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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1020 on: July 22, 2009, 09:04:10 AM »

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Nobody was saying that Gilbert shouldn't be considered because he was injured. Plus I believe that part of the rules is in regards to players that play in Europe regarding returning to the NBA.

The rules are in regard to Europe players and retired players.  You as a GM need to provide real news saying a buyout is in progress or return is being considered for them to be an active player. 

If this is all it takes for a player to be considered active in this league, it is far less of a stretch to take "Real News" saying gilbert is healthy and in the best shape in the past 5 years and assume he will be healthy for this season
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1021 on: July 22, 2009, 09:07:46 AM »

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Either way, Im going to let my case rest with this, you all are more than welcome to post responses and stuff but hopefully for now we can let it end here.  Hopefully I have convinced you not to harpoon my team because of biases against my players.  If not its cool, I will as Kwhit said, just have to wait until the mid season vote, which is fine, im ok with that.  In the mean time thanks for listening to my argument. 
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1022 on: July 22, 2009, 09:09:05 AM »

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Nobody was saying that Gilbert shouldn't be considered because he was injured. Plus I believe that part of the rules is in regards to players that play in Europe regarding returning to the NBA.

The rules are in regard to Europe players and retired players.  You as a GM need to provide real news saying a buyout is in progress or return is being considered for them to be an active player. 

If this is all it takes for a player to be considered active in this league, it is far less of a stretch to take "Real News" saying gilbert is healthy and in the best shape in the past 5 years and assume he will be healthy for this season

I don't think you are getting it.  We all KNOW Gilbert is active in the league, we still have doubts about his abilities.  Organizations can say whatever they want about their OWN players (they won't say bad things).  So until we see him play I'll have my doubts about him BEFORE the season starts.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1023 on: July 22, 2009, 09:10:28 AM »

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News is that Gilbert is in the best shape since he joined the Wizards.  Also in the games he did play last year he was effective netting double digit points and assists in both games.  Granted it is a very small sample, but there is no reason he cant be just as effective if not more effective when he comes back after a summer more of Rehab with the Trainer that returned DWade to elite NBA status. 
All 2 games huh?!?!

Did you read what you typed before hitting the enter button?


Ya i did, did you read, "Granted it is a very small sample," before posting a snyde remark?
It's not snide and wasn't meant that way. It's just when you want to prove a point about his ability to come back and point to a two game stretch, that's comical. You're better off with the Grant Hill return argument or the reports from the trainers argument or that he is only 27 years old argument and had top 5 game before getting hurt at 25 years old argument.

Gilbert could be a heck of a pick. But don't you think that pointing to a two game stretch at the end of 2009 season as providing proof that he warrants a mid second round pick rather amusing.

Put it to you this way, if someone was trying to convince you of Marbury's ability to perform last year and pointed to a 2 games stretch he played in pre-season, you wouldn't find that comical?

Of course it was meant to be a snyde comment and thats fine, you dont have to back off just because I called you on it, stick with your guns.  And Preseason is different than regular season and your logic on the Marbury comparison is comical.  You say, "Arenas could be a heck of a pick," which is because you concerns are injury.  Whereas Marbury just has not been performing well in perfect health.  There is no reason to believe he will improve.  

I have "Real News," which the rules stat should be provided for a player to be given consideration that Arenas is in the best shape he has been in 5 years.  And if he played well in two games last year, what logic would you use to say, since your main concern is health, that after another 5 months of rehab with a respected trainer he wont be even better.  
It wasn't meant to be snide. I know what I meant. I thought it very funny.

Let me put it to you this way. Last year Big Baby started the year shooting horrendously but by February had worked things out and was showing that he was a much better shooter than the first two months of the season showed. I claimed he was a good outside shooter and that 2 months of increased shooting percentages proved my point. That was a stretch of over 30 games.

Many people who countered what I had to say laughed at me. They said 30+ games was too small a sample to determine if someone was a good shooter, you needed a real sample size. I thought 30 games was a great sample size. As it turns out Baby shot great the rest of the year and if he continues iot this year, I guess I'll have been proven correct.

But they had a bit of a point. Anyone can get hot for a while and maybe 30 games wasn't enough. But now we have a lot more to look at and those same people I was debating with have fallen back off their stances.

But you mentioned a 2 GAME STRETCH where he averaged a double double. Arenas has never averaged over 6 assists per game in his life. That pretty much proves that a 2 game stretch should never be considered when talking about a players game. Evevn Gerald Green had back to back game where he averaged over 20 points and 5 rebounds per game. Does that prove he is an All-Star.

Gilbert, like say any rookie, has potential to be great this year. But if I had to bet whether last year a reportedly fully healthy Marbury could come back and produce after a year plus away from the game or this year a reportedly fully healthy Arenas could come back and produce after 2 1/2 year away from the game with injuries and not personal problems, my money would be on Marbury all day.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1024 on: July 22, 2009, 09:12:06 AM »

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fair enough
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1025 on: July 22, 2009, 09:17:04 AM »

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Meanwhile, in real news

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/221786-promising-news-involving-lamar-odoms-return-to-the-los-angeles-lakers

The article sites Bynums Inury history as one of the main reasons the lakers need to keep Odom
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1026 on: July 22, 2009, 09:17:16 AM »

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Denver, after it's recent pickup, is looking to sell their 2nd 3rd rounder (14).  Looking for a slide down the third and hoping to pick up an extra 5th.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1027 on: July 22, 2009, 09:20:38 AM »

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Meanwhile, in real news

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/221786-promising-news-involving-lamar-odoms-return-to-the-los-angeles-lakers

The article sites Bynums Inury history as one of the main reasons the lakers need to keep Odom

You are drawing way too much from this one mention of Bynum...

"For instance, when Andrew Bynum went down with an injury last season; the Lakers needed someone to assume the starting role. Lamar Odom was there to save the day."

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1028 on: July 22, 2009, 09:22:02 AM »

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Well I mean the lakers arent even saying he is healthy.  I mean if his OWN organization isnt even saying he's healthy right now who knows.  Has anybody seen him recently, he may be dead....
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1029 on: July 22, 2009, 09:22:15 AM »

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Ok lets start the 3rd Round!

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1030 on: July 22, 2009, 09:25:17 AM »

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haha im ready, to quote Jsaad im regretting the arenas pick, not because of his ability or health, but because of the work that is involved.  I never imagined
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1031 on: July 22, 2009, 09:27:55 AM »

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Celtics select: Lamar Odom


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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1032 on: July 22, 2009, 09:29:46 AM »

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1033 on: July 22, 2009, 09:29:49 AM »

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Thread
« Reply #1034 on: July 22, 2009, 09:30:21 AM »

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Celtics looking to move down from 3.6