Cavs sign Jamario Moon to offer sheet

[wdleehi]

I don't understand why we moved on from Moon if he is going to sign for so little money and actaully wanted to play here.

at 6'8" with a decent outside shot, it seems like he fit better what we needed than Daniels

Maybe the Cavs didn't buy Miami's bluff that they would match a small offer.  Who knows?

I do like Moon a lot better than Daniels as a player, but I can see why the C's brass likes Daniels for our team.  It's the same reasoning that keeps TA around: they want someone other than Rondo and Pierce who can consistently attack a defense off the bounce.  Moon would complement Rondo and Pierce much better, and bring more stat-stuffing goodness to the table, but Daniels can at least play the Rondo/Pierce role to a limited degree.

As for the Cavs, they are shaping up, but they still don't have a complete impact player to put next to Bron.  Mo Williams and D-West are still undersized combo guards, Parker's got a well-rounded skill-set but doesn't even come close to 2nd banana talent, Shaq can only score and rebound for 2/3s of the season at this point, Varejao still doesn't pose a threat on offense, Z is offense only, and now with Moon, they have another great fill in the cracks player.  The Cavs are going to overwhelm people in the regular season again (I'm betting Shaq will play sparingly), but I think they'll continue to be average against the really good teams.

They are basing their entire team on an assumption that LeBron will consistently dismantle opposing defenses and that the rest of the players need only to be able to capitalize on these opportunities.  

What were the Celtics going to use to offer Moon?  Can't use the LLE.  The min is less then the qualifying offer.

[celticinorlando]

parker and moon are role players that the cavs are going to be counting on for big things...just dont see it.

[ForexPirate]

this is probably a dumb question but can Miami sign Moon and then trade him to the Celtics?  Are we still out of the picture for moon?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't understand why we moved on from Moon if he is going to sign for so little money and actaully wanted to play here.

at 6'8" with a decent outside shot, it seems like he fit better what we needed than Daniels

Probably because Boston threw it's entire MLE on Wallace.  Cleveland must have used what ever MLE it hadn't used to make an offer for Moon.  (which could be matched)

are you saying that Moon is going to sign for more than the LLE?

I think if they want Miami not to match, they would have to offer a bit more. 

What is his qualifying offer anyways?

i believe it is 1 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4339432


Can't be the LLE

League rules dictate that offer sheets must span three years in length

And this

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the Cavs have about $3.2 million left of their $5.9 million mid-level exception that they can use in whole or part to sign Moon.

I think that's wrong.

Pretty sure an offer sheet has to be at least two years, not three.

I think the reporter is confused with offer sheets to players with maximum qualifying offers, which Moon is not.

[wdleehi]

this is probably a dumb question but can Miami sign Moon and then trade him to the Celtics?  Are we still out of the picture for moon?

What do the Celtics have to give up that Miami would want?

[wdleehi]

I don't understand why we moved on from Moon if he is going to sign for so little money and actaully wanted to play here.

at 6'8" with a decent outside shot, it seems like he fit better what we needed than Daniels

Probably because Boston threw it's entire MLE on Wallace.  Cleveland must have used what ever MLE it hadn't used to make an offer for Moon.  (which could be matched)

are you saying that Moon is going to sign for more than the LLE?

I think if they want Miami not to match, they would have to offer a bit more. 

What is his qualifying offer anyways?

i believe it is 1 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4339432


Can't be the LLE

League rules dictate that offer sheets must span three years in length

And this

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the Cavs have about $3.2 million left of their $5.9 million mid-level exception that they can use in whole or part to sign Moon.

I think that's wrong.

Pretty sure an offer sheet has to be at least two years, not three.

It said only two of the years have to be guaranteed. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't understand why we moved on from Moon if he is going to sign for so little money and actaully wanted to play here.

at 6'8" with a decent outside shot, it seems like he fit better what we needed than Daniels

Probably because Boston threw it's entire MLE on Wallace.  Cleveland must have used what ever MLE it hadn't used to make an offer for Moon.  (which could be matched)

are you saying that Moon is going to sign for more than the LLE?

I think if they want Miami not to match, they would have to offer a bit more. 

What is his qualifying offer anyways?

i believe it is 1 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4339432


Can't be the LLE

League rules dictate that offer sheets must span three years in length

And this

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the Cavs have about $3.2 million left of their $5.9 million mid-level exception that they can use in whole or part to sign Moon.

I think that's wrong.

Pretty sure an offer sheet has to be at least two years, not three.

It said only two of the years have to be guaranteed. 

Again, the quote of League Rules dictating that contract must be three years in length is wrong. Moon can be signed with the LLE.

[wdleehi]

From Larry Coon

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q36

If the player's prior team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, then the offer sheet must be for at least three seasons (not including option years).

So, it comes down to what the qualifying offer is.

[BudweiserCeltic]

From Larry Coon

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q36

If the player's prior team also submitted a maximum qualifying offer, then the offer sheet must be for at least three seasons (not including option years).

So, it comes down to what the qualifying offer is.

As mentioned above before you quoted me, Moon doesn't qualify to get that kind of qualifying offer given that he's only been in the league for 2 years. And no way Miami gives him that kind of deal if he were to qualify.

[tenn_smoothie]

once again i ask ........... how the hell are the cavs able to afford all these upgrades and we can't ?

all i've read is how good a player Moon would have been for this team - but somehow he is out of reach for us. then, the Cavs scoop him right up ? what the hell ?

[winsomme]

so CLE has 3.2 million left of it's 5.9 MLE?

does that mean that Anthony Parker only signed for 2.7 million? wow.

[star18]

If the Cavs get Moon, who are they losing.  As of now they have 18 guys on their roster and Moon would make it 19 so they have to be losing somebody.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If the Cavs get Moon, who are they losing.  As of now they have 18 guys on their roster and Moon would make it 19 so they have to be losing somebody.

I think you're looking in the wrong place. They don't have 19 players under contract.

[wdleehi]

once again i ask ........... how the hell are the cavs able to afford all these upgrades and we can't ?

all i've read is how good a player Moon would have been for this team - but somehow he is out of reach for us. then, the Cavs scoop him right up ? what the hell ?

They traded for Shaq.


They split the money the Celtics used for Wallace between two players. 

[tenn_smoothie]

once again i ask ........... how the hell are the cavs able to afford all these upgrades and we can't ?

all i've read is how good a player Moon would have been for this team - but somehow he is out of reach for us. then, the Cavs scoop him right up ? what the hell ?

They traded for Shaq.


They split the money the Celtics used for Wallace between two players. 

is Rasheed twice the player that either Moon or Parker is ?  what's the general opinion on that ?

if he is - and we add Daniels on top of that plus an LLE point guard who is a good shooter and then we keep
Glen Davis and Leon Powe .......... well, we may be on to something here.