Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade

[Smitty77]

It sounds like there likely won't be any resolution to the situation with Marquis Daniels by the end of this week.  According to HoopsHype, the Pacers are interested in makeing an offer to Ryan Hollins, who is a restricted FA.  If they make an offer, Dallas could wait the entire week to either match or not.  Hoopshype made it sound like the Pacers wanted to about finalize their roster PRIOR to finalizing the trade with our C's for Daniels.

This really stinks, but we are all learning some patience, huh??

Smitty77

[the_Bird]

One of the articles indicated the delay was due to waiting to see if anyone was going to claim Tinsley off of waivers, which was absolutely ridicuolous because NO ONE IS GOING TO CLAIM HIM FOR $7M WHEN YOU CAN SIGN HIM AS A FREE AGENT IN TWO DAYS FOR $1M~!

Danny's trying to make this a S&T:

1. To get TA off the books

2. To free up a roster spot; maybe go after Bowen when he's officially available?  Don't need him AND TA AND the kids on the roster

3a. To have the LLE to spend on a backup big/PG?
3b. To keep the LLE to spend in February; a little more financial enticement to lure this year's Joe Smith-type

I'm not sure Indiana really wants to do a S&T; what do they need Tony Allen for, when they just signed Dahnay Jones?  Probably depends on whether Walker or Giddens is attractive enough to them, but really, if I'm Larry, I'm telling Danny "no deal, just sign Daniels."

[nickagneta]

The Pacers just signed C Soloman Jones.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090726/SPORTS04/907260329/1062/SPORTS04/Pacers+to+add+Solomon+Jones

That gives them 3 centers, Hibbert, Foster and Jones. I seriously doubt they sign another and considering the Hollins rumor is from a Boston Globe reporter, I tend to doubt it.

I think they now have 14 roster spots filled and if the C's are going to do a sign and trade it will be for only one player.

[P2]

Link

Several pieces are falling into place in Indiana, which could clarify how Daniels becomes a Celtic, one of them being if Jamaal Tinsley clears waivers Wednesday.

The Pacers added guard Dahntay Jones from Denver (four years, $11 million) and their next target appears to be Dallas center Ryan Hollins. The Pacers have been proactive in the market and, once their roster is settled, they should be able to conclude the Daniels deal.

Marbury's fate will also be decided next week:

Once Daniels’s status has been established, the Celtics can deal with Stephon Marbury, a free agent, and Gabe Pruitt. The Celtics must decide whether to exercise an option on Pruitt by Friday.

The article also says we're still waiting to see if somebody offer BBD something, and Rondo's extension is on the backburner for now.

[the_Bird]

I think they now have 14 roster spots filled and if the C's are going to do a sign and trade it will be for only one player.

Given that...  there is no S&T with Indiana.  Dumb for them to trade Daniels for Tony Allen unless they could get other inducements. 

Maybe...   here's a thought.  Boston signs Daniels to a $2.5M - $3.0M/yr contract, same as TA's.  S&T with Indiana, Daniels for TA + $1.5M cash. 

Indiana gets TA at a net cost of $1.0M ($2.5M salary less $1.5M kickback).  Low-cost backup wing.

Daniels get a little more $$ than if he signs at the LLE.

Boston pays Daniels about $1M more than they would if he signed at the LLE.  GIven the luxury tax, the real cost of this "bonus" is $2M.  In addition, they gave Indiana $1.5M.  Total "extra" cost by doing the S&T instead of just using the LLE is therefore $3.5M.

But, they don't have to pay Tony Allen to sit on the bench with his thumb up his hundquarters.  His $2.5M salary off the books, with the luxury tax, effectively saves ownership $5M, more than offsetting both the extra money they gave Daniels AND the cash they slid to Indiana to take TA off our hands.  Win-win-win (losers are the other NBA teams who get to share in the luxury tax payments).

[billysan]

I think Gabe is gone. The only reason he stays on the roster till friday is in case he is needed as trade filler. The team that gets him will also cut him and save the cap money. I like the guy but he just isnt quite ready to be on an NBA roster IMO. Maybe Europe for a year or two would help him.

I am betting we match anything under 4 million per for Big Baby. I dont think he sees more than 6 million for two or 10 million for three years offers at best. If he was going to get anything bigger, he would seen it before the aggressive players in this years market used their mid level money.

Marbury will be signed by someone during or after training camp IMO. Teams are apparently still leary of him and not willing to risk much, if any money. I think there is an excellent chance he is added to our roster before the season starts.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Interesting, their interest in Hollins. Considering that that would put Indiana at 7 bigs, I have to wonder if at least one of them comes to the Celtics in the Daniels deal.

[MaineBleedsGreen]

I can understand waiting for the Tinsley situation to shake out. That makes sense at this point. But, we really shouldn't have to wait for them to "settle their roster" before moving forward. The Daniels deal is a foregone conclusion right? I mean could he back out of his decision to sign with us? If, say, another team offered him more money? At this point it just seems like a verbal agreement or a gentlemans agreement. It just seems like a lot of waiting for a reasonably minimal move... unless there is something bigger at stake, maybe a 3 team trade? or multiple players from both teams being involved?

[MaineBleedsGreen]

Interesting, their interest in Hollins. Considering that that would put Indiana at 7 bigs, I have to wonder if at least one of them comes to the Celtics in the Daniels deal.

are you including Solomon Jones who they just signed? if not that would mean they have 8 bigs.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Interesting, their interest in Hollins. Considering that that would put Indiana at 7 bigs, I have to wonder if at least one of them comes to the Celtics in the Daniels deal.

are you including Solomon Jones who they just signed? if not that would mean they have 8 bigs.

I'm counting him. Let me know if I missed someone.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The Pacers just signed C Soloman Jones.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090726/SPORTS04/907260329/1062/SPORTS04/Pacers+to+add+Solomon+Jones

That gives them 3 centers, Hibbert, Foster and Jones. I seriously doubt they sign another and considering the Hollins rumor is from a Boston Globe reporter, I tend to doubt it.

I think they now have 14 roster spots filled and if the C's are going to do a sign and trade it will be for only one player.

As mentioned in the other thread, you have to consider one of the possibilities of one of their bigs coming with Daniels in a S&T.

[Fafnir]

The Pacers just signed C Soloman Jones.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090726/SPORTS04/907260329/1062/SPORTS04/Pacers+to+add+Solomon+Jones

That gives them 3 centers, Hibbert, Foster and Jones. I seriously doubt they sign another and considering the Hollins rumor is from a Boston Globe reporter, I tend to doubt it.

I think they now have 14 roster spots filled and if the C's are going to do a sign and trade it will be for only one player.

As mentioned in the other thread, you have to consider one of the possibilities of one of their bigs coming with Daniels in a S&T.

If they're really going after Ryan Hollins it seems that would have to be the case.

[lon3lytoaster]

For what it's worth I just woke up from a dream where we got Bayless from Portland for Davis in a S and T, I assume then we got Hibbert along with Daniels.

Prophecy? We shall wee.

[Fafnir]

For what it's worth I just woke up from a dream where we got Bayless from Portland for Davis in a S and T, I assume then we got Hibbert along with Daniels.

Prophecy? We shall wee.

Not going to happen.

[P2]

So this will probably take another two weeks or not happen at all. Indiana is playing us like fools, we're waiting for them to make some minor roster moves which don't affect the Daniels deal anyway.

So right now, we have to wait till Wednesday so that nobody picks Tinsley off waivers, but what's the reason for that? If he is picked off waivers, how would this affect the Daniels deal. Then, we are waiting for them to sign Watson. And finally, Ryan Hollins is a restricted free agent who would take a week of consideration from Dallas.

In other words, either this is happening in 2 weeks at the earliest, or it is not happening at all, because I can see another team snatching him off, even though he "promised" to play for us.