Why dont we try to sign BBD now?

[bobdelt]

Why doesn't Danny tell BBD how much the C's want him, and that he has a good deal here, and sign BBD to a contract before another team decides to overpay him and have BBD sign an offer sheet - that we'd have to match?

Why dont we offer a contract to him, and put BBD's potential suitors on the spot to make a decision today? Now BBD can still wait - he doesnt need to agree to anything - but wouldn't you rather play for a team that wants you? Instead of one that waited all summer to consider giving you an offer? Or a team that only gave you a contract after another team did?

I know it's "business" - but it seems to me we could sign BBD for less if we courted him this off season, instead of treating him like a clearance item at Filenes.

[dark_lord]

how do u know what has and hasnt been said behind closed doors?!

[Cman]

Why doesn't Danny tell BBD how much the C's want him, and that he has a good deal here, and sign BBD to a contract before another team decides to overpay him and have BBD sign an offer sheet - that we'd have to match?

Why dont we offer a contract to him, and put BBD's potential suitors on the spot to make a decision today? Now BBD can still wait - he doesnt need to agree to anything - but wouldn't you rather play for a team that wants you? Instead of one that waited all summer to consider giving you an offer? Or a team that only gave you a contract after another team did?

I know it's "business" - but it seems to me we could sign BBD for less if we courted him this off season, instead of treating him like a clearance item at Filenes.

The Cs want to keep open the option of using him in a sign and trade.

Also, I doubt they are treating him poorly.  We hear through BBD/his agent that the Cs haven't done enough to keep him, but that is because BBD/his agent are trying to signal to potential other teams that the Cs won't match.  Notice how whenever you hear BBD/his agent grumbling a few days later you hear Danny talking about how he wants BBD back?  It is just the typical back and forth between agent and team....  Just thank your lucky stars that BBD's agent isn't Scott Boras.

[wdleehi]

I think the Celtics are waiting for him to find a deal out there 1st.  If all possibilities dry up, then the Celtics can offer less money and not make Davis feel like they are cheating him.

[Change]

You don't want to bid against yourself. Its best to let the market determine his price. With sheed on board, time is on our side.

[Birdbrain]

I remember Ainge stating that he was more than likely matching any offer (within reason).  Patience is virtue.

Ainge is pimping BBDs agent.

[Brickowski]

The short answer is that you don't bid against yourself.  Let the market determine his value.  What's the rush?

[P2]

With sheed on board, time is on our side.

How about no? Sheed is good, but he is no Tim Duncan.

What's the rush?

The chance to end up with Tony Allen as your backup SF?

[the_Bird]

There are a couple possible scenarios:

1. BBD signs an offer sheet that Danny's comfortable matching - something like 3yr/$10M.  Danny matches, and we're fine; BBD's not going to sign for less.

2. Some team manages to clear cap space and BBD signs an offer sheet at something like 3yr/$15M or 4yr/$16M.  Danny decides not to match.  That would be disappointing - but the likelihood of an offer coming at more than $4M/yr is unlikely because of how few teams have cap space or their full MLE to spend, and a long-term contract offer is unlikely because of BBD's questional commitment to conditioning.  So, it's a bad outcome, but I think a fairly low-risk outcome.

3. From management's perspective, the best-case scenario is that BBD does NOT get a decent contract offer, and rather than sign a contract or offer sheet like that in scenario #1, he signs the qualifying offer, which I believe is around $1M.  While they'd like to sign BBD to a long-term contract...   given that they ARE paying the luxury tax and still want to bring in more players, you think they'd really rather have BBD under a 3yr/$10M contract, or 1yr/$1M?  

If BBD ends us signing the qualifying offer, we might lose him in 2010.  But, we've got him under contract for next year's run, you know he'll be motivated because he wants to get paid in 2010, and you save probably $4M - $5M next year given the luxury tax.  

Ownership WANTS BBD to sign the QO.  They'll gladly match a fair contract, but that's the second-best alternative.

[acieEarl]

Danny's just letting the market dictate BBaby's value. Maybe an insult to BBaby but smart move by Ainge. If someone does make an offer, it's going to be lower than BBaby expected and Celts can easily match.

[BballTim]

Why doesn't Danny tell BBD how much the C's want him, and that he has a good deal here, and sign BBD to a contract before another team decides to overpay him and have BBD sign an offer sheet - that we'd have to match?

Why dont we offer a contract to him, and put BBD's potential suitors on the spot to make a decision today? Now BBD can still wait - he doesnt need to agree to anything - but wouldn't you rather play for a team that wants you? Instead of one that waited all summer to consider giving you an offer? Or a team that only gave you a contract after another team did?

I know it's "business" - but it seems to me we could sign BBD for less if we courted him this off season, instead of treating him like a clearance item at Filenes.

  What do you think Baby's asking price is? I'd guess it's the most his agent thinks he could possibly get from another team. If he thinks Poretland might offer Davis the full MLE in a few weeks why would he sign a reasonable deal with us now?

[ben]

Why doesn't Danny tell BBD how much the C's want him, and that he has a good deal here, and sign BBD to a contract before another team decides to overpay him and have BBD sign an offer sheet - that we'd have to match?

Why dont we offer a contract to him, and put BBD's potential suitors on the spot to make a decision today? Now BBD can still wait - he doesnt need to agree to anything - but wouldn't you rather play for a team that wants you? Instead of one that waited all summer to consider giving you an offer? Or a team that only gave you a contract after another team did?

I know it's "business" - but it seems to me we could sign BBD for less if we courted him this off season, instead of treating him like a clearance item at Filenes.

Danny already gave big baby a contract offer.

[celts55]

With sheed on board, time is on our side.

How about no? Sheed is good, but he is no Tim Duncan.

What's the rush?

The chance to end up with Tony Allen as your backup SF?

Huh and Huh? First, while Wallace may not be Tim Duncan he is probably the best back up big in the league right now. I don't really see whoever the 4th big is getting much PT, so I have to agree there's no big hurry to sign one.
Second, what does signing Davis have to do with Tony Allen as your back up SF? Are you suggesting the Baby is a option at SF? I'm a little confused by the coralation. Can you please clearify it for me?

[Chris]

I think the Celtics are waiting for him to find a deal out there 1st.  If all possibilities dry up, then the Celtics can offer less money and not make Davis feel like they are cheating him.

Exactly.  The only way Davis will sign with the C's right now is if they overpay him.  Until all of the other options dry up, or he gets an offer, there is now way to determine the market value.

So if the C's were to offer him $3 million a year, Davis would just turn it down, and say he wants to hear what other teams have to offer.  But it would make no sense for Boston to offer more than that, since they would essentially be bidding against themselves.

[bobdelt]

So when I bought a house - I shopped around for a couple months before you found one I loved. Once I found one, I made an offer fairly quickly, I was nervous, I was calling my agent twice a day to see what the status was, trying to get the sellers to agree my offer, before another potential buyer could come in with a higher amount.

But what you're saying is, when you guys bought your house, once you found one you loved, you sat there, waiting, until somebody else also liked the house and made an offer. Is that what you did? Or did you evaluate the house, and then made an offer below fair value, in anticipation of negotiating to a common ground which you both thought was fair?

In which scenario do you offer more money - one where you are the only bidder, or one where you know somebody else is making another bid?

If another team wants BBD - they're going to offer him a lot of money, so that the C's dont match. So basically - if we go this route, and match the offer - we're over paying.

You guys think we can save money by waiting for another offer for BBD, but just like every other restricted free agent out there (Millsap, Gortat) - the offer will be high to try to avoid the C's from matching.

Now I'm not saying it's easy to sign BBD now for a fair contract - I'm just saying it doesn't seem like the Celtics are even trying. sign a fair contract) - we are waiting for other bids.