Would N.O. really Deal Chris Paul?

[winsomme]

I'd give up Rondo and Ray in a deal for him, but not Perk as well. We could fill in at the 2, especially with CP3's ability to score, but we couldn't lose the big man. Chandler is a bust.

How about this though that works in the machine:

Boston sends: Ray, Rondo, TA, and Giddens
NO sends: CP3 and Peja

CP3, House, Pruitt
Peja, House, Walker
PP, Walker, TBD
KG, Rasheed, BBD
Perk, Rasheed, TBD

I definitely like Ray over Peja, but CP3 over Rondo is such a big jump that it would be worth it.

Boston gets a big jump at the PG spot and not a huge dropoff at the 2. They don't have to worry about Rondo's extension so soon as CP3 has 3 years.

NO gets expiring deals in RAY, Giddens, TA, and even Rondo if they choose. If they think he is worth it they re-up him at likely less than CP3's contract.

this is a pretty reasonable deal for both teams. I think NO would want Rondo to sign an extension in the 9-10 million per range before they do it....which I'm not sure Rondo would do going to a new team. he might want to hit FA if he gets traded...

but leaving that aside, I really don't think you can trade Ray at this point. like i said to Bball, you can't have Ray so much a part of the Sheed pitch and then ship him out.

Which is it? The first post you said it is bad for both teams and the second you say it is pretty reasonable for both teams. While I agree with the Sheed part of it, If Sheed thought they would increase their likelihood at winning a championship dramatically with making a move then I am sure he would live...

when did i say it was bad for both teams? we talked about Ray-Rondo deals for like two weeks straight prior to the draft and CP definitely came up because rumors about NO being willing to move were popping up back then.

what i said is that this kind of deal made more sense back then, but after Danny goes to Ray and says hey i want you in on the pitch to Sheed and then they all go out together to sell Sheed on what he would be coming to I think it's bad  form to, a week later, do a major trade like this that shakes up the whole roster.....

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'd give up Rondo and Ray in a deal for him, but not Perk as well. We could fill in at the 2, especially with CP3's ability to score, but we couldn't lose the big man. Chandler is a bust.

How about this though that works in the machine:

Boston sends: Ray, Rondo, TA, and Giddens
NO sends: CP3 and Peja

CP3, House, Pruitt
Peja, House, Walker
PP, Walker, TBD
KG, Rasheed, BBD
Perk, Rasheed, TBD

I definitely like Ray over Peja, but CP3 over Rondo is such a big jump that it would be worth it.

Boston gets a big jump at the PG spot and not a huge dropoff at the 2. They don't have to worry about Rondo's extension so soon as CP3 has 3 years.

NO gets expiring deals in RAY, Giddens, TA, and even Rondo if they choose. If they think he is worth it they re-up him at likely less than CP3's contract.

this is a pretty reasonable deal for both teams. I think NO would want Rondo to sign an extension in the 9-10 million per range before they do it....which I'm not sure Rondo would do going to a new team. he might want to hit FA if he gets traded...

but leaving that aside, I really don't think you can trade Ray at this point. like i said to Bball, you can't have Ray so much a part of the Sheed pitch and then ship him out.

Considering that Rondo would be a restricted free-agent, I don't think they would care much to force him to sign an extention as a condition for a trade.

[Prof. Clutch]

Whoever lands him got the better end of the deal, I'll tell you that much.  Hard to match an almost walking triple double, franchise leading, 23 year old point guard.  He almost instantly makes your team able to compete and makes everyone around him better.  What more can you ask for?

[winsomme]

I'd give up Rondo and Ray in a deal for him, but not Perk as well. We could fill in at the 2, especially with CP3's ability to score, but we couldn't lose the big man. Chandler is a bust.

How about this though that works in the machine:

Boston sends: Ray, Rondo, TA, and Giddens
NO sends: CP3 and Peja

CP3, House, Pruitt
Peja, House, Walker
PP, Walker, TBD
KG, Rasheed, BBD
Perk, Rasheed, TBD

I definitely like Ray over Peja, but CP3 over Rondo is such a big jump that it would be worth it.

Boston gets a big jump at the PG spot and not a huge dropoff at the 2. They don't have to worry about Rondo's extension so soon as CP3 has 3 years.

NO gets expiring deals in RAY, Giddens, TA, and even Rondo if they choose. If they think he is worth it they re-up him at likely less than CP3's contract.

this is a pretty reasonable deal for both teams. I think NO would want Rondo to sign an extension in the 9-10 million per range before they do it....which I'm not sure Rondo would do going to a new team. he might want to hit FA if he gets traded...

but leaving that aside, I really don't think you can trade Ray at this point. like i said to Bball, you can't have Ray so much a part of the Sheed pitch and then ship him out.

Considering that Rondo would be a restricted free-agent, I don't think they would care much to force him to sign an extention as a condition for a trade.

a lot of teams are going to have money next off season. Rondo could get a pretty lucrative deal from someone that would put NO right back in the spot they are in now.

they're just looking to trim costs. they still want to stay competitive.

[Hoops]

Portland seems like a more realistic trading partner. They need a starting PG (Blake is a perfect backup) and they have loads of young, cheap talent. Oh yeah, and they have cap space. If I were NO, I'd be talking to Pritchard, not Ainge.

[footey]

Whoever lands him got the better end of the deal, I'll tell you that much.  Hard to match an almost walking triple double, franchise leading, 23 year old point guard.  He almost instantly makes your team able to compete and makes everyone around him better.  What more can you ask for?

Who you talking about, Paul or Rondo??

[footey]

I think Rondo is the better fit for this Rondo than Paul. Paul would want to dominate the ball too much. We know the chemistry with Rondo works very well. You just don't know how Paul would mesh with big 3 and now "Sheed.

[winsomme]

Portland seems like a more realistic trading partner. They need a starting PG (Blake is a perfect backup) and they have loads of young, cheap talent. Oh yeah, and they have cap space. If I were NO, I'd be talking to Pritchard, not Ainge.

but who do they have that they would be willing to give up that is better than Rondo?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think Rondo is the better fit for this Rondo than Paul. Paul would want to dominate the ball too much. We know the chemistry with Rondo works very well. You just don't know how Paul would mesh with big 3 and now "Sheed.

This "better fit" crap is going overboard.

Paul has been an MVP candidate for the last couple of years, and you're going to worry about Rondo being a better fit? Which he isnt...

[paintitgreen]

I think Rondo is the better fit for this Rondo than Paul. Paul would want to dominate the ball too much. We know the chemistry with Rondo works very well. You just don't know how Paul would mesh with big 3 and now "Sheed.

This "better fit" crap is going overboard.

Paul has been an MVP candidate for the last couple of years, and you're going to worry about Rondo being a better fit? Which he isnt...

TP. Paul can do everything better than Rondo except rebound, and he's far better at some things. Don't get me wrong, Rondo is a very good young point guard and an incredibly valuable piece to what we have here but Paul is just that ridiculously good. Like I said before in long-winded fashion, Rondo has the potential to be, and arguably is now, one of the 5 best point guards in the NBA for the next 8-10 years. Paul has the potential to be, and almost definitely is now, one of the 5 best players in the NBA for the next 8-10 years, and might go down as one of the 3-5 best point guards ever to play the game. When you're talking about a player like that, the fit happens. 

[winsomme]

I think Rondo is the better fit for this Rondo than Paul. Paul would want to dominate the ball too much. We know the chemistry with Rondo works very well. You just don't know how Paul would mesh with big 3 and now "Sheed.

This "better fit" crap is going overboard.

Paul has been an MVP candidate for the last couple of years, and you're going to worry about Rondo being a better fit? Which he isnt...

I don't know I kinda buy elements of the better fit argument. Paul is clearly the better player and probably always will be.

but that NO team was terrible last year. there definitely was a chemistry problem. they had injuries, but their problems went deeper than that.

[mgent]

Yeah right, absolutely not.
You know how bad our team would suck if we gave up the people needed to make this happen?  We only have 7 actual players on our roster in the first place....

[snively]

Yeah right, absolutely not.
You know how bad our team would suck if we gave up the people needed to make this happen?  We only have 7 actual players on our roster in the first place....

I was a fan of the Ray/Rondo for just Paul idea early in the summer, but I guess that's not feasible, and I'm not sure if I'd even want to do it anymore.  When your starters are as good as ours, and especially as good a fit as Rondo and Ray, than you don't really want to dismember them to upgrade 1 position.  As good as Paul is, he's not so much better than Rondo that I want to throw away 1 or 2 other starters to bring him in. Especially with Sheed on board, Rondo's shooting (Paul's one major advantage over him) is not that big of a deal, and losing Ray's shooting would really hurt.

Rondo, Ray and Perk are collectively a lot better for this team than Chris Paul and Hornets cast-offs.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'd give up Rondo and Ray in a deal for him, but not Perk as well. We could fill in at the 2, especially with CP3's ability to score, but we couldn't lose the big man. Chandler is a bust.

How about this though that works in the machine:

Boston sends: Ray, Rondo, TA, and Giddens
NO sends: CP3 and Peja

CP3, House, Pruitt
Peja, House, Walker
PP, Walker, TBD
KG, Rasheed, BBD
Perk, Rasheed, TBD

I definitely like Ray over Peja, but CP3 over Rondo is such a big jump that it would be worth it.

Boston gets a big jump at the PG spot and not a huge dropoff at the 2. They don't have to worry about Rondo's extension so soon as CP3 has 3 years.

NO gets expiring deals in RAY, Giddens, TA, and even Rondo if they choose. If they think he is worth it they re-up him at likely less than CP3's contract.

this is a pretty reasonable deal for both teams. I think NO would want Rondo to sign an extension in the 9-10 million per range before they do it....which I'm not sure Rondo would do going to a new team. he might want to hit FA if he gets traded...

but leaving that aside, I really don't think you can trade Ray at this point. like i said to Bball, you can't have Ray so much a part of the Sheed pitch and then ship him out.

Considering that Rondo would be a restricted free-agent, I don't think they would care much to force him to sign an extention as a condition for a trade.

a lot of teams are going to have money next off season. Rondo could get a pretty lucrative deal from someone that would put NO right back in the spot they are in now.

they're just looking to trim costs. they still want to stay competitive.

Not at the same spot. They'll save Peja's contract.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think Rondo is the better fit for this Rondo than Paul. Paul would want to dominate the ball too much. We know the chemistry with Rondo works very well. You just don't know how Paul would mesh with big 3 and now "Sheed.

This "better fit" crap is going overboard.

Paul has been an MVP candidate for the last couple of years, and you're going to worry about Rondo being a better fit? Which he isnt...

I don't know I kinda buy elements of the better fit argument. Paul is clearly the better player and probably always will be.

but that NO team was terrible last year. there definitely was a chemistry problem. they had injuries, but their problems went deeper than that.

The roster was built very poorly and they had quite a few key injuries... NO's struggle wasn't Paul's doing.

22 points per game, at 50% shooting, 36% from 3-pointer, 11 assits per game... come on.

Their big man situation was horrible, and that played a huge role. They didn't address that need, instead choosing to overpay for Posey. Then we have Peja who was underperforming and got injured close to the playoffs making matters worse.