Guess who's back?? Starbury!!! (unconfirmed rumor)

[P2]

(Unconfirmed Rumor)... You can start up a successful blog by stating a bunch of "unconfirmed rumors".  Though I would like to see this happen, and it makes sense, you can't go overboard from a blog making a statement like this.

Celtic Thug, anyone?

[vagrantwade]

The author is just taking a wild guess and betting on him coming back.

Marbury himself has no idea what he is going to do yet.

[Prof. Clutch]

Excuses, imo. The Ivory Tower called the Interwebz has to be the last place where Stephon Marbury still gets respect.

He behaved good because it was his definite last chance to play in the NBA. He didn´t play "unselfish", he passed up wide open shots, and when he shot, he was abysmal. I can remember exactly five good minutes from Marbury in green, and that was just offensively.

I think that Marbury showed exactly what I expected from him when we signed him at the deadline (read: nada), so I don´t know why I should change my expectations now. Guys like Marbury don´t get better because of one off-season, you need work ethic and dedication to get back in shape, two things I don´t think of when I hear "Stephon Marbury". Marbury is done, dead and gone, only a shadow of the former (and already overrated) Starbury. 
What do people expect who are pro-Marbury? What does he have to do to convince his fanboys that he´s done?

What we need is a bigger PG who can shoot the ball from behind the arc, not a once talented do-it-all has-been headcase who didn´t play a good game in three years.

What part of my post were ``excuses´´ for Marbury?  At no point did I defend his play from last year or even encourage his signing in my post.  Do you consider these excuses for his admittedly poor play last season?

Yes, I think this is an attempt to rationalize his bad play away. It´s a human reaction, and I don´t think you have an agenda or anything like that, I just think the pro-Marbury camp really "wants" him to succeed, whereas the con-Marbury camp has already given up on him.

I mean, he didn't have the problems that everyone expected him to last year (big ego, team distraction,) and he showed a real effort to be a team guy.  You weren't even at least a little impressed during the season with the effort he made to share the ball and some of the beautiful passes he made?

Do you disagree with any of that? Was he a headcase problem or more of a team guy?  Did he share the ball and make some nice passes?  Was I off base of defending him with any of the common things that are said (he hadn´t played in a long time/

I was merely trying to get a better understanding as to the mindset of people who are really against Marbury signing.  I would prefer Marbury to the other options out there, but I´m certainly not a ``fanboy´´ and would be perfectly comfortable with the C´s moving forward with someone else or waiting to see what´s there at the deadline.

Yes, I disagree, and I think you were off-base. I haven´t seen an unselfish Marbury with beautiful passes, I have seen a rusty player who can´t contribute in any way, which is exactly what I´ve expected 5 months ago when we signed him. I have no intention to change my mind, I feel confirmed.

I apologize if you feel attacked by the term fanboy, but I hear the pro-Marbury arguments for 1/2 year now, and have to wonder if I´ve seen the same games as they have. As I said, I think most people just really want this to work out, so they overlook the simple fact that he didn´t had a good game in 3 years. Rusty or not, that´s 3 years of no evidence that he could help this team, but 64% on the frontpage poll want him back. How would you call that?

The one thing you ignored in your response is the fact that he did do a good job of setting the table for the team.  He showed to me, at least, that he is still a great passer.  And as I said in the previous post, he won´t be asked to be the same offensive weapon that he was needed to be from last year.  I also thought his defense was adequate and that beyond that he showed a real effort to fit in and make anything work.  I was really proud of that, and I´m always happy to at least give guys another chance.

See, I have no idea how you come to this conclusion. He wasn´t good as a passer, playmaker, shooter or defender, imo. Agree to disagree, I guess.

You guys have already made up your mind.  The answer to my question, ``what would we he need to do´´ is - nothing.  There is nothing he could do, no matter how positive he could possibly be, to make him a good thing.  That´s a little sad.

Your question is simply wrong. The real question is, "how much does he have to suck until people realize he´s done?"
Shoot abysmal percentages from the floor? Check.
Can´t defend a chair? Check.
Looks timid and rusty,doesn´t provide leadership, experience or confidence? Check.

Again, I am not an un-abashed Marbury supporter.  I have scratched my head over the years at the things he has done.  I have been put off by his big star, me first attitude.  I have seen and understood his faults.  But I´ve also seen that he made an effort with us to turn that around.  I appreciate how he tried for us and I can´t hate him for his shot not falling consistently as he tried to do everything else right.  I´m still undecided about what the future might hold for him, but at least I can say I´m keeping an open mind either way.

Again, excuses, imo. Rationalization. If you truly believe that Stephon Marbury "has seen the light", you are obviously a blind optimist. I will stick to the conclusions I´ve made based on the things I´ve seen in the last three years.

I guess Casperian that we are on two different wavelengths on this one.  We view many things, Marbury, and my post in two different ways and I guess my "blind optimism" is no stronger than your blind hatred.  But either way, it was fun to discuss it with you.  And as I was hoping to when I posed the question, I got a good understanding of what the side that doesn't want him to sign here truly feel about the situation.  Thank you for the insight and TP.

[lostjumper]

What we need is a bigger PG who can shoot the ball from behind the arc, not a once talented do-it-all has-been headcase who didn´t play a good game in three years.

Name him. Name the "bigger PG who can shoot from behind the arc", and I will also include "can bring the ball up the court against pressure and distributes the ball well". Who's left who can do that better than marbury at this point?

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So, is this a "pick your poison" game?
If there´s noone good available, then just don´t take anyone. Wait what you can get at the trade deadline for our expirings. I´m not concerned about our backup PG situation for the regular season, we won it all in 07/08 with Eddie House and Sam Cassell as backup PGs.
If you can´t get a tall PG, a SG and Eddie at the 1 would do it, too. What we definitly need is another good shooter from behind the arc.

Do you think that house and pruitt are capable of bringing the ball up the court against full court pressure? I do not, so I think we need another PG. If you do, then you need to watch some of the games before marbury got here. There were several games where as soon as our 2nd unit came out, the opposing team immediately put pressure on the ball handler that resulted in numerous turnovers. Thats why so many people on this board wanted to bring in Grant Hill. He would have been the primary ball handler on the 2nd unit. As it is, that person would be Daniels right now, and I think Marbury would protect the ball better than Daniels.

This remind of the angst the C's fans had concerning Lindsey Hunter and his ball hawking skills.  I would love to see a breakdown of the ' numerous ' turnovers you mention. If Pruitt is around he's more than capable of bringing the ball over 1/2 court.  If not why is he in the NBA?  They sure don't ' need ' Marbury but, for the vet minimum he's a nice bench player.  Anything more and he's overpaid.

Unfortunately, Pruitt has not shown he can bring the ball up, and he was down right terrible in summer league. My guess is he will not be in the NBA very long. That leaves house to bring it up, and he was terrible at that last year. If the Pistons have the book on how to mess up the C's offense(by pressing the ball handler), whats that to stop other teams from doing that next year? I think the C's have to improve that weakness, or it will get really exposed this year.

Now, I'm not necessarily advocating that they bring Marbury back to fill that position. I just don't see anyone better out there that could do it. The back up PG this year will not be a point of strength. They just need to find somneone who can play 15 minutes as the backup pg and not kill the team.

[HYPE.]

No he won't.  That's a completely unwarranted assumption.  He's a year older, and he's not the kind of player who shoots 500 free throws a day. He's more likely to be worse, not better.

If you flip a coin and it comes up heads ten times in a row, you had better look at the coin, beacause it's coming up heads the next time, too.

You're one to talk about unwarranted assumptions. Once we sign him (if we do), and he becomes somewhat of a nuisance on or off the court, we can just cut him, no problem. My advice to you, though, kind sir; wait and see. You can't really make any biased, opinionated or empty claims without actually seeing it for yourself.

[cornbreadsmart]

imagine the luxury of having sheed ,marbury, and daniels coming in when guys get tired. i'm doing a backflip if we get marbury.

[BrickJames]

Is marbury broadcasting tonight?  what's the URL

[BrickJames]

LOL on marbury's twitter:

Of the father the son and the holy spirit. That's why I wear number 3 for trilogy.

I think you mean Trinity bud...

[vagrantwade]

Marbury just hit me up about all of the rumors;

me:

jimwade @starburymarbury Boston loves you so much they keep making up rumors about you going back for sure.

him:

StarburyMarbury@jimwade in time we will see. I want to be back there as well..

[HYPE.]

^ Dope. Once (if) he signs, we'll have a dang near complete and perfect team.

[Fafnir]

^ Dope. Once (if) he signs, we'll have a dang near complete and perfect team.

Perfect? Complete? I like our team but come on....

[HYPE.]

I said "dang near" meaning almost. Our team is good, although we have our flaws here and there. No hate, because you seem like a cool dude and all, but why such negativity in your posts? Need to lighten up, man. We have the best starting 5 in the league! 

[EJPLAYA]

LOL on marbury's twitter:

Of the father the son and the holy spirit. That's why I wear number 3 for trilogy.

I think you mean Trinity bud...

That's gotta be one of he funniest things that I have ever read! TP for sharing it.