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What do you want the Celtics to do with BBD?

Wait and hope he's forced to accept the Qualifying Offer
32 (34.8%)
Offer him a multi-year deal for at least 3mil / year
31 (33.7%)
S&T him for a different backup big
9 (9.8%)
S&T for a backup position other than PF/C
6 (6.5%)
S&T him for future draft and/or capspace
0 (0%)
Other
14 (15.2%)

Total Members Voted: 92

Voting closed: July 29, 2009, 04:59:48 PM

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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2009, 02:13:10 PM »

Offline Casperian

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I think Danny should offer BBD a two year $5 million contract.
Agree.

+1

Baby will get enough minutes, and we definitly need the 4th quality big as insurance.
And who knows, he´s only 23, his value could be even higher after next year´s playoffs.

And what do you define as "enough minutes"?  KG averaged 31 mpg last year (a career low), Perk averaged 30, and Wallace averaged 30.  That's 91 mpg used up out of 96 possible minutes at the 4/5 spots.  I really can't see them playing any of those players less than 28 mpg either, which would only leave 12 mpg for Baby.  Come playoff time, I can't imagine that there will be any minutes (barring foul trouble) for a 4th guy.

I agree that Davis would be nice for depth, but unless there's an injury, I don't see him playing a big role here next year.  And that's why I wouldn't be devastated gambling on Powe.  He's arguably as good as Baby, and any downgrade he is, wouldn't be that big of deal in the whopping 5-10 mpg they'd play.  Similarly, if we had to use someone else like Scal or a FA until Powe came back in those limited minutes, it wouldn't matter either.  

1. You don´t give 90 minutes to three players. No NBA rotation works that way.

2. Rasheed is 35, KG will be 33 coming off injury, Perk has the shoulder issues. These guys will miss games due to injury (see Greg´s post), and I think that Doc would like to keep the minutes down for all three of them during the season and on back-to-backs.

3. The most important things are always the necessary ones. A 4th quality big is necessary and not a luxus. There´s a good chance that one of the first three will be injured for the playoffs, and I don´t want to rely on Scal to play 30 minutes.
There´s also a good chance that Perk or Rasheed get in foul trouble early in a playoff game, and who will play then?

Depending on how many games the first three bigs will miss, I could see him averaging 15-20 minutes per game.
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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2009, 04:27:22 PM »

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I think Danny should offer BBD a two year $5 million contract.
Agree.

+1

Baby will get enough minutes, and we definitly need the 4th quality big as insurance.
And who knows, he´s only 23, his value could be even higher after next year´s playoffs.

And what do you define as "enough minutes"?  KG averaged 31 mpg last year (a career low), Perk averaged 30, and Wallace averaged 30.  That's 91 mpg used up out of 96 possible minutes at the 4/5 spots.  I really can't see them playing any of those players less than 28 mpg either, which would only leave 12 mpg for Baby.  Come playoff time, I can't imagine that there will be any minutes (barring foul trouble) for a 4th guy.

I agree that Davis would be nice for depth, but unless there's an injury, I don't see him playing a big role here next year.  And that's why I wouldn't be devastated gambling on Powe.  He's arguably as good as Baby, and any downgrade he is, wouldn't be that big of deal in the whopping 5-10 mpg they'd play.  Similarly, if we had to use someone else like Scal or a FA until Powe came back in those limited minutes, it wouldn't matter either.  

1. You don´t give 90 minutes to three players. No NBA rotation works that way.

2. Rasheed is 35, KG will be 33 coming off injury, Perk has the shoulder issues. These guys will miss games due to injury (see Greg´s post), and I think that Doc would like to keep the minutes down for all three of them during the season and on back-to-backs.

3. The most important things are always the necessary ones. A 4th quality big is necessary and not a luxus. There´s a good chance that one of the first three will be injured for the playoffs, and I don´t want to rely on Scal to play 30 minutes.
There´s also a good chance that Perk or Rasheed get in foul trouble early in a playoff game, and who will play then?

Depending on how many games the first three bigs will miss, I could see him averaging 15-20 minutes per game.

Maybe.  But you have to remember that KG's 31 mpg and Perk's 30 mpg included all the blow out games when they played less than that.  So in reality, they probably played a few minutes more per game in games that mattered.  So what's my point?  My point is that in games that matter, those three players will probably play all but a few of those minutes.  Counting blow outs, might Baby average 15+ mpg?  Maybe.  But who cares who is out there if it's a blow out? 

I agree that depth is important with this older team.  I also agree that I'd like to have Baby be that 4th guy.  My only two points are these:

1) I wouldn't disparage ownership for not matching some MLE-type offer.  While I'll grant you that he may get minutes in the regular season, the need for a 4th big man will be dramatically reduced in the playoffs when Perk/KG/Sheed will absolutely eat up all the minutes at the 4/5.  I can't blame them for not wanting to pay nearly 6 million a year for what Leon Powe could probably do at 1/10 of the cost. 

2) The regular season doesn't matter all that much.  Even without KG for the last 25 games, this team still won 62 games.  Even if they had Scal (or even Mikki Moore) as the the big, they'll still win north of 65 games.  So again, given that fact, I can't critique the C's for not wanting to pay Baby 6 million a year.

But, if the C's can get him back at 2-3 million a year, I'd be all for it. 

Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2009, 04:46:36 PM »

Offline mgent

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I think Danny should offer BBD a two year $5 million contract.
Agree.

+1

Baby will get enough minutes, and we definitly need the 4th quality big as insurance.
And who knows, he´s only 23, his value could be even higher after next year´s playoffs.

And what do you define as "enough minutes"?  KG averaged 31 mpg last year (a career low), Perk averaged 30, and Wallace averaged 30.  That's 91 mpg used up out of 96 possible minutes at the 4/5 spots.  I really can't see them playing any of those players less than 28 mpg either, which would only leave 12 mpg for Baby.  Come playoff time, I can't imagine that there will be any minutes (barring foul trouble) for a 4th guy.

I agree that Davis would be nice for depth, but unless there's an injury, I don't see him playing a big role here next year.  And that's why I wouldn't be devastated gambling on Powe.  He's arguably as good as Baby, and any downgrade he is, wouldn't be that big of deal in the whopping 5-10 mpg they'd play.  Similarly, if we had to use someone else like Scal or a FA until Powe came back in those limited minutes, it wouldn't matter either.  

1. You don´t give 90 minutes to three players. No NBA rotation works that way.

2. Rasheed is 35, KG will be 33 coming off injury, Perk has the shoulder issues. These guys will miss games due to injury (see Greg´s post), and I think that Doc would like to keep the minutes down for all three of them during the season and on back-to-backs.

3. The most important things are always the necessary ones. A 4th quality big is necessary and not a luxus. There´s a good chance that one of the first three will be injured for the playoffs, and I don´t want to rely on Scal to play 30 minutes.
There´s also a good chance that Perk or Rasheed get in foul trouble early in a playoff game, and who will play then?

Depending on how many games the first three bigs will miss, I could see him averaging 15-20 minutes per game.
Why can't you give 90 minutes to 3 players?  Perk can easily play 30 and KG should be playing 30-35.  You can end up giving Rasheed anywhere from 25-35, but your fourth guy shouldn't see more than 5-10 unless there's an injury or suspension.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Celtics paying whatever for Davis to play those 5-10 minutes, but i don't think it will happen for anything more than 4 million a year.  Rasheed can do anything Davis did, that's why i'd be happier with a defenisve/rebounding guy like Powe, but it really doesn't matter.
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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2009, 06:42:41 PM »

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1. You don´t give 90 minutes to three players. No NBA rotation works that way.

Do you mean Kevin McHale never got 30+mpg coming off the bench behind a forward and a center who were also playing 30+mpg? (Okay, so I admit that's partly because Larry Bird could slide between both forward spots.)  Another example is Roy Tarpley getting sixth man of the year behind James Donaldson and Sam Perkins.  There are probably more examples with combo guards.  The main reason you don't split 90 minutes between three players is that you usually don't have three players good enough to play 30+ minutes per game, not because it doesn't work.

Does Kevin Garnett still possess the agility and speed so that Doc can occasionally throw out a Garnett/Wallace/Perkins big lineup out there to create a different look with matchup problems for some teams?  That could help get some additional rest for Paul Pierce, especially in the playoffs.
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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2009, 06:52:08 PM »

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i say we match any offer that's under 4 million, or under 4 years. I think BBD is worthy of a 3year 12mil contract.

Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2009, 07:07:40 PM »

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We won the title in 2008 without BBD, I think we can do it again. 

Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2009, 07:13:41 PM »

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We won the title in 2008 without BBD, I think we can do it again. 

that has nothing to do with it.

Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2009, 07:21:34 PM »

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Regardless of the minutes discussions, we want to be able to sit the older guys when they have nagging injuries like pulled muscles. Rest helps healing. I am not talking about less minutes, but days off.

We need a fourth big who can be the first big off the bench when KG or Wallace are getting the game off to rest pulled muscles and things like that.

Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2009, 07:32:51 PM »

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Rasheed is like 2 BBDs.  I'd still pay a good deal of money just to have him on our bench, but then again I'd give Powe a minimum contract...
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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2009, 07:36:41 PM »

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I'd let Davis walk if he wants more then 3 mil, and give Tim Thomas a call if he's cheap. 1 non rebounding big for a non rebounding big with a 3 point shot. Still praying Danny signs Leon to a min contract....
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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2009, 07:59:44 PM »

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s&t him to the Knicks with Scal and TA for David Lee.
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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2009, 10:18:44 PM »

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BBD is acting like Starbury.

Davis/Marbury: Yo, I'm worth a big contract.  Someone will pay me a starter's salary.  It's time to get paid.
Ainge: Yo, dog, here's the minimum contract.  I don't feel obligated to offer you more.  What do you think?
Davis/Marbury: I deserve way more.
Ainge: Feel free to explore the market.

Davis and Marbury explore the market.  Marbury even entertains the idea of playing in Europe.

Now, Marbury appears to making conciliatory sounds toward Boston to make sure that door isn't closed.  As soon as Big Baby runs out of options, he'll start talking about how he's always loved Boston fans.
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Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2009, 10:24:47 PM »

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i am in the minority.  i say s&t for a back up pg.

Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2009, 11:23:15 PM »

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during the playoffs..


"big baby has stepped up his game"

"big baby has improved his mid range shot"
"for a big guy he can hussle"

did we for get?

keep baby baby!!!


and please bring back...

POWE PIMPIN!!

Re: What to do with BBD? (Poll)
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2009, 11:52:32 PM »

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i am in the minority.  i say s&t for a back up pg.
You're not alone.
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Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale