2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Rondo2287]

And I appreciate your guys feedback.  I just think when it comes to Artest, we recognize that he can be a problem, but I also think that he will defer to KG since it is Kevin's team.  Even last year, Ron didnt cause a problem and that was with Tmac and Yao competing for shot and a shoot first point guard in Alston for half the year.  '

And I completely took your word for the fact that he said that.  Didnt doubt it for a second.

[KCattheStripe]

So what's the verdict?

PG:Tony parker/JJ Barea
SG: Daequann Cook/ Mo Evans
SF: Rudy Gay/ Omri
PF: Diaw/ Bargs
C: Lopez/ Bargs

Yes, we think the 2 guard should be improved. but we would like to point out that Cook played major minutes for a Miami Heat team that made the playoffs this past year. He did so because his 3-Point shooting worked well in sets where D-Wade controlled the ball and could drive and kick. We think pairing him with TP should have the same effect, especially with a SF like Rudy on the opposite Wing. but yeah, he's not exactly controlling our team's future.

Only 9 guys, KC?

Absolutely our biggest problem.

[nickagneta]

Okay at the beginning of the day I didn't have much to comment on but I'm about done now, one day later. I was going for a Future Team but I think I can actually compete for the Southeast title and get a 3 seed in the playoffs.

Andris Biedrins/Aaron Gray/Hilton Armstrong
Ryan Anderson/James Singleton/Darrell Arthur
Stephen Jackson/Wally Szczerbiak/Austin Daye
Kevin Martin/C.J. Watson 
Raymond Felton/Anthony Carter

I envision a starting five of Felton, Martin, Jackson, Anderson, and Biedrins. I like Anderson starting because he's a good defender and decent defensive rebounder but on offense I can play him on the high post setting screens for the very athletic wings and pick and roll and pick and pops with Felton as Anderson is a very good 3 point shooter for a PF.

I envision the wing position being pretty much a three person rotation with combos of Martin/Jackson, Martin/Wally, and Jackson moving to the 2 when Martin sit for a Jackson/Wally combo though this will be the least used as Daye might get minutes in alongside Jackson instead of Wally.

I like the leadership Carter brings to the second unit at the PG position and if he falters or the matchup is better, I can go to Watson for some instant offense from the PG position as he is an outstanding 3 point shooter.

Up front Anderson and Biedrins will see the majority of the minutes but since both can get into foul trouble at times I'll be having Gray and Singleton coming off the bench for offense and Armstrong for shot blocking and Arthur for defense. All are pretty good rebounders and Biedrins is an outstanding rebounder.

The frontcourt will not be the focus of the offense but I think both Biedrins and Gray have okay low post offense and think Anderson stretches the floor well. With Felton penetrating and dishing and the starting wings taking it to the basket I look for a lot of dishes to wide open centers and PFs.

And of course with Van Gundy coaching you know team defense will be stressed.

That's the plan, what do you guys think?

[Scribbles]

Utah Jazz through 11th round

PG-Billups        Dragic
SG-CJ Miles      Flip Murray
SF-Dunleavy      A. Wright
PF-Dirk              Collison  Songalia
C-Kaman           R. Lopez  Songalia

What do you think? 

[johnnyrondo]

And I appreciate your guys feedback.  I just think when it comes to Artest, we recognize that he can be a problem, but I also think that he will defer to KG since it is Kevin's team.  Even last year, Ron didnt cause a problem and that was with Tmac and Yao competing for shot and a shoot first point guard in Alston for half the year.  '

And I completely took your word for the fact that he said that.  Didnt doubt it for a second.

I think Artest would behave with KG. Part of the reason I wanted the real C's to go after him on July 1st

[celtsrp33]

How do you guys think my team would stack up with the rest in 3-5 years?

PG - Ramon Sessions
SG - Nick Young
SF - Nicolas Batum
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C -  Spencer Hawes

Bench: James Harden, Marreese Speights, Anthony Morrow, JJ Redick, Yi Jianlian ,Jordan Hill

Who are you building around?

Only time will tell....  But we believe that Hawes, Speights and Harden will all be stars in this league in the next few years. 

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

Honestly nick I did not like a number of the players on your team just as players in the real NBA, but I kinda like what you've done here offensively. Anyone in your starting 5 is capable of putting up solid points on a given night in at least two ways, which is solid. I just have defensive questions with a few in the rotation. For example, players like Gray and Wally really can't move, and in my opinion can't be getting serious minutes for a team with division title aspirations. I like Darrell Arthur though, and he and Anderson can make an interesting PF tandem for awhile. Plenty of energy there. I'd play Hilton over Gray behind Biedrins and feel somewhat confident there, but I see the wing as a legitimate issue. Daye's no good this year in my opinion, and Wally is Wally. CJ Watson is too concerned with what hes gonna do with the ball to concentrate on defense, so I don't like that defensively, and Carter can't be a wing option. If you can address that, I'd feel more comfortable.

However, all in all I'm impressed with your ability to make me feel good about a roster filled with players I really don't like haha

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

Utah Jazz through 11th round

PG-Billups        Dragic
SG-CJ Miles      Flip Murray
SF-Dunleavy      A. Wright
PF-Dirk              Collison  Songalia
C-Kaman           R. Lopez  Songalia

What do you think? 

Love Billups running point, and Nowitzki is always legit. Those two alone make you worthy of playing in the vaunted Northwest

I like how CJ Miles will help with the defensive liabilities that Dunleavy presents. I really don't like Dunleavy as a player, but do like Miles. Do you trust Dragic as your primary backup point, or will Flip Murray handle the ballhandling, a whole other problem in itself. Collison and Lopez are very solid bangers as backup bigs so I like that a lot. Can't quite tell how I feel about Kaman, but you need a guy like him next to Dirk so that makes sense. Like Chauncey, Dirk, and Kaman, and Miles off the bench, but not a Dunleavy guy. I think you'll do fairly well.

[nickagneta]

Honestly nick I did not like a number of the players on your team just as players in the real NBA, but I kinda like what you've done here offensively. Anyone in your starting 5 is capable of putting up solid points on a given night in at least two ways, which is solid. I just have defensive questions with a few in the rotation. For example, players like Gray and Wally really can't move, and in my opinion can't be getting serious minutes for a team with division title aspirations. I like Darrell Arthur though, and he and Anderson can make an interesting PF tandem for awhile. Plenty of energy there. I'd play Hilton over Gray behind Biedrins and feel somewhat confident there, but I see the wing as a legitimate issue. Daye's no good this year in my opinion, and Wally is Wally. CJ Watson is too concerned with what hes gonna do with the ball to concentrate on defense, so I don't like that defensively, and Carter can't be a wing option. If you can address that, I'd feel more comfortable.

However, all in all I'm impressed with your ability to make me feel good about a roster filled with players I really don't like haha

Defense will definitely be an issue as it always is with young teams, and this team is young. But I'm confident that with Van Gundy installing a defensive system that is similar to what we see here in Boston in the real NBA, that that should lessen the individual difficiencies of the players.

I love Arthur and see him as a young Leon Powe without the knee problems. By the time he's 25 he will be better than the real, uninjured Leon was this year. The center backup will be up for grabs and I think could be fluid with Armstrong needed for his defense(he's a turnover machine and not a great offensive player) and Gray for his offense(he has a nice low post hook and plays okay back to basket if he gets his position, which he's good at). Gray's defense is not great as his speed, lateral movement and shot blocking abilities are bad.

I'm thinking of using Watson exclusively as a 2 guard and leaving Wally at small forward to go in with whoever is subbing for Anderson so that the floor stays spread with Wally's outside shooting. If Wally tries to drive to the basket or post up SFs word has it that Van Gundy will have him doing laps around the Mall in DC in the dead of winter if he does so even once.

I'm thinking Watson, Wally, Singleton, and Gray might be had in trades for the right fit but overall I love all the different skills the bench and team has. There's 3 point shooters(Wally, Anderson, Watson, Martin and Jackson on occasion), athleticism(Martin, Felton, Watson, Jackson, Anderson, Armstrong), size(Biedrins, Armstrong, Gray, Jackson at the 3, Martin at the 2 and Anderson and Singleton), speed(Felton, Martin, Jackson, Watson, Armstrong, Singleton, Arthur) and passing(Felton, Carter, Jackson, Anderson, Gray).

Beware: Let the DC Boxers hype machine begin!!!!

[Evantime34]

All right I've picked all my players time to talk about my team
1. Steve Nash/Eddie House/Jamaal Tinsley
2. Corey Maggette/Tyreke Evans/Ime Udoka
3. Luol Deng/Jason Kapono/DeMar Derozan
4. Carlos Boozer/Danilo Gallanari/Chuck Hayes
5. Memhet Okur/DeSagna Diop/Sean Williams

1. At the 1 I have a 2 time MVP who's a great shooter. Eddie will play some spot 1, but will also play some 2 with Evans at the one, Evans is tall enough to guard 2's but play the point. Tinsley if he has his head on straight is a great back up, I picked him so late that if he doesn't fit I will just cut him.

2. Corey Maggette is a big two that can capably guard other twos with his size or speed. Udoka can be brought in for defensive purposes to bother the better 2s in the league. Evans will get time at both guard spots but if he doesn't play well we have the veterans so that he isn't needed at either position.

3. Luol Deng is a long athletic player who can shut down the best threes and score very well. Kapono is one of my deadly three point shooters that I can bring off the bench, along with House and Galanari. DeRozan is a top 10 pick who will start the season as the 3rd string 3 so anything we get from him is a bonus

4. Carlos Boozer is one of the better pick and roll players in the league which is why him and Nash are a match made in heaven. Gallanari is three point shooting four who is perfect for the uptempo setting that GS runs. Chuck Hayes gives us a more traditional tough back up 4, that will play defense and rebound.

5. Memhet Okur is the perfect center to draw out Dwight Howard so that he has to play on the wing and can't block shots. He spreads the floor when we run the pick and roll and will get out and hit 3's when Nash runs. Diop is a tough defensive minded center who can clog space in the middle. Williams is an athletic shot blocker that is perfect for the Golden State system.

Our scheme with the first unit will be a slower version of the current Golden State team. Due to our ability to play in the half court and defend we feel that we will be better served in the playoffs playing this style.
The second unit however will really pick up the pace. Gallanari, Kapono and House are all deadly three point shooters, Evans will be adequate in this department. Evans best ability is his skill at driving with great shooters like these defenders will have trouble helping and he will have a field day.
My team has veterans at every position as well as great young players at every position (3 of which were top ten picks in the past two years).

[indeedproceed]

How do you guys think my team would stack up with the rest in 3-5 years?

PG - Ramon Sessions
SG - Nick Young
SF - Nicolas Batum
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C -  Spencer Hawes

Bench: James Harden, Marreese Speights, Anthony Morrow, JJ Redick, Yi Jianlian ,Jordan Hill

Who are you building around?

Only time will tell....  But we believe that Hawes, Speights and Harden will all be stars in this league in the next few years. 

Then why aren't you starting them?

[Edgar]

End of the day

another team with full roster

your Portland CrotorNats

C:   Shaq/Brad Miller
P.F: J. O`neil/Ronny Turiaf/Taj Gibson
S.F: Rashard Lewis/Ryan Gomes/Dudley
S.G: Michael Redd/Manu Ginobili/Ross/Delfino
P.G: Mike Bibby/Delonte West/Jrue

[Scribbles]

All right I've picked all my players time to talk about my team
1. Steve Nash/Eddie House/Jamaal Tinsley
2. Corey Maggette/Tyreke Evans/Ime Udoka
3. Luol Deng/Jason Kapono/DeMar Derozan
4. Carlos Boozer/Danilo Gallanari/Chuck Hayes
5. Memhet Okur/DeSagna Diop/Sean Williams

1. At the 1 I have a 2 time MVP who's a great shooter. Eddie will play some spot 1, but will also play some 2 with Evans at the one, Evans is tall enough to guard 2's but play the point. Tinsley if he has his head on straight is a great back up, I picked him so late that if he doesn't fit I will just cut him.

2. Corey Maggette is a big two that can capably guard other twos with his size or speed. Udoka can be brought in for defensive purposes to bother the better 2s in the league. Evans will get time at both guard spots but if he doesn't play well we have the veterans so that he isn't needed at either position.

3. Luol Deng is a long athletic player who can shut down the best threes and score very well. Kapono is one of my deadly three point shooters that I can bring off the bench, along with House and Galanari. DeRozan is a top 10 pick who will start the season as the 3rd string 3 so anything we get from him is a bonus

4. Carlos Boozer is one of the better pick and roll players in the league which is why him and Nash are a match made in heaven. Gallanari is three point shooting four who is perfect for the uptempo setting that GS runs. Chuck Hayes gives us a more traditional tough back up 4, that will play defense and rebound.

5. Memhet Okur is the perfect center to draw out Dwight Howard so that he has to play on the wing and can't block shots. He spreads the floor when we run the pick and roll and will get out and hit 3's when Nash runs. Diop is a tough defensive minded center who can clog space in the middle. Williams is an athletic shot blocker that is perfect for the Golden State system.

Our scheme with the first unit will be a slower version of the current Golden State team. Due to our ability to play in the half court and defend we feel that we will be better served in the playoffs playing this style.
The second unit however will really pick up the pace. Gallanari, Kapono and House are all deadly three point shooters, Evans will be adequate in this department. Evans best ability is his skill at driving with great shooters like these defenders will have trouble helping and he will have a field day.
My team has veterans at every position as well as great young players at every position (3 of which were top ten picks in the past two years).

I like your team on the offensive end, but defensivly, rebounding, and health will be major issues for your squad.   Okur isn't that great a rebounder.  He is an underrated defender however.  Boozer doesn't play much defense at all and is really your only rebounder, plus he only played 30 something games last year.  

Nash is still a top 5 PG in the league, but how much left do you think he has in the tank?  Deng was hurt last season for around 20+ games.  Can your team afford to lose him for that many games?  I'm also not a fan of Maggette, though he fits an up tempo system well.  

Your bench has a lot of unproven players outside House, J.K. and Hayes.  Diop will give you some shot blocking/rebounding but that's it.  Gallanari is more of a small forward and I think he's not ready to be a primetime back up yet, which is why I liked when you picked up Hayes.  I think Evans is going to be similar to Tony Allen.  Other questions on the bench are what happens when Eddie or Kapono are struggling shooting, can Sean Williams actually focus on basketball, and how will Tinsley effect your locker room?  

I think you're a playoff team, but in a 7 game series with your bench, and teams that actually play defense, your team is going to struggle IMO.  

Just my two cents.  

[Edgar]

C:   Shaq/Brad Miller
P.F: J. O`neil/Ronny Turiaf/Taj Gibson
S.F: Rashard Lewis/Ryan Gomes/Dudley
S.G: Michael Redd/Manu Ginobili/Ross/Delfino
P.G: Mike Bibby/Delonte West/Jrue

thank u , thank u, thank u..... waiting for 2010 draft, portland CrotorNats congratulates all the runner ups

[Evantime34]

All right I've picked all my players time to talk about my team
1. Steve Nash/Eddie House/Jamaal Tinsley
2. Corey Maggette/Tyreke Evans/Ime Udoka
3. Luol Deng/Jason Kapono/DeMar Derozan
4. Carlos Boozer/Danilo Gallanari/Chuck Hayes
5. Memhet Okur/DeSagna Diop/Sean Williams

1. At the 1 I have a 2 time MVP who's a great shooter. Eddie will play some spot 1, but will also play some 2 with Evans at the one, Evans is tall enough to guard 2's but play the point. Tinsley if he has his head on straight is a great back up, I picked him so late that if he doesn't fit I will just cut him.

2. Corey Maggette is a big two that can capably guard other twos with his size or speed. Udoka can be brought in for defensive purposes to bother the better 2s in the league. Evans will get time at both guard spots but if he doesn't play well we have the veterans so that he isn't needed at either position.

3. Luol Deng is a long athletic player who can shut down the best threes and score very well. Kapono is one of my deadly three point shooters that I can bring off the bench, along with House and Galanari. DeRozan is a top 10 pick who will start the season as the 3rd string 3 so anything we get from him is a bonus

4. Carlos Boozer is one of the better pick and roll players in the league which is why him and Nash are a match made in heaven. Gallanari is three point shooting four who is perfect for the uptempo setting that GS runs. Chuck Hayes gives us a more traditional tough back up 4, that will play defense and rebound.

5. Memhet Okur is the perfect center to draw out Dwight Howard so that he has to play on the wing and can't block shots. He spreads the floor when we run the pick and roll and will get out and hit 3's when Nash runs. Diop is a tough defensive minded center who can clog space in the middle. Williams is an athletic shot blocker that is perfect for the Golden State system.

Our scheme with the first unit will be a slower version of the current Golden State team. Due to our ability to play in the half court and defend we feel that we will be better served in the playoffs playing this style.
The second unit however will really pick up the pace. Gallanari, Kapono and House are all deadly three point shooters, Evans will be adequate in this department. Evans best ability is his skill at driving with great shooters like these defenders will have trouble helping and he will have a field day.
My team has veterans at every position as well as great young players at every position (3 of which were top ten picks in the past two years).

I like your team on the offensive end, but defensivly, rebounding, and health will be major issues for your squad.   Okur isn't that great a rebounder.  He is an underrated defender however.  Boozer doesn't play much defense at all and is really your only rebounder, plus he only played 30 something games last year.  

Nash is still a top 5 PG in the league, but how much left do you think he has in the tank?  Deng was hurt last season for around 20+ games.  Can your team afford to lose him for that many games?  I'm also not a fan of Maggette, though he fits an up tempo system well.  

Your bench has a lot of unproven players outside House, J.K. and Hayes.  Diop will give you some shot blocking/rebounding but that's it.  Gallanari is more of a small forward and I think he's not ready to be a primetime back up yet, which is why I liked when you picked up Hayes.  I think Evans is going to be similar to Tony Allen.  Other questions on the bench are what happens when Eddie or Kapono are struggling shooting, can Sean Williams actually focus on basketball, and how will Tinsley effect your locker room?  

I think you're a playoff team, but in a 7 game series with your bench, and teams that actually play defense, your team is going to struggle IMO.  

Just my two cents.  

Deng has had a long time to recover, he should be fine and recovered. People forget that he put the team on his back in beating the defending champion Heat and he's only 24. He's also a strong rebounder.
People seem to be underrating Boozer's defense, he's a big body
that can stay in front of large fours.
As far as rebounding both Deng and Maggette both average 6 to go along with Boozers 10+ and Okur's 8 we'll be fine.
If people don't think we can play defense the Golden State fast offense will help with that problem. All my starters plus Evans, House, Gallanari and Kapono can score.
If you look at Evans numbers in college he could pass very well, something TA can not say.
Here's an article about how Gallanari is ready to take over the face of the Knicks franchise. He's going to be starting for the Knicks he can play a back up role for my team.