Our roster will be the same for training camp!

[P2]

I'm sorry for creating this topic, but this is totally freaking me out.

• Danny wants to have Baby back, but at the same time he is exploring countless unrealistic sign-and-trade deals. So what does he want? Keep him or give him away?
• If we want to sign and trade Big Baby, we have to find a team first that is willing to do this and give us something we need in return. But those teams are basically all in for highway robbery, so it seems quite unrealistic we are going to get a player like Outlaw, etc.
• If Baby wants to go to Utah since Boozer is going to be traded, that will take forever. They first have to trade away Boozer, which is not happening in the near future and will take quite a lot of time (they want to find the "right" package", and Detroit isn't even interested in him anymore), and only then they will have to assemble a deal with us.
• We depend the rest of our roster on the BBD situation, as previously mentioned by some people, because of the "right choice" for the LLE. And since the BBD situation doesn't seem to end in a month or two, we won't add to our roster.
• Pruit, Giddens and Walker are ready. Yeah, right.

Danny may be busy, but it seems to me that he is going the wrong direction. Isn't it easier to sign some decent players than going for the best of the best, which is pretty unlikely? Also posted on the forums:

I also saw on ESPN news bottom line that Davis is apparently going to skip training camp, or in football terms hold out, due to contract disputes and the fact that i guess the celtics either aren't making progress in time to sign him, or their offers are much lower than BBD is looking for.

Wow. Can you say "training camp roster"?

[Cman]

I'm just not too worried at this point.  BBD will either be back with the Cs for a decent price ($3M or so) or will be involved in a S&T netting the Cs a player of need.

There is still plenty of time to sign, let alone trade for, decent bench players.

Also, as in the past Danny will sign extra players to non-guaranteed contracts for training camp to create competition (D. Miles, B. Wallace, D. Jones, etc etc).

[Roy Hobbs]

I also saw on ESPN news bottom line that Davis is apparently going to skip training camp, or in football terms hold out, due to contract disputes and the fact that i guess the celtics either aren't making progress in time to sign him, or their offers are much lower than BBD is looking for.

Wow. Can you say "training camp roster"?

This isn't even an accurate story.  BBD won't show up for the *Team USA* camp, not the Celtics training camp.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Not worried at all.

[BballTim]

I'm sorry for creating this topic, but this is totally freaking me out.

• Danny wants to have Baby back, but at the same time he is exploring countless unrealistic sign-and-trade deals. So what does he want? Keep him or give him away?

  Sign and trade means not giving him away, but getting something in return.

• If we want to sign and trade Big Baby, we have to find a team first that is willing to do this and give us something we need in return. But those teams are basically all in for highway robbery, so it seems quite unrealistic we are going to get a player like Outlaw, etc.

  If Portland wanted to do a sign and trade for Davis who besides Outlaw would they have to offer that they'd rather get rid of?

• If Baby wants to go to Utah since Boozer is going to be traded, that will take forever. They first have to trade away Boozer, which is not happening in the near future and will take quite a lot of time (they want to find the "right" package", and Detroit isn't even interested in him anymore), and only then they will have to assemble a deal with us.

  They're replacing Boozer's salary with Millsap's. Do they want to pay Baby on top of that?

• We depend the rest of our roster on the BBD situation, as previously mentioned by some people, because of the "right choice" for the LLE. And since the BBD situation doesn't seem to end in a month or two, we won't add to our roster.
• Pruit, Giddens and Walker are ready. Yeah, right.

  I don't think we're missing out on anyone great if we wait. And we can still add a player or two with the vet min.

Danny may be busy, but it seems to me that he is going the wrong direction. Isn't it easier to sign some decent players than going for the best of the best, which is pretty unlikely?

  They got their #1 target already. You just want him to hurry and sign anyone.

Also posted on the forums:

I also saw on ESPN news bottom line that Davis is apparently going to skip training camp, or in football terms hold out, due to contract disputes and the fact that i guess the celtics either aren't making progress in time to sign him, or their offers are much lower than BBD is looking for.

Wow. Can you say "training camp roster"?

  That was the USA training camp, not the Celtics training camp. Why would he hold out from the Celts? He's negotiating all over the league. It's not like we're offering him a deal or paying him well below his worth.

[celticinorlando]

I'm sorry for creating this topic, but this is totally freaking me out.

• Danny wants to have Baby back, but at the same time he is exploring countless unrealistic sign-and-trade deals. So what does he want? Keep him or give him away?
• If we want to sign and trade Big Baby, we have to find a team first that is willing to do this and give us something we need in return. But those teams are basically all in for highway robbery, so it seems quite unrealistic we are going to get a player like Outlaw, etc.
• If Baby wants to go to Utah since Boozer is going to be traded, that will take forever. They first have to trade away Boozer, which is not happening in the near future and will take quite a lot of time (they want to find the "right" package", and Detroit isn't even interested in him anymore), and only then they will have to assemble a deal with us.
• We depend the rest of our roster on the BBD situation, as previously mentioned by some people, because of the "right choice" for the LLE. And since the BBD situation doesn't seem to end in a month or two, we won't add to our roster.
• Pruit, Giddens and Walker are ready. Yeah, right.

Danny may be busy, but it seems to me that he is going the wrong direction. Isn't it easier to sign some decent players than going for the best of the best, which is pretty unlikely? Also posted on the forums:

I also saw on ESPN news bottom line that Davis is apparently going to skip training camp, or in football terms hold out, due to contract disputes and the fact that i guess the celtics either aren't making progress in time to sign him, or their offers are much lower than BBD is looking for.

Wow. Can you say "training camp roster"?

i agree with u 100 percent...posted the same thing yesterday. we got what we got and think they will try to piece together a wing back up out of tony, jr and walker unfortunatly...as for baby he will be back in boston..not worried about him at all there.

second unit next season:

pruitt
eddie
walker 
baby
sheed

i wouldn't mind that second unit if we could find a legit option at the wing that can score and defend. i would even take pruitt playing point to get a legit back up wing.

[P2]

Are the C's trying to assemble a championship-worthy roster? Yes, but at the lowest possible price and the easiest way possible. Why do you want to take a chance with Walker, Giddens, Tony and Pruitt, in hope that it will work out and the rest of the roster will take you to the championship, if you can just go out and, yes, overpay for some guys and get the best bench possible to make sure you've got the best team out there to begin with? Maybe Danny is trying to do that with sign-and-trade deals, but let's be realistic: The chance of it happening is slim.

[wdleehi]

Are the C's trying to assemble a championship-worthy roster? Yes, but at the lowest possible price and the easiest way possible. Why do you want to take a chance with Walker, Giddens, Tony and Pruitt, in hope that it will work out and the rest of the roster will take you to the championship, if you can just go out and, yes, overpay for some guys and get the best bench possible to make sure you've got the best team out there to begin with? Maybe Danny is trying to do that with sign-and-trade deals, but let's be realistic: The chance of it happening is slim.

They already spent the MLE.  They tried to spend the LLE. 


How is that the lowest price available?

[Birdbrain]

I thought Boston was over the cap?  Any chance all the backup wing posts could be lumped into 1 big thread so we can chose to avoid them?

[P2]

Are the C's trying to assemble a championship-worthy roster? Yes, but at the lowest possible price and the easiest way possible. Why do you want to take a chance with Walker, Giddens, Tony and Pruitt, in hope that it will work out and the rest of the roster will take you to the championship, if you can just go out and, yes, overpay for some guys and get the best bench possible to make sure you've got the best team out there to begin with? Maybe Danny is trying to do that with sign-and-trade deals, but let's be realistic: The chance of it happening is slim.

They already spent the MLE.  They tried to spend the LLE. 


How is that the lowest price available?

Sheed alone isn't going to win you the championship, especially if you have "proven" guys like Walker, Giddens, Pruitt... and yeah, Tony "Frickin" Allen on your bench.

Right now, they are trying to get all kinds of helpful players with lowball offers, whoever bites first, wins! But that is not the right attitude in putting together a championship roster.

[Cman]

Are the C's trying to assemble a championship-worthy roster? Yes, but at the lowest possible price and the easiest way possible. Why do you want to take a chance with Walker, Giddens, Tony and Pruitt, in hope that it will work out and the rest of the roster will take you to the championship, if you can just go out and, yes, overpay for some guys and get the best bench possible to make sure you've got the best team out there to begin with? Maybe Danny is trying to do that with sign-and-trade deals, but let's be realistic: The chance of it happening is slim.

They already spent the MLE.  They tried to spend the LLE. 


How is that the lowest price available?

Sheed alone isn't going to win you the championship, especially if you have "proven" guys like Walker, Giddens, Pruitt... and yeah, Tony "Frickin" Allen on your bench.

Right now, they are trying to get all kinds of helpful players with lowball offers, whoever bites first, wins! But that is not the right attitude in putting together a championship roster.

We can relax a bit... the season hasn't started yet, and so there is still time for S&Ts, trades, and FAs to step up for the vet min/ LLE.

But let's be realistic -- the Cs don't have much to work with: They used the MLE (which I was shocked about -- I thought the management wouldn't want to go even further into luxury tax), and so all they have left is the LLE, vet min.  They didn't "low ball" Grant Hill -- they gave him the most they could -- the LLE and a chance for a ring.  He chose to take more money from a team that could offer him more (PHX).

[fantankerous]

Are the C's trying to assemble a championship-worthy roster? Yes, but at the lowest possible price and the easiest way possible. Why do you want to take a chance with Walker, Giddens, Tony and Pruitt, in hope that it will work out and the rest of the roster will take you to the championship, if you can just go out and, yes, overpay for some guys and get the best bench possible to make sure you've got the best team out there to begin with? Maybe Danny is trying to do that with sign-and-trade deals, but let's be realistic: The chance of it happening is slim.

They already spent the MLE.  They tried to spend the LLE. 


How is that the lowest price available?

Sheed alone isn't going to win you the championship, especially if you have "proven" guys like Walker, Giddens, Pruitt... and yeah, Tony "Frickin" Allen on your bench.

Right now, they are trying to get all kinds of helpful players with lowball offers, whoever bites first, wins! But that is not the right attitude in putting together a championship roster.

How are they lowball offers? The maximum we can offer a FA is the LLE and we have shown a willingness to spend it.

We've already spent the MLE, we've publicly declared our intention of bring BBD back at fair-market value, explored sign and trade options, and have been linked to several trade rumors this offseason. It seems that Ainge is exploring every avenue for improving this team.

This 'sky is falling' perspective that exists on this board because our roster isn't complete by mid-July is crazy. There are a myriad of factors that collude during free agency that make it a drawn out process. In addition, the economic climate at the backdrop of this offseason makes it particularly unique because a lot of players believe they are worth more than the market is currently willing to pay them, e.g. BBD.

My message to the doomsday prognosticators is clear: "Calm Down."

[dark_lord]

it is july 17th....there is still time to add players and make some moves.  patience is a virtue!

[hwangjini_1]

Are the C's trying to assemble a championship-worthy roster? Yes, but at the lowest possible price and the easiest way possible. Why do you want to take a chance with Walker, Giddens, Tony and Pruitt, in hope that it will work out and the rest of the roster will take you to the championship, if you can just go out and, yes, overpay for some guys and get the best bench possible to make sure you've got the best team out there to begin with? Maybe Danny is trying to do that with sign-and-trade deals, but let's be realistic: The chance of it happening is slim.

They already spent the MLE.  They tried to spend the LLE. 


How is that the lowest price available?

Sheed alone isn't going to win you the championship, especially if you have "proven" guys like Walker, Giddens, Pruitt... and yeah, Tony "Frickin" Allen on your bench.

Right now, they are trying to get all kinds of helpful players with lowball offers, whoever bites first, wins! But that is not the right attitude in putting together a championship roster.

We can relax a bit... the season hasn't started yet, and so there is still time for S&Ts, trades, and FAs to step up for the vet min/ LLE.

But let's be realistic -- the Cs don't have much to work with: They used the MLE (which I was shocked about -- I thought the management wouldn't want to go even further into luxury tax), and so all they have left is the LLE, vet min.  They didn't "low ball" Grant Hill -- they gave him the most they could -- the LLE and a chance for a ring.  He chose to take more money from a team that could offer him more (PHX).

very good points on grant hill. it is not as if the celtics are unwilling to pay at all. they took their best shot at getting hill.

i do believe that ainge learned the value of having a good bench. so far, he got wallace, whom i think was the best player to get for the team.

as for the back up sf position, most of us at cb wish ainge would sign, trade, do something now now now now. let's face it. we are passionate and involved, but we aint very patient as a group.

tough as it may be, we have to wait for ainge.

i also think ainge will bring in a bunch of interesting players for camp. put them all together, let them play, and see who does well.

[Junkyard Dawg]

enough of this doom and gloom forecasting!  there's like 4 months left until the season starts!

The thing I hope we do this season that we didn't do much of in the past is get our bench guys in, and playing in the system, early in the year as opposed to signing these guys with a month or two left in the season and hoping they get their crap together for the playoff run.