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Is Danny planning on doing anything about a back-up PG?
« on: July 17, 2009, 11:59:33 PM »

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I don't mean to be impatient but i haven't heard any talk outside these forums.
Rondo is arguably our worst starter (in comparison with other PGs).  If Perk gets a competent back-up (2 if we get back Baby, maybe 3 if we sign another big big).  Why is getting Rondo help not a big priority?
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Re: Is Danny planning on doing anything about a back-up PG?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2009, 12:01:15 AM »

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I don't mean to be impatient but i haven't heard any talk outside these forums.
Rondo is arguably our worst starter (in comparison with other PGs).  If Perk gets a competent back-up (2 if we get back Baby, maybe 3 if we sign another big big).  Why is getting Rondo help not a big priority?
Worst starter, what?

Rondo is a better player than Perkins and is top 10 in the league at his position.

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2009, 12:10:42 AM »

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Wow, tough post.

Dude our team is stacked, need I remind you we won the title with Rondo and an aging Sam Cassell and a natural two gaurd Eddie House in 2008?

Or how Rondo is blooming into an all-star who knows how to lead a championship team?

I see your concern for a backup, but it shouldnt be because Rondo is our "worst" starter.  I feel like you're just making up a problem there....

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2009, 12:18:51 AM »

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I apologize for using the word worst, I'm gonna get a lot of hate for that.
But how many Centers can you say are as good as Perkins?  Be honest, Perkins is more dominant in his position.  Rondo is in the same league as over half of the other PGs in the league, several of which are unarguably better.
Look at it this way:  if we put in a mediocre back-up Center against most teams, he'd be able to hold his own.  If we put in a mediocre PG against most teams, there's a good chance it could kill us.  I'm not saying we have to go after Andre Miller, but we'd be A LOT better off if we had a guy at least as good as Marbury.
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Re: Is Danny planning on doing anything about a back-up PG?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2009, 12:26:31 AM »

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I still disagree.

Again, I go back to reference our championship season with an even less experienced Rondo, who wasn't averaging triple doubles in the playoffs. 

In the first half of those playoffs was Sam Cassell backing up, who wasn't really dazzling anyone on defense or offense.  The second half saw Eddie house as a backup, who is a sub par ball handler. We got by with Ray or Paul handling the ball and playing solid TEAM defense. A talented backup PG does not put this team over the top because they are already over the top if healthy and with the possibility of Sheed, Baby, Daniels, and House off the bench.

Come to think of it, Daniels is a pretty [dang] good ball handler and is a great driver. Him bringing up the ball and Sheed sitting the high pick and roll sounds pretty appetizing to me....almost Howard-Turkoglu like

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2009, 12:27:33 AM »

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Though I will add Daniels is not the passer Turkoglu is.

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2009, 01:15:29 AM »

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I think that Pruitt or Hudson should be able to handle it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2009, 01:40:52 AM »

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I don't mean to be impatient but i haven't heard any talk outside these forums.
Rondo is arguably our worst starter (in comparison with other PGs).  If Perk gets a competent back-up (2 if we get back Baby, maybe 3 if we sign another big big).  Why is getting Rondo help not a big priority?

You can't teach length. If Rondo goes down, we have other ways to work around it. Hard to work around size.

With Daniels here, I'm not sure we'll go after a PG at the moment with Daniels being able to share some of the ball controlling duties with the second unit.

Before Daniel was signed, our priority should've been to solidify our big men situation. It still should be.

If a good worthwhile PG is around, go get him. Otherwise, don't bother.

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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2009, 01:44:36 AM »

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I don't mean to be impatient but i haven't heard any talk outside these forums.
Rondo is arguably our worst starter (in comparison with other PGs).  If Perk gets a competent back-up (2 if we get back Baby, maybe 3 if we sign another big big).  Why is getting Rondo help not a big priority?

You can't teach length. If Rondo goes down, we have other ways to work around it. Hard to work around size.

With Daniels here, I'm not sure we'll go after a PG at the moment with Daniels being able to share some of the ball controlling duties with the second unit.

Before Daniel was signed, our priority should've been to solidify our big men situation. It still should be.

If a good worthwhile PG is around, go get him. Otherwise, don't bother.

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2009, 01:44:53 AM »

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I still disagree.

Again, I go back to reference our championship season with an even less experienced Rondo, who wasn't averaging triple doubles in the playoffs. 

In the first half of those playoffs was Sam Cassell backing up, who wasn't really dazzling anyone on defense or offense.  The second half saw Eddie house as a backup, who is a sub par ball handler. We got by with Ray or Paul handling the ball and playing solid TEAM defense. A talented backup PG does not put this team over the top because they are already over the top if healthy and with the possibility of Sheed, Baby, Daniels, and House off the bench.

Come to think of it, Daniels is a pretty [dang] good ball handler and is a great driver. Him bringing up the ball and Sheed sitting the high pick and roll sounds pretty appetizing to me....almost Howard-Turkoglu like
I've got to stick to my guns and say Paul, Ray, and House all do best off the ball.  I also feel that Pruiit or Hudson should be able to handle it, but i can't say that with certainty because i haven't seen them play nearly enough, and with the right line-up, and at the right times.  All i can say is, if Pruitt could really handle it, why did we bother with Cassel and Marbury?  If he's improved enough to step up to the plate, then Danny or Doc should tell us this so we're not in the dark.  We're not the ones seeing them in practice everyday.
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Re: Is Danny planning on doing anything about a back-up PG?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2009, 01:48:27 AM »

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I don't mean to be impatient but i haven't heard any talk outside these forums.
Rondo is arguably our worst starter (in comparison with other PGs).  If Perk gets a competent back-up (2 if we get back Baby, maybe 3 if we sign another big big).  Why is getting Rondo help not a big priority?

You can't teach length. If Rondo goes down, we have other ways to work around it. Hard to work around size.

With Daniels here, I'm not sure we'll go after a PG at the moment with Daniels being able to share some of the ball controlling duties with the second unit.

Before Daniel was signed, our priority should've been to solidify our big men situation. It still should be.

If a good worthwhile PG is around, go get him. Otherwise, don't bother.
I think anybody is better than no one.
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Re: Is Danny planning on doing anything about a back-up PG?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2009, 03:36:41 AM »

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I lineup of....

House
Pruitt
Daniels
Davis
Wallace

Daniels is a good rebounder and is better at playing inside, plus he's a pretty decent ball handler.

House and Pruitt can hit the 3's while Gabe has even shown the ability to drive the lane.

Davis has obviously shown us all alot since adding his little jump shot, he can also hold his own in the low post.

Sheed can play essentially everywhere, inside and outside. So with this lineup he could either post up and take advantage of the floor spacing (very much like Orlando's offense where if he's doubled he kicks out for the 3, and if its single coverage he'll just take his man)... or he can stretch the floor even more for Daniels/Pruitt/Walker in the lanes.

But i don't EVER expect to see a lineup without any starters... but i guess you could count Sheed as a starter.

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2009, 06:23:33 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2009, 06:31:23 AM »

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Sources Tell That Big Baby Ball Sign or Trade, Back Up Point Man Need and Finding Impact Veteran Minimum Pieces Are On Immediate Horizon.

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Yeah, but I doubt he takes the LLE if we do a sign-and-trade for Daniels.

EDIT: He signed with the Pacers.
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