Why dont we try to sign BBD now?

[wdleehi]

If another team wants BBD - they're going to offer him a lot of money, so that the C's dont match. So basically - if we go this route, and match the offer - we're over paying.

Except who is offering a big contract? 


And if some team overpays Davis, the Celtics say good bye and pick up another big man to play the 10 minute a night roll.

[Chris]

If another team wants BBD - they're going to offer him a lot of money, so that the C's dont match. So basically - if we go this route, and match the offer - we're over paying.

Except who is offering a big contract? 


And if some team overpays Davis, the Celtics say good bye and pick up another big man to play the 10 minute a night roll.

Right, and if there is even a chance another team could offer a big contract (and yes, his agent would know if there is any chance at all), why would Davis resign with Boston right now, rather than waiting it out? 

[BballTim]

So when I bought a house - I shopped around for a couple months before you found one I loved. Once I found one, I made an offer fairly quickly, I was nervous, I was calling my agent twice a day to see what the status was, trying to get the sellers to agree my offer, before another potential buyer could come in with a higher amount.

But what you're saying is, when you guys bought your house, once you found one you loved, you sat there, waiting, until somebody else also liked the house and made an offer. Is that what you did? Or did you evaluate the house, and then made an offer below fair value, in anticipation of negotiating to a common ground which you both thought was fair?

In which scenario do you offer more money - one where you are the only bidder, or one where you know somebody else is making another bid?

  What you're describing is unrestricted free agency. What if I were selling a house that you were trying to buy. I tell you that if I negotiate a selling price with someone else that you can match if you want and buy the house. The other bidders also know that you can match if you want. Would you bid on the house first or would you wait to see what others might offer for the house? If you thought other people might bid between $300k and $600k on the house what would you offer for it? You want to pay $350k but are willing to go up to $450k. Do you offer $400k? What if there are no offers on the house? You've just spent an extra $100k. And if there's half a chance someone will offer $500k do I take your bid of $400k instead of waiting? If so, why?

[bobdelt]

So when I bought a house - I shopped around for a couple months before you found one I loved. Once I found one, I made an offer fairly quickly, I was nervous, I was calling my agent twice a day to see what the status was, trying to get the sellers to agree my offer, before another potential buyer could come in with a higher amount.

But what you're saying is, when you guys bought your house, once you found one you loved, you sat there, waiting, until somebody else also liked the house and made an offer. Is that what you did? Or did you evaluate the house, and then made an offer below fair value, in anticipation of negotiating to a common ground which you both thought was fair?

In which scenario do you offer more money - one where you are the only bidder, or one where you know somebody else is making another bid?

  What you're describing is unrestricted free agency. What if I were selling a house that you were trying to buy. I tell you that if I negotiate a selling price with someone else that you can match if you want and buy the house. The other bidders also know that you can match if you want. Would you bid on the house first or would you wait to see what others might offer for the house? If you thought other people might bid between $300k and $600k on the house what would you offer for it? You want to pay $350k but are willing to go up to $450k. Do you offer $400k? What if there are no offers on the house? You've just spent an extra $100k. And if there's half a chance someone will offer $500k do I take your bid of $400k instead of waiting? If so, why?

No - you offer the lowest reasonable amount. Why allow anyone to drive up the price if you don't have to? The seller has the interest to do this so that they can move on and other intangibles.

I think because he's restricted is the exact reason the other teams bid will be higher - trying to avoid the C's from matching it.

BBD could sign (I'm not saying he would) - if the C's courted him, and offered a contract now - so he can move on with his life, get a signing bonus, etc. Money is important, but maybe BBD like what he has here, and would be willing to sign a contract for a reasonable amount before hearing offers from other teams. I'm not saying this has to happen, or would happen, but it doesn't seem like they even tried.

I'm 100% certain other teams are interest in Davis, but they're battling over if it's worth giving him an offer that the C's wont be able to match? (which would be at least $4 million imo). So basically if a team were to give BBD's an offer, they are forced to over pay in order to avoid the C's matching- as it's pointless to give an offer you know the C's would match. So no matter what, BBD will be overpaid.

[LooseCannon]

1) BBD isn't as important as a house.
2) BBD and his agent probably believe that fair value is higher than it actually is.  Glen Davis thinks he can be a starter in this league and wants to be paid a starter's salary.  If Ainge thinks that is way above fair value, then I agree with Ainge.
3) The qualifying offer is the lowest reasonable amount.  Both Ainge and BBD seem to be waiting for another team to make a firm offer to set the terms of what a reasonable counter-offer from the Davis camp might be.
4) The Celtics shouldn't care if another team overpays BBD.  They should only care if the Celtics overpay BBD.
5) If no team is willing to overpay BBD, then BBD will not be overpaid, no matter what.

[Rtpas11]

I think the Celtics are waiting for him to find a deal out there 1st.  If all possibilities dry up, then the Celtics can offer less money and not make Davis feel like they are cheating him.

Exactly.  The only way Davis will sign with the C's right now is if they overpay him.  Until all of the other options dry up, or he gets an offer, there is now way to determine the market value.

So if the C's were to offer him $3 million a year, Davis would just turn it down, and say he wants to hear what other teams have to offer.  But it would make no sense for Boston to offer more than that, since they would essentially be bidding against themselves.

lol. you can't compare the housing market to basket ball players, because of one word... TRADE!!! DA is smart he know what he's doing. I gurantee you no matter the offer for Big Baby he'll match, because he could either trade him later, or keep him for the rest of the season. He's still a very good PF. Its a win win situation, but DA rather let Baby look elsewhere.

[mgent]

Why doesn't Danny tell BBD how much the C's want him, and that he has a good deal here, and sign BBD to a contract before another team decides to overpay him and have BBD sign an offer sheet - that we'd have to match?

Why dont we offer a contract to him, and put BBD's potential suitors on the spot to make a decision today? Now BBD can still wait - he doesnt need to agree to anything - but wouldn't you rather play for a team that wants you? Instead of one that waited all summer to consider giving you an offer? Or a team that only gave you a contract after another team did?

I know it's "business" - but it seems to me we could sign BBD for less if we courted him this off season, instead of treating him like a clearance item at Filenes.

That's bad business and Baby knows that, i doubt he's insulted.  The Celtics made it clear they want him and are willing to match what he's worth to them.  The C's don't want to look desperate for players.  Davis has made it clear he would leave if it means more money, so he's hoping other teams will overpay for him (but as you can see nobody has because there has been better PFs on the market this year).  So if we were to make him an offer he wouldn't accept it knowing there's still a chance for more money out there.  Honestly, there's no rush to lock him down now, and even if we try it doesn't mean other teams will move faster.  In fact they'll probably move slower so our money remains locked up.  The final reason is, if we offer him more money and it turns out no one was willing offer that much, we'd end up either paying MORE than the amount we would have had to match, or we'd lose out on picking him up for only the qualifying offer (although it's unlikely that no team will even offer him the LLE).  And if teams are willing to offer more than what we offered we'd have a chance to match that amount anyway, so as you can see there's really nothing for us to gain.
This is the whole idea behind a restricted agent, it gives us an advantage.  What you proposed would make him equivalent to any other unrestricted free agent (throwing an offer at him and hoping either no one will match it or that it's not more than anyone else would have been willing to offer in the first place).  This is why we had to give a qualifying offer in the first place, meaning we would be stuck with him if no one else wanted him (as you can see with Powe, Danny didn't feel he was worth the QO, and he didn't want to get stuck with an injured player for that much money).

[CbrewEra]

Honestly, I don't get what the big deal about this guy is.  He's a 6'6 pf or C.  With his skill set i'd say the sky is the limit if he were taller, but how much can you really do at that height at those positions?  very, very limited player i think, maybe the product of playing with great players?

[BballTim]

So when I bought a house - I shopped around for a couple months before you found one I loved. Once I found one, I made an offer fairly quickly, I was nervous, I was calling my agent twice a day to see what the status was, trying to get the sellers to agree my offer, before another potential buyer could come in with a higher amount.

But what you're saying is, when you guys bought your house, once you found one you loved, you sat there, waiting, until somebody else also liked the house and made an offer. Is that what you did? Or did you evaluate the house, and then made an offer below fair value, in anticipation of negotiating to a common ground which you both thought was fair?

In which scenario do you offer more money - one where you are the only bidder, or one where you know somebody else is making another bid?

  What you're describing is unrestricted free agency. What if I were selling a house that you were trying to buy. I tell you that if I negotiate a selling price with someone else that you can match if you want and buy the house. The other bidders also know that you can match if you want. Would you bid on the house first or would you wait to see what others might offer for the house? If you thought other people might bid between $300k and $600k on the house what would you offer for it? You want to pay $350k but are willing to go up to $450k. Do you offer $400k? What if there are no offers on the house? You've just spent an extra $100k. And if there's half a chance someone will offer $500k do I take your bid of $400k instead of waiting? If so, why?

No - you offer the lowest reasonable amount. Why allow anyone to drive up the price if you don't have to? The seller has the interest to do this so that they can move on and other intangibles.

I think because he's restricted is the exact reason the other teams bid will be higher - trying to avoid the C's from matching it.

BBD could sign (I'm not saying he would) - if the C's courted him, and offered a contract now - so he can move on with his life, get a signing bonus, etc. Money is important, but maybe BBD like what he has here, and would be willing to sign a contract for a reasonable amount before hearing offers from other teams. I'm not saying this has to happen, or would happen, but it doesn't seem like they even tried.

I'm 100% certain other teams are interest in Davis, but they're battling over if it's worth giving him an offer that the C's wont be able to match? (which would be at least $4 million imo). So basically if a team were to give BBD's an offer, they are forced to over pay in order to avoid the C's matching- as it's pointless to give an offer you know the C's would match. So no matter what, BBD will be overpaid.

  But why would Davis take the lowest reasonable offer? He probably went into the offseason expecting a MLE type of offer. Why would he sign with us if he thought that he could get a bigger offer by waiting a few weeks?

[mgent]

So when I bought a house - I shopped around for a couple months before you found one I loved. Once I found one, I made an offer fairly quickly, I was nervous, I was calling my agent twice a day to see what the status was, trying to get the sellers to agree my offer, before another potential buyer could come in with a higher amount.

But what you're saying is, when you guys bought your house, once you found one you loved, you sat there, waiting, until somebody else also liked the house and made an offer. Is that what you did? Or did you evaluate the house, and then made an offer below fair value, in anticipation of negotiating to a common ground which you both thought was fair?

In which scenario do you offer more money - one where you are the only bidder, or one where you know somebody else is making another bid?

  What you're describing is unrestricted free agency. What if I were selling a house that you were trying to buy. I tell you that if I negotiate a selling price with someone else that you can match if you want and buy the house. The other bidders also know that you can match if you want. Would you bid on the house first or would you wait to see what others might offer for the house? If you thought other people might bid between $300k and $600k on the house what would you offer for it? You want to pay $350k but are willing to go up to $450k. Do you offer $400k? What if there are no offers on the house? You've just spent an extra $100k. And if there's half a chance someone will offer $500k do I take your bid of $400k instead of waiting? If so, why?

No - you offer the lowest reasonable amount. Why allow anyone to drive up the price if you don't have to? The seller has the interest to do this so that they can move on and other intangibles.

I think because he's restricted is the exact reason the other teams bid will be higher - trying to avoid the C's from matching it.

BBD could sign (I'm not saying he would) - if the C's courted him, and offered a contract now - so he can move on with his life, get a signing bonus, etc. Money is important, but maybe BBD like what he has here, and would be willing to sign a contract for a reasonable amount before hearing offers from other teams. I'm not saying this has to happen, or would happen, but it doesn't seem like they even tried.

I'm 100% certain other teams are interest in Davis, but they're battling over if it's worth giving him an offer that the C's wont be able to match? (which would be at least $4 million imo). So basically if a team were to give BBD's an offer, they are forced to over pay in order to avoid the C's matching- as it's pointless to give an offer you know the C's would match. So no matter what, BBD will be overpaid.

The lowest reasonable price in the NBA is the lowest possible price, aka the qualifying offer.  We offered him that.  Now we wait to see if the lowest possible price goes up before we commit to more money.
By the way, if Baby is comparable to a $300k house, that must make KG a mansion on a private freaking island.

[bobdelt]

Looks like we did. Instead of waiting for him to accept his "qualifying offer" - so DA obviously read my post and listened to me.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Looks like we did. Instead of waiting for him to accept his "qualifying offer" - so DA obviously read my post and listened to me.

About a month later? Hehe.