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Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2009, 03:14:09 PM »

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He or his agent have already said "we're willing to sign for $1.8M" (which strikes me as a dumb thing to say, but whatever).

One-year guaranteed, player option on the second year (kinda like the House and Posey deals) at a figure of $2.5M sounds spot-on for his value.  Gets a fair amount more than he would earn otherwise, and if he plays well (and stays heathly) he has the opportunity to cash in during next summers' feeding frenzy.


sometimes it's a great career money-maker to take a below-market salary (like the LLE) for one year on a very good team. See also: James Posey

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2009, 03:55:35 PM »

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You could make something like TA + Pruitt + cash for Daniels + Diener work.

No, because Daniels could only get $2.46M at most in that case, and I bet he wants more if it's a multi-year deal.

I think it would work, but here is how:

Daniels signs for 3 million first year and an option for second year. he is then traded for TA and Pruitt.

We send cash for Diener and buy him outright.
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Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2009, 04:10:57 PM »

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ugh..what would suck is still having giddens, walker, tony and gabe as well as signing daniels...they have to move someone and danny has to make a decision on gabe by aug. 1st...all the while baby davis might walk out the door to the nets and boston loses him for nothing..that happens boston has to replace baby, find another big and then a point...

i am all for getting tony out of boston as soon as possible

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2009, 04:12:48 PM »

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ugh..what would suck is still having giddens, walker, tony and gabe as well as signing daniels...they have to move someone and danny has to make a decision on gabe by aug. 1st...all the while baby davis might walk out the door to the nets and boston loses him for nothing..that happens boston has to replace baby, find another big and then a point...

i am all for getting tony out of boston as soon as possible

How would getting Daniels and keeping all our trade assets suck for us?

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2009, 04:16:48 PM »

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because you use the LLE on daniels....you still have a logjam with gabe, walker, giddens and tony...no way boston keeps all of them.....so you have 3 roster spots wasted on deadweight and you have used the LLE which needs to be kept for a big (esp if baby goes to the nets) or a point.

boston needs to trim the fat on the roster...tony allen esp.
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Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2009, 04:34:21 PM »

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because you use the LLE on daniels....you still have a logjam with gabe, walker, giddens and tony...no way boston keeps all of them.....so you have 3 roster spots wasted on deadweight and you have used the LLE which needs to be kept for a big (esp if baby goes to the nets) or a point.

boston needs to trim the fat on the roster...tony allen esp.

No logjam, considering that we still would have 2 (3 if you cut Pruitt) roster spaces available and our restricted free-agent in Baby. We can round up the roster quite well with minimum contracts if needed. And again, we retain our trade assets which we can use to get someone of value. Our assets are not difficult to move if needed be, and considering that they do have value, hardly deadweight.

Our roster is quite fine as it is. We simply need to add some depth which will not be much of a challenge nor a big need at the moment.
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Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2009, 04:37:16 PM »

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Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2009, 05:19:37 PM »

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So it appears that Indianapolis needs to hold off before they can take on Bill Walker as inducement for making this deal. 

Is there a way to offer Walker, Allen, Scalabrine, and Pruitt for Daniels and Jeff Foster with their roster?   Not sure I'd want Foster's salary for an additional dollar figure. 

Is Scalabrine and Walker enough of an inducement (so we can save Allen and Pruitt for Bowen)?  
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Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2009, 08:58:09 PM »

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TA straight for Marquis

Scal+Pruitt for Bowen???

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2009, 09:03:36 PM »

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TA straight for Marquis

Scal+Pruitt for Bowen???

Why would Indianapolis OR Milwaukee do that.

Milwaukee can simply release Bowen AND sign a player at the minimum who is likely to be better than Scal. 

There is going to have to be enticement.

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2009, 09:16:10 PM »

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Scal, Pruitt, JR and Walker for Bowen and Mbute

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2009, 09:35:24 PM »

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in the end i think scal and giddens stay...allen and walker go and i wouldnt be surprised if gabe is just released this week..but i would like the get this done so they can figure out what to do with baby


the ONLY reason to bury tony allen on the bench is to trade him at deadline for someone they need

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2009, 10:43:05 PM »

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I have no great love for Tony Allen, but I do think he gets some unfair treatment here. I think Danny and Doc like Tony more than most on this blog do, and there must be some reason for that.  First, Tony is not a cancer on this team -- he has been paid about what he's worth and he seems to be an engaged and positive teammate.  He is always the first on his feet to applaud his teammates and he never seems to complain about his role despite the fact that his role has changed constantly since his arrival (in large part due to injury -- his and others).  Tony turns the ball over way too often -- which matters a great deal -- but I think Tony has always been a guy who needs a well-defined role and he hasn't been given one.  He is not one who should be encouraged to be creative out there or to run an offense through. Though there have been times he's actually been expected to carry a good part of the offensive load.  He's been asked to be everything from the point guard to the lead scorer to the defensive stopper -- and he really isn't up to doing any of these things with excellence.  BUT, he is (and will be) a decent player to have on a bench.  He plays adequate man to man defence and can score fairly efficiently (48% career scorer).  He provides energy and he has shown the ability to fill in for a period of time when a star player is injured.  He was still reovering from his latest injury last year and has likely never truly gotten back to form after his horrendous knee injury of a few year's back.  He is a $1 to $2 million player who is valuable as a 9th/10th/11th guy.  If the roster spots are available, I'd just as soon see him there than Giddens/Walker based on what I've seen thus far (though that might change over the course of this year).

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2009, 11:51:43 AM »

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ugh..what would suck is still having giddens, walker, tony and gabe as well as signing daniels...they have to move someone and danny has to make a decision on gabe by aug. 1st...all the while baby davis might walk out the door to the nets and boston loses him for nothing..that happens boston has to replace baby, find another big and then a point...

i am all for getting tony out of boston as soon as possible

How would getting Daniels and keeping all our trade assets suck for us?

I think they have some value for teams that want to dump future salary midway through the season, but when we can't give those guys away to Indy for nothing right now, it doesn't help their status as "assets."
Go Celtics.

Re: Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2009, 11:58:32 AM »

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ugh..what would suck is still having giddens, walker, tony and gabe as well as signing daniels...they have to move someone and danny has to make a decision on gabe by aug. 1st...all the while baby davis might walk out the door to the nets and boston loses him for nothing..that happens boston has to replace baby, find another big and then a point...

i am all for getting tony out of boston as soon as possible

How would getting Daniels and keeping all our trade assets suck for us?

I think they have some value for teams that want to dump future salary midway through the season, but when we can't give those guys away to Indy for nothing right now, it doesn't help their status as "assets."

Who says we want to just give them away? That's pure speculation, particularly by people that hate TA. We don't know what Danny is demanding. Also, it's not the same circumstance given that Daniels is not on the Pacer's payroll.