. Today he's a chucker with no heart and little to no defense.

Kendrick Perkins - great defender with little to no offensive game that has chronic shoulder problems and could be an unknown because of them.

Marvin Williams - soft player, soft defender that disapppears not only for quarters at a time but for games at a time.

Nenad Krstic - maybe one of the worst rebounding seven footers ever who has always been a hooribly inefficient scorer. Not a good combo.

Jason Maxiell - think Leon Powe without the ability to put points on the board because he has bad low post moves, can't get to the line and is a horrible FT shooter.

Thabo Sefolosha - another really bad offensive player that is okay defensively but nothing to write home about.

Keyon Dooling, Luke Walton, Rasho Nesterovic, Greg Buckner, DeMarre Carroll, Rodrigue Beaubois, Victor Claver, Toney Douglas  - do I really have to go into detail about how inexperienced, mediocre, or just plain bad any of these players are.

Who on this team is going to score other than Williams and Carter? And once defenses sag off everyone else to play a zone and force Willaims and Carter to try to do everything from the outside they are dead. Williams needs good to great players to rack up his 10-11 APG. With this offensively challenged group, he won't beat out Rondo or Calderon or TJ Ford in the assist per game race.

The team is horribly constructed offensively and really has maybe 2 good defenders in perk and Thabo. After that, they aren't that good defensively either. So they can't score and can't stop teams from scoring and have to play 20 games in the toughest division in the league.

This team tanks bad.

Oh, and their GM can't refute any of this because he hasn't posted a post on this site since August 16, 2008.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1073 on: August 13, 2009, 12:58:14 PM »

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Oh, and their GM can't refute any of this because he hasn't posted a post on this site since August 16, 2008.

Ugh...
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1074 on: August 13, 2009, 01:05:37 PM »

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Like all GMs the Bulls hyped their guys.... one guy (SF James Johnson) is worrying the real bulls (the CBNBA Bulls had posted a bunch of stuff from David Thorpe (who's missed on a lot of guys)):

from the new ChicagoNow blog (agregates a bunch of blogs,... sort of):
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/08/james-johnson-needs-to-turn-it-up-a-notch.html

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The Bulls are privately concerned about his work ethic and attitude which was the one area I had some concerns with myself.   With Johnson, the talent is obviously there, but the fact that he gained so much body fat after his college season ended prior to the official NBA predraft workouts planted a red flag on him.
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1075 on: August 13, 2009, 01:09:56 PM »

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Like all GMs the Bulls hyped their guys.... one guy (SF James Johnson) is worrying the real bulls (the CBNBA Bulls had posted a bunch of stuff from David Thorpe (who's missed on a lot of guys)):

from the new ChicagoNow blog (agregates a bunch of blogs,... sort of):
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/08/james-johnson-needs-to-turn-it-up-a-notch.html

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The Bulls are privately concerned about his work ethic and attitude which was the one area I had some concerns with myself.   With Johnson, the talent is obviously there, but the fact that he gained so much body fat after his college season ended prior to the official NBA predraft workouts planted a red flag on him.

Not sure why you're posting this here GC ??? but I'd rather my rookie 12 or 13 man have his work ethic questioned than a guy someone's counting on to start in Charlie V.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1076 on: August 13, 2009, 01:11:37 PM »

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Like all GMs the Bulls hyped their guys.... one guy (SF James Johnson) is worrying the real bulls (the CBNBA Bulls had posted a bunch of stuff from David Thorpe (who's missed on a lot of guys)):

from the new ChicagoNow blog (agregates a bunch of blogs,... sort of):
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/08/james-johnson-needs-to-turn-it-up-a-notch.html

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The Bulls are privately concerned about his work ethic and attitude which was the one area I had some concerns with myself.   With Johnson, the talent is obviously there, but the fact that he gained so much body fat after his college season ended prior to the official NBA predraft workouts planted a red flag on him.

Not sure why you're posting this here GC ??? but I'd rather my rookie 12 or 13 man have his work ethic questioned than a guy someone's counting on to start in Charlie V.

True.  GC probably should have posted this in the draft thread.  Maybe we should go place it there, too.  ;)

Seriously, though, since this is the place where we debate rosters and the voting, why is it inappropriate?

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1077 on: August 13, 2009, 01:13:12 PM »

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I of course like this quote from the same article:

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One source within the organization said he expects forgotten man Taj Gibson to have a bigger impact than Johnson in their rookie years.  There seemed to be an air of pessimism in general over what Johnson will provide out of the gates especially among those working out with him. 

Go, Taj!  We knew you could do it!

(But if you can't, that's okay, since we're counting on you to be a D-Leaguer, not a member of our rotation.)

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1078 on: August 13, 2009, 01:14:10 PM »

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I just posted my votes. If anyone has an issue, call me out in PM, rather than here. I won't be checking this thread again until the weekend, when I am back in the States.

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« Reply #1079 on: August 13, 2009, 01:17:26 PM »

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I of course like this quote from the same article:

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One source within the organization said he expects forgotten man Taj Gibson to have a bigger impact than Johnson in their rookie years.  There seemed to be an air of pessimism in general over what Johnson will provide out of the gates especially among those working out with him. 

Go, Taj!  We knew you could do it!

(But if you can't, that's okay, since we're counting on you to be a D-Leaguer, not a member of our rotation.)

I knew it! Roy is the source of this bogus info ;) 

Regarding GC posting it, and I know you disagree with this, but I just think its better to point out one's teams pluses instead of attack other teams. That's the nastiness I have spoken against. Once one person attacks, obviously the other will come back most likely. That's my 2 cents.