Magic make another pickup with Barnes puts them ahead of Celtics/Ainge

[crownsy]

DAM!
What is up with Orlando making great moves to support Superman?

Lets look at it.
Magic, Celtics, Cavs

Magic got Vince Carter, Ryan Anderson, Matt Barnes, & Bass? DAM!
Cavs got Shaq, Moon and had the best overall record.
And, Anthony Parker, resign Varejao.

Celtics got Sheed, Daniels.
The Celtics have the better quality in the top 7 players, but I think Orlando's bench could be a .500% winning team.

All-Star game will have 3 players from each team or more.

I feel bad for the Eastern conference.
DAM!

You think Anthony Johnson, JJ Redick, Matt Barnes, Brandon Bass, and Marcin Gortat could be a .500 team?  Wow. 

Lets look at their team now.
Anderson, Bass, Carter, Gortat, Howard, Johnson, Lewis, Barnes, Nelson, Pietrus, Redick.
Thats 9 dam good players...with Redick and Carter playing their roles.

9 not 7 like the Celtics.
I hope DA has another plan for a PG and a SF/C.
If KG, Sheed, or Perk gets hurt, then the Celtics are screwed.
Especially not knowing about BBD yet.

So you are saying all 9 of those guys outclass House? I can't agree with that. Or are you not including Daniels?

Celts starting 5 and Sheed/Daniels.
Eddie is great, but one dimensional with the 3. Spot and shoot.
No assists, layups, but probably the best 3pt shooter in the league. Luv him for that.
Suspect on D too.

wow, you call house one dimensional and list JJ reddick and anthony carter as better all around players?

i mean, i don't mean to sound like a homer, but do you watch the magic?

when JJ reddick can do something for his team other than sit at the top of the key and shoot three's when people leave him (he is a good shooter, i'll give him that) let me know. matt barnes is also very overrated. anthony carter is marginal at best.

Also, the rate at which you underrate hedo and overrate VC is startling.

Unless orlando has a time machine, so they can get 29-30 year old VC, that's a downgrade for them, primarily size wise. VC can't cover elite three's in this league, hedo could at least body up with them.

If you move lewis over to cover that, you lose your advantage at PF, which was key to thier success this year.

also, when's the last time VC made it through a season without injury trouble?

I agree that the east has 3 stacked teams, but if the magic bench even remotely approaches the levels of talent to which you've pushed them too, i'll stop watching basketball.

If were going by just benches, I have it

Boston
Clev
Orlando

and with the loss of hedo, the magic are going to have to rely on it way, way to much.

[crownsy]

My point is that the Magic, Cavs and Celtics are STACKED.
I give the edge now to the Magic.
The Celtics are getting older, and will have to play more minutes with the starting 5 + Sheed/Daniels.

Answer this:
Who the heck is the backup PG?
(Don't say Eddie house or Marbury)
If Rondo falls to the floor like in every game, but doesn't get up - who will take his place?

Also, we saw what happened with KG going down. If one of the 3 bigs, (KG, Perk, Sheed) get hurt, who the heck will play the 4/5 spot?
(Don't say BBD or Leon)


I think in '08, the Celtics had a great bench. Very underestimated with Leon, BBD.
These guys were nobodys, but now are somebodys after the Celts won the Finals.

apparently doc underrated that bench too, since he didn't play BBD in the playoffs much.

he didn't even put him in against the lakers until game 6 (his only apperance) for a stunning 14 minutes of garbage time.

and he played him less than thirty minutes total against the cavs and pistons the entire series, respectivly. if not for leon's foul trouble in game 3 of the DET series, he would have played 12 minutes that series total.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl.cgi?player=davisgl01&year=2008

Glen made great strides this year, and is now a very solid bench player, who i really, really want back assuming no one blows thier MLE on him, but lets not have any revisionist history. BBD was not a contributing part of that 08 bench (in the playoffs, anyway). 

[timepiece33]

You have to look at it in it's entirety. 

I tried to compare the guys added and subtracted with the closest player from a talent perspective.

ORLANDO
Vince Carter vs. Hedo Turkoglu
Ryan Anderson vs. Courtney Lee
Brandon Bass vs. Tony Battie
Matt Barnes vs. Rafer Alston

I'd take Turkoglu and Lee over Carter and Anderson in a heartbeat.  While I don't view it as a massive downgrade.  It is a downgrade especially when you consider age AND the upside of Lee.   

Bass is a massive upgrade over Battie.  I personally feel Skip To Me Lou is a more useful component than Matt Barnes (who is highly overrated on this board). 

BOSTON

Rasheed Wallace vs. Leon Powe
Marquis Daniels vs. Tony Allen (assume trade)
Lester Hudson vs. Gabe Pruitt (assume trade)
Robert Swift vs. Mikki Moore

In terms of what we added vs. what we lost, I'd argue that Wallace and Daniels are light years ahead of Powe and Allen.

If Garnett AND Nelson are healthy, we beat them in 5 games. 

[paintitgreen]

The 9-7 thing is pretty ridiculous if you're excluding Eddie House but including Matt Barnes and even more egregiously Anderson, who hasn't exactly done anything in the NBA to warrant being called a good rotation player if Eddie House isn't.

Orlando has WAY more depth than us right now. But that doesn't make them a better team. It's true that if we have injuries at certain positions - point guard and small forward specifically - we are going to have a lot of trouble. But if Orlando loses Jameer Nelson, I wouldn't exactly be excited about that team's chances with Anthony Johnson. And then the loss of Hedo, who can actually bring the ball up and let you go big/without a point guard, really stings. And I don't care if they have Gortat, a more than capable backup center - if they lose Howard, they're done. So big injuries can submarine any team regardless of depth.

I'll take the fact that without injuries, the 5 guys who are gonna be playing on the court for the Celtics are gonna be better than the 5 guys playing on the court for the Magic. If it was a battle of the 7th through 11th men, they'd beat us. But if it's a battle of the 7th through 11th men, then neither of these teams is going anywhere. And contrary to your statement, no a team of Anthony Johnson, JJ Redick, Mickael Pietrus, Ryan Anderson/Matt Barnes and Marcin Gortat would not win anywhere near 40 games.  

[Reyquila]

WE depend on a lot if "ifs". One injury to our older guys and we are history, just like last year. We almost made it last year, you may say; but "almost" will not cut it. It never does. So, if the improbable happens and Perk's shoulder doesnt go astray, as it has done more than once and  IF KG's leg doesnt re-injure itself, and IF PP"s whatever stays well, then we will be in the thick of it. But we still need another inside player scorer, "a la Powe". Im not betting my house on this team, this year. 

[Greeny]

I never made any direct reference or comparison to House and Redick/Johnson.
I commented on Eddies all around game.
I commented on the Magic's bench stating that Redick/Johnson were the only 2 players that were suspect.

The Magic have a better bench...as of now.

Carter, Bass, Anderson, Barnes beat Hedo, Lee, Battie, Alston hands down.

[Edgar]

My point is that the Magic, Cavs and Celtics are STACKED.
I give the edge now to the Magic.
The Celtics are getting older, and will have to play more minutes with the starting 5 + Sheed/Daniels.

Answer this:
Who the heck is the backup PG?
(Don't say Eddie house or Marbury)
If Rondo falls to the floor like in every game, but doesn't get up - who will take his place?

Also, we saw what happened with KG going down. If one of the 3 bigs, (KG, Perk, Sheed) get hurt, who the heck will play the 4/5 spot?
(Don't say BBD or Leon)


I think in '08, the Celtics had a great bench. Very underestimated with Leon, BBD.
These guys were nobodys, but now are somebodys after the Celts won the Finals.

well starbury is better than johnson

and with a full year...a LOt BEtter
so like most likely scenario will be


Rondo  Marbury
Ray    House
Pierce Daniels
KG     Sheed
Perk   BBD

I take that bench over orlandos every single day
twice on saturdays , 4 times on sundays
and beleive they will win

the as now doesnt work here because Cs are still signning
and nothing makes thinks danny is over

[Greeny]

If Doc plays goes 7 or 8 players deep, then the Celtics are the best team in the league.  But, with older players, Doc will probably need the bench.

Back up PG is who again?
Back up F/C if Sheed is in the game is who?

[Edgar]

I never made any direct reference or comparison to House and Redick/Johnson.
I commented on Eddies all around game.
I commented on the Magic's bench stating that Redick/Johnson were the only 2 players that were suspect.

The Magic have a better bench...as of now.

Carter, Bass, Anderson, Barnes beat Hedo, Lee, Battie, Alston hands down.

youre overrating carter
and
underrating house
but i will respect your opinion and tell u
this team isnt going to start the season with 12 players
C?F is BBD as long as noone offers him a juicy contract

p.s. theres no sign of that
even if his agent manage to post his pic on NBA.com

[crownsy]

I never made any direct reference or comparison to House and Redick/Johnson.
I commented on Eddies all around game.
I commented on the Magic's bench stating that Redick/Johnson were the only 2 players that were suspect.

The Magic have a better bench...as of now.

Carter, Bass, Anderson, Barnes beat Hedo, Lee, Battie, Alston hands down.

that's your opnion, and your entitled to it, but i think it's way off base.

bass certainly beats battie by a wide margin, but the others are equals or downgrades, at best.

[Greeny]

My dream would be BBD and then Marbury or Flip Murray.
But if the Celtics DONT sign BBD, then who is left?
I guess this makes BBD a very important player/signing.

[ManUp]

Lee and Alston are in NJ now don't forget.

[celticinorlando]

hedo was a reason why they could do a lot of things they did..i dont fear that match up with carter that much...boston with a KG in the line up can match the magic...

[crownsy]

My dream would be BBD and then Marbury or Flip Murray.
But if the Celtics DONT sign BBD, then who is left?
I guess this makes BBD a very important player/signing.

unless some team makes him a huge offer, which seems less and less likely, he doesn't have much choice, he'll resign/ sign the sheet the celtics match.

The longer he goes without an offer sheet, the less likely some team blows the celtics away with a big MLE contract.

[Edgar]

My dream would be BBD and then Marbury or Flip Murray.
But if the Celtics DONT sign BBD, then who is left?
I guess this makes BBD a very important player/signing.

IF?
hes not really that important
go NBA.com see free agents unsigned at PF
there are at least 10 pf with 6.10 than can be aquired via free agency or
sign and trades that still helps more than BBD or equal
and theres scal too.