Rumor: Rip Hamilton for Carlos Boozer

[Who]

I think Utah get worse if they make this deal ... I'd just like to see Rip Hamilton play there ... The downgrade from Boozer to Rip is a large one, even if it secures better overall balance.

Detroit would make massive improvement with Boozer in the team.

[KingChre]

Utah is never going to be able to attract a FA, so it isn't a terrible deal for them though Hamilton is overpaid for what he produced last year and is tied to a 3 year deal.  

Still wonder if they'd be better off calling the Clippers about Chris Kaman, but that's their prerogative.  

Aside from Carlos Boozer, I assume?

[Chris]

Imagine Rip Hamilton playing in Jerry Sloan's offense? That would be nice, great fit for Rip.

Rip would also be their best perimeter defender. He could guard players like Kobe better than anyone else on Utah's roster. I'm hoping this goes through.

I think you are forgetting about Brewer, who is a very good defender.  But otherwise, I agree that Rip would be a great fit.  

Personally, I think this trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.  Utah has been looking for a legit wing like Rip for years, and have too many big men, and Detroit...well, Detroit is a mess, but it is a nice infusion of talent, and Rip was just a waste without a legit PG to feed him the ball of screens.  

While this is not a homerun for either team, since the Jazz are giving up better value, and it doesn't make Detroit THAT much better, it still makes sense.

[Fan from VT]

I know I can't resist, but:

Boston gives:
Ray Allen, Scal, Tony

Receives:
Kirilenko, Hamilton, NY First rounder or Brewer


Detroit gives:
Hamilton, future 1st

Receives:
Boozer


Utah gives:
Boozer, Kirilenko, NY 1st or Brewer

Receives:
Ray, Scal, Tony, Det 1st




Boston gets a pick for taking on so much salary. Utah gets their shooting guard, saves some short term money, and gets out of kirilenko's deal without taking long term money so they can build around Milsap and Williams. Detroit gets their upgrade at PF and gets rid of Hamilton's longer deal.

[Jeff]

if I understand this right, it isn't just about Boozer vs. Milsap

this is about who they can end up with next year

option A: Boozer and Milsap
option B: Milsap and Hamilton
option C: Boozer and nada (letting Milsap walk)

option B looks the best to me, but I'm not sure how all the finances and tax implications work out

[Who]

Imagine Rip Hamilton playing in Jerry Sloan's offense? That would be nice, great fit for Rip.

Rip would also be their best perimeter defender. He could guard players like Kobe better than anyone else on Utah's roster. I'm hoping this goes through.

I think you are forgetting about Brewer, who is a very good defender.  But otherwise, I agree that Rip would be a great fit.  

Personally, I think this trade makes a lot of sense for both teams.  Utah has been looking for a legit wing like Rip for years, and have too many big men, and Detroit...well, Detroit is a mess, but it is a nice infusion of talent, and Rip was just a waste without a legit PG to feed him the ball of screens.  

While this is not a homerun for either team, since the Jazz are giving up better value, and it doesn't make Detroit THAT much better, it still makes sense.

I don't rate Brewer as a very good defender, at least not his man-to-man defense which is barely above average. Brewer has a lot of defensive potential ... but at the moment, he gets feasted on by high level wings.

I love the idea of having Ronnie Brewer as a team's second best wing defender. That would be a brilliant combination, something that should be a priority for Utah if they plan on keeping Okur at center.

[Jeff]

by the way

Stucky
Gordon
Charlie V
Boozer
(center TBD)

bench of Prince and Maxiell

that's not half bad really - it just puts a lot of pressure on a brand new coach to get them all to buy in and gel together quickly

[Fafnir]

by the way

Stucky
Gordon
Charlie V
Boozer
(center TBD)

bench of Prince and Maxiell

that's not half bad really - it just puts a lot of pressure on a brand new coach to get them all to buy in and gel together quickly

They have no shot blocking to speak of and have weak defenders at most of their positions. I think they'll be  first round casaulty, but it'd depend on the match up.

[Chris]

by the way

Stucky
Gordon
Charlie V
Boozer
(center TBD)

bench of Prince and Maxiell

that's not half bad really - it just puts a lot of pressure on a brand new coach to get them all to buy in and gel together quickly

I don't think Villian can really play SF very well.  So it would be more like Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Charlie V, Boozer.

But you are right, that isn't half bad.  However, to me, it looks like a team stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.  They have a lot of talent there, but a lot of it is mismatched, and almost all of it is flawed.  I think they will be fighting for a 6th seed for the next 5 years.

[the_Bird]

I'm not convinced Stuckey is enough of a PG to lead that team, and Boozer ought to be playing PF.  Gordon and Charlie V don't give a rat's ass about playing D.  Boozer can rebound with the best of them, but that's negated by how medicore Charlie V is on the glass. 

They basically traded Billups for Gordon and Charlie V, which you would never do straight-up.  What they SHOULD have done was trade 'Sheed; I love 'Sheed in Boston, I think he's going to be a helluva player here, but he was D-U-N in Detroit.  Even though he was expiring, they should have kept Billups and send 'Sheed packing.  I don't care what the return was, they just needed him out of there; Rasheed Wallace is like a carton of milk, let's just say I'm glad he's getting a two-year contract.

A Chauncey/Stuckey/Price/Hamilton core is still pretty [dang] good, pretty well in their prime, and they still could have traded Rip for Boozer to replace 'Sheed's production (and more) up-front.  Would you rather have:

Stuckey
Gordon
Prince
Charlie V
Boozer,

or

Chauncey
Stuckey
Prince
Boozer (assuming a Rip-for-Boozer trade still happens)
McDyess (he won't resign now, but would for this squad).

I'd take the latter team, any day of the week.  This doesn't assume they would have gotten anything of note for trading 'Sheed.  Sure, it'd be nice to have a scorer; if you'd preferm assume they trade Prince instead of Rip. 

[Lucky17]

by the way

Stucky
Gordon
Charlie V
Boozer
(center TBD)

bench of Prince and Maxiell

that's not half bad really - it just puts a lot of pressure on a brand new coach to get them all to buy in and gel together quickly

I don't think Villian can really play SF very well.  So it would be more like Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Charlie V, Boozer.

But you are right, that isn't half bad.  However, to me, it looks like a team stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.  They have a lot of talent there, but a lot of it is mismatched, and almost all of it is flawed.  I think they will be fighting for a 6th seed for the next 5 years.

True, but Boozer's expiring contract could be used to acquire a better fitting big man, or they could let it come off the books and have cap space to play with for the summer of 2010. I don't think Dumars would acquire Boozer as a long-term solution for the Pistons.

[Rondoholic]

by the way

Stucky
Gordon
Charlie V
Boozer
(center TBD)

bench of Prince and Maxiell

that's not half bad really - it just puts a lot of pressure on a brand new coach to get them all to buy in and gel together quickly

I don't think Villian can really play SF very well.  So it would be more like Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Charlie V, Boozer.

But you are right, that isn't half bad.  However, to me, it looks like a team stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.  They have a lot of talent there, but a lot of it is mismatched, and almost all of it is flawed.  I think they will be fighting for a 6th seed for the next 5 years.

Charlie V will come off the bench, and they will sign someone to play the 5.  They are just TOO small if they start these 5, especially with a backcourt all 6'3" and under.

[P2]

agree, it makes a kind of sense for both teams

Same here.

[Chris]

by the way

Stucky
Gordon
Charlie V
Boozer
(center TBD)

bench of Prince and Maxiell

that's not half bad really - it just puts a lot of pressure on a brand new coach to get them all to buy in and gel together quickly

I don't think Villian can really play SF very well.  So it would be more like Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Charlie V, Boozer.

But you are right, that isn't half bad.  However, to me, it looks like a team stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.  They have a lot of talent there, but a lot of it is mismatched, and almost all of it is flawed.  I think they will be fighting for a 6th seed for the next 5 years.

True, but Boozer's expiring contract could be used to acquire a better fitting big man, or they could let it come off the books and have cap space to play with for the summer of 2010. I don't think Dumars would acquire Boozer as a long-term solution for the Pistons.

Who is a better fitting big man?  I actually think the big man rotation of Okur, Milsap, and Kirilenko is very good, particularly for Sloan's system.

[Lucky17]

by the way

Stucky
Gordon
Charlie V
Boozer
(center TBD)

bench of Prince and Maxiell

that's not half bad really - it just puts a lot of pressure on a brand new coach to get them all to buy in and gel together quickly

I don't think Villian can really play SF very well.  So it would be more like Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Charlie V, Boozer.

But you are right, that isn't half bad.  However, to me, it looks like a team stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.  They have a lot of talent there, but a lot of it is mismatched, and almost all of it is flawed.  I think they will be fighting for a 6th seed for the next 5 years.

True, but Boozer's expiring contract could be used to acquire a better fitting big man, or they could let it come off the books and have cap space to play with for the summer of 2010. I don't think Dumars would acquire Boozer as a long-term solution for the Pistons.

Who is a better fitting big man?  I actually think the big man rotation of Okur, Milsap, and Kirilenko is very good, particularly for Sloan's system.

I meant better fitting for Detroit. For instance, perhaps they could use Boozer's expiring deal to facilitate a trade to land Amare.

Stuckey
Gordon
Prince/CV
CV/Maxiell
Amare