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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #105 on: July 11, 2009, 11:28:44 PM »

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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #106 on: July 11, 2009, 11:31:39 PM »

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I would rather the Celtics played 4 on 5 than have TA on the court.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #107 on: July 11, 2009, 11:37:52 PM »

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I think every team needs a player they 'love to hate'.  It just makes it looks like they love the other players that much more, and allows them to deny the fact that they love everything that happens to their team.
Also, regarding the Ben Gordon foul, it gives them someone to blame when things don't go their way.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #108 on: July 11, 2009, 11:43:42 PM »

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Or maybe people are just tired of a guy whose penchant for mental mistakes is off the charts.

Just sayin ...
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #109 on: July 11, 2009, 11:47:52 PM »

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I think every team needs a player they 'love to hate'.  It just makes it looks like they love the other players that much more, and allows them to deny the fact that they love everything that happens to their team.
Also, regarding the Ben Gordon foul, it gives them someone to blame when things don't go their way.

Still...with one of the best defensive coaches and a great team to learn from, you'd think that after 2 years you'd know that when you have a player trapped on the sidelines, 29 feet away with the buzzer about to sound, you just put your hands up. You DONT have to jump.

I'm still happy because that produces the overtime to the greatest game I've ever been to this season...but still.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #110 on: July 12, 2009, 09:49:57 AM »

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I think every team needs a player they 'love to hate'.  It just makes it looks like they love the other players that much more, and allows them to deny the fact that they love everything that happens to their team.
Also, regarding the Ben Gordon foul, it gives them someone to blame when things don't go their way.

I'm more partial toward CoachBo's intimation that teams need players who consistently help them win games.

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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #111 on: July 12, 2009, 11:11:23 AM »

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I think every team needs a player they 'love to hate'.  It just makes it looks like they love the other players that much more, and allows them to deny the fact that they love everything that happens to their team.
Also, regarding the Ben Gordon foul, it gives them someone to blame when things don't go their way.

I didn't hate anyone on the 08 championship squad (at least the playoff roster), and I didn't hate Tony either. Tony was good at what he did then. I just didn't like him on the 09 squad as the 20-25 minute guy behind Pierce.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #112 on: July 12, 2009, 11:33:55 AM »

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Tony's had a boatload of chances, more than his game deserved. It's revealing, also, that people still glory in letting Posey walk over a year, but never talk about the destination of a good chunk of that money - down the toilet with Tony.

He just isn't capable of playing winning NBA basketball. Maybe his place is on a consistently bad club where his inability to think the game isn't as magnified as it is here.

But after six years, it's abundantly clear that his place isn't on the Boston Celtics.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #113 on: July 12, 2009, 12:07:33 PM »

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Don't hate the player but hate the GM who kept taking a chance on him...DA could have passed on Tony last summer but seems to have this devotion to him.I hate his  game more than the player.

Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #114 on: July 12, 2009, 12:25:27 PM »

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You guys are sick. I wouldn't go as far as saying "I hate the guy" geez thats a harsh statement. TA's problem is a direct reflection of how Doc plays him. Doc is a decent coach, will be a great coach if he utilized his bench better.

starting 5 of Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett & Perkins = Whom strive off defense and Rondos Ability to push the ball quickly and make plays.

Bench of, House, TA, Scalabrine, Powe & Davis = House is a shooter, not a play maker, TA is a slasher/defender of the passing lanes, not a shooter/ball handler/nor play maker, Scal is another shooter, Powe is a post player/defender/rebounder, and Glen Davis now has evolved into being a Shooter/Scorer/defender. Is something missing???? of course!!! There is no play maker coming off the bench. These guys are all stand still players @ best. They thrive off the attention of the other greats when in game.

Doc needs to mesh the bench with the starters. If Rondos in the game put in Eddie, TA or Walker and rest Ray and Pierce. etc... He benches these guys all game and then expects them to be "ready". Uh Huh ???

Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #115 on: July 12, 2009, 12:28:18 PM »

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Uh, no.

It isn't a coach's fault that a player doesn't grasp the nuances of the game after six years. Tony Allen doesn't play because Tony Allen cannot be trusted not to hurt the ballclub when he does play.

Blaming his problems on Doc is WAY off base.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #116 on: July 12, 2009, 12:29:16 PM »

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Everyone is talking about how we need to get rid of him.  Personally, i think he's a very decent player.  He certainly hasn't played to his potential for the better part of these past 2-3 years.  However, I have faith that he can fit in with this team quite well.  Unless of course we actually look into decent trades, then i wouldn't be against unloading his contract.

You may love Toney Allen but I honestly hate the guy and think he is one of the stupidest players in the NBA and he has problems off the court too.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #117 on: July 12, 2009, 12:42:36 PM »

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Uh, no.

It isn't a coach's fault that a player doesn't grasp the nuances of the game after six years. Tony Allen doesn't play because Tony Allen cannot be trusted not to hurt the ballclub when he does play.

Blaming his problems on Doc is WAY off base.

 all the blame is not Doc but most of it is. You try sitting on a bench for 42mins and then be told to come in to defend the other team's best player...lol Doc isn't using Tony right. Tony Allen game is equivalent to Dhantay Jones game. Thats why Jones didn't play much in Denver, but he started and played at least 14mins a game which is better than getting stiffed on a bench. TA is not a 1, nor 2, but a undersized 3. His defense is his offense. Not 1 on 1 D, but team D (pressing and deflecting passes). Not saying he should start, but he should play more, more with the starters for defensive purposes... The problem lies here though. Our Starting pg is not a Offensive threat, so he makes it harder for guys like TA to play along side him. Our bench pg is an offensive threat, but he needs offense to be created for him, so that makes it harder for guys like TA to play along side with. Chauncy or Nash is the ideal pg for a guy like TA to stay on the floor with. Pruitt could be that, but he hasn't proved yet. :-\

Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #118 on: July 12, 2009, 05:58:30 PM »

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I've always been a TA fan, but he's not a very good fit for the team.  His non-existent J makes for terrible spacing when Rondo is on the floor, and his turnover-prone ways make him a poor fit as a ball-handler to pair with Eddie House.  His erratic play makes him a poor fit for the playoffs as well.

But I still like a lot about his game.  As bad as his ball-handling is, his first step is so explosive that he can still get to the rim in the half-court set.  While his touch is pretty poor now that he isn't dunking everything, he's good at drawing fouls, and he hits his FTs at a decent rate.

And while his jumper is bad, I think his shooting this past season was something of an anomaly.  He was sub 30% eFG% on his Js for the first time in his career (his best season was 07-08 when he was at 42%eFG).  I predict an uptick from historically bad to just bad this season.

As for his defense, while he is often foolish, his tools are unmatched on the team.  He has superb lateral quickness and strength, and pretty good length.  While his foul on Ben Gordon was unforgivable, up until that moment, which was of course the most crucial moment, his defense was amazing. 

I'm pretty sure TA will be elsewhere by midseason, but I am interested to see if his game improves at all with Sheed playing alongside him.  On a 2nd unit with House, Scal, Sheed and either Pierce or Ray, I wonder if there would be enough floor-spacing and steady veteran presences for a guy like TA to play more effectively.

Last season we had some terribly-matched bench units, sometimes with only one shooter on the floor.  But we'll see.
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Re: I love Tony Allen
« Reply #119 on: July 12, 2009, 11:01:09 PM »

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I agree "Snively" tommy point for that ;)

TA game struggles because of the situation he's put in. He's not a good fit for the C's, based on how Doc uses him. If you're going to play TA the line up should be: Ray Allen, Tony Allen, Scalabrine, RaSheed & and Whomever our back-up center or power-forward is going to be. TA with Eddie House is disaster.

Now say for instance we got StackHouse: Eddie House would be able to co-exist with Tony Allen, because StackHouse will be the primary offensive attention. He's a creator of his own shot, and has the ability to create for others when he wants. With Sheed in the paint (requires double teaming), it'll be difficult to stop such offense. I believe Allen & Scal with Giddens are all out the door anyhow, so screw it. lol