Explanation of delay in Daniels' trade

[MaineBleedsGreen]

So this will probably take another two weeks or not happen at all. Indiana is playing us like fools, we're waiting for them to make some minor roster moves which don't affect the Daniels deal anyway.

So right now, we have to wait till Wednesday so that nobody picks Tinsley off waivers, but what's the reason for that? If he is picked off waivers, how would this affect the Daniels deal. Then, we are waiting for them to sign Watson. And finally, Ryan Hollins is a restricted free agent who would take a week of consideration from Dallas.

In other words, either this is happening in 2 weeks at the earliest, or it is not happening at all, because I can see another team snatching him off, even though he "promised" to play for us.

That's my concern too right now. We need to just get this done already. Danny your boy is c*ck blocking you right now.

[Fafnir]

So right now, we have to wait till Wednesday so that nobody picks Tinsley off waivers, but what's the reason for that? If he is picked off waivers, how would this affect the Daniels deal. Then, we are waiting for them to sign Watson. And finally, Ryan Hollins is a restricted free agent who would take a week of consideration from Dallas.

If Tinsley is claimed off waivers they will have $7.2 million dollars for their budget. This could allow them to take back an additional player and then waive him and remain within the team's payroll plans.

[hpantazo]

The Pacers just signed C Soloman Jones.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090726/SPORTS04/907260329/1062/SPORTS04/Pacers+to+add+Solomon+Jones

That gives them 3 centers, Hibbert, Foster and Jones. I seriously doubt they sign another and considering the Hollins rumor is from a Boston Globe reporter, I tend to doubt it.

I think they now have 14 roster spots filled and if the C's are going to do a sign and trade it will be for only one player.

As mentioned in the other thread, you have to consider one of the possibilities of one of their bigs coming with Daniels in a S&T.

If they're really going after Ryan Hollins it seems that would have to be the case.

please let it be Jeff Foster

[P2]

The sign-and-trade doesn’t look to be going through, because they have 11 players under contract (without Tinsley). Add Watson and Jones, you already have 13. A.J. Price will be signed, too, so that makes it 14.

If they sign Ryan Hollins, that will make it 15, so no room to send out another player, unless they’re having another deal or we’re getting a player back, but that wouldn’t work salary-wise.

[Roy Hobbs]

So this will probably take another two weeks or not happen at all. Indiana is playing us like fools, we're waiting for them to make some minor roster moves which don't affect the Daniels deal anyway.

What's the issue?  What opportunity are we losing by waiting?  How is Indiana benefiting by "playing us like fools"?

The Celtics apparently can sign Daniels any time they'd like by using the LLE.  They'd prefer, though, to avoid a luxury tax hit for Tony Allen, and would like to save the LLE for future use.  If Indiana accommodates our wishes, great.  If they don't, no big deal.  I don't see the need to get all worked up about it.

[P2]

You heard it here first. This S/T deal is not going to happen. Explanation:

Indiana has 12 players, without Tinsley, including Solomon Jones. If they sign Price and Watson, like they're expected to do, they'll be at 14. If they sign Hollins, too, it will be 15. So there's no room to send them a player.

Unless, of course, they're sending another player back. But that isn't happening, as well. Because we can only acquire $3.12M for Tony's salary, and if you want to sign Daneils for that amount, you won't get another player for it.

Unless, Scal or BBD is included, but then they would have to send a third player back, to get the roster to 15. But that isn't happening, and a multi-team trade seems highly unlikely at this point because of the difficulties to get done such a deal.

So if they sign Watson, Price & Hollins, there are 3 options:

1. They do a 3-for-2 deal, sending us something like Daniels/Foster/Diener. But that can't happend, because those three would amount to a total of $10M, and we cannot send this amount back in the form of only 2 players.

2. They don't sign one of Pirce, Watson or Hollins to make a simple S/T of Daniels for Tony possible.

3. We sign Daniels for the LLE for one year, which nobody wants.

[fairweatherfan06]

You might've missed this part of the story.

Indiana will gain an additional roster spot in a few days when Jamaal Tinsley clears waivers.


Herego the wait, spot 14 is for Hollins 15 would be for whomever Daniels (likely TA) is traded for.

[Fafnir]

You might've missed this part of the story.

Indiana will gain an additional roster spot in a few days when Jamaal Tinsley clears waivers.


Herego the wait, spot 14 is for Hollins 15 would be for whomever Daniels (likely TA) is traded for.

He's not counting Tinsley.

[Fafnir]

You heard it here first. This S/T deal is not going to happen. Explanation:

Indiana has 12 players, without Tinsley, including Solomon Jones. If they sign Price and Watson, like they're expected to do, they'll be at 14. If they sign Hollins, too, it will be 15. So there's no room to send them a player.

Unless, of course, they're sending another player back. But that isn't happening, as well. Because we can only acquire $3.12M for Tony's salary, and if you want to sign Daneils for that amount, you won't get another player for it.

Unless, Scal or BBD is included, but then they would have to send a third player back, to get the roster to 15. But that isn't happening, and a multi-team trade seems highly unlikely at this point because of the difficulties to get done such a deal.

So if they sign Watson, Price & Hollins, there are 3 options:

1. They do a 3-for-2 deal, sending us something like Daniels/Foster/Diener. But that can't happend, because those three would amount to a total of $10M, and we cannot send this amount back in the form of only 2 players.

2. They don't sign one of Pirce, Watson or Hollins to make a simple S/T of Daniels for Tony possible.

3. We sign Daniels for the LLE for one year, which nobody wants.

You forgot another possibility. They could place Tony on waivers and the C's will send enough cash to cover his buyout. It'd be cheaper for the C's do this because of the luxury tax than just keeping Tony/Scal. And it would also free up a roster spot.

[P2]

You might've missed this part of the story.

Indiana will gain an additional roster spot in a few days when Jamaal Tinsley clears waivers.


Herego the wait, spot 14 is for Hollins 15 would be for whomever Daniels (likely TA) is traded for.

No, it's 11 players without Tinsley. 12 is Solomon Jones, 13 is Watson, 14 is Price and 15 is Hollins. Explain.

[BballTim]

You heard it here first. This S/T deal is not going to happen. Explanation:

Indiana has 12 players, without Tinsley, including Solomon Jones. If they sign Price and Watson, like they're expected to do, they'll be at 14. If they sign Hollins, too, it will be 15. So there's no room to send them a player.

Unless, of course, they're sending another player back. But that isn't happening, as well. Because we can only acquire $3.12M for Tony's salary, and if you want to sign Daneils for that amount, you won't get another player for it.

Unless, Scal or BBD is included, but then they would have to send a third player back, to get the roster to 15. But that isn't happening, and a multi-team trade seems highly unlikely at this point because of the difficulties to get done such a deal.

So if they sign Watson, Price & Hollins, there are 3 options:

1. They do a 3-for-2 deal, sending us something like Daniels/Foster/Diener. But that can't happend, because those three would amount to a total of $10M, and we cannot send this amount back in the form of only 2 players.

2. They don't sign one of Pirce, Watson or Hollins to make a simple S/T of Daniels for Tony possible.

3. We sign Daniels for the LLE for one year, which nobody wants.

  Couldn't we trade them Pruitt, who they'd immediately drop by not picking up his option? That would add about a million to what we can bring back. I'm not saying a sign and trade will happen, but if it's not at least a possibility there's no need for this delay.

[the_Bird]

You'd have to trade Pruitt AND somebody else to have enough $$ for the trade to work, and then you run into the issue of Indy having too many players on their roster.  Pruitt *could* be part of the deal because of his nonguaranteed contract, but only if Indiana's looking to unload someone else like (like Diener) to save some $$. 

You could make something like TA + Pruitt + cash for Daniels + Diener work.

[P2]

You could make something like TA + Pruitt + cash for Daniels + Diener work.

No, because Daniels could only get $2.46M at most in that case, and I bet he wants more if it's a multi-year deal.

[Fafnir]

You could make something like TA + Pruitt + cash for Daniels + Diener work.

No, because Daniels could only get $2.46M at most in that case, and I bet he wants more if it's a multi-year deal.

It's better than the LLE. He might sign that deal with an opt out provision, like Posey's and House's deal.

[the_Bird]

He or his agent have already said "we're willing to sign for $1.8M" (which strikes me as a dumb thing to say, but whatever).

One-year guaranteed, player option on the second year (kinda like the House and Posey deals) at a figure of $2.5M sounds spot-on for his value.  Gets a fair amount more than he would earn otherwise, and if he plays well (and stays heathly) he has the opportunity to cash in during next summers' feeding frenzy.