As it stands today, who is better, the lakers or the celtics

[xmuscularghandix]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Perk is a defensive stopper, Bynum is an overrated chump (that you traded Shaq to get)

Shaq wasn't traded to get Bynum. Bynum was drafted by the Lakers. How is 14 and 8 from a 21 year old overrated?

My bad, but he's still overrated.

Remember when the entire city of LA said that you would have beat us with Bynum? like he's some sort of game changing superstar....

Thats 10x crazier than saying Perk is better than Bynum.

[kaoss128]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Perk is a defensive stopper, Bynum is an overrated chump (that you traded Shaq to get)

Shaq wasn't traded to get Bynum. Bynum was drafted by the Lakers. How is 14 and 8 from a 21 year old overrated?

My bad, but he's still overrated.

Remember when the entire city of LA said that you would have beat us with Bynum? like he's some sort of game changing superstar....

Thats 10x crazier than saying Perk is better than Bynum.

We did beat you with Bynum.

[wild]

Hard to tell, but I'm sure Celtics will be the most difficult team for the Fakers(im not even saying Lakers is better than Cs). Not even the Cavs nor Magic.

[kaoss128]

Hard to tell, but I'm sure Celtics will be the most difficult team for the Fakers(im not even saying Lakers is better than Cs). Not even the Cavs nor Magic.

Celtics are definitely the best team in the East.

[kg is king]

Perk's value to the Celtics is much more compared to Bynum's to the Lakers. Judging Kendrick Perkins solely based on his statistics is a mistake. What he brings to the table cannot be measured by stats. He single-handedly commanded the Celtic's interior defense last year when Garnett was out. Did you even see the Boston Orlando series? Dwight Howard was having a hard time matching up with Perkins due to his great defense. Watching Bynum guard Howard is comparable to Pau Gasol getting eaten alive by Garnett in the 2008 NBA Finals. That was fun to watch though...

[wild]

Perk's value to the Celtics is much more compared to Bynum's to the Lakers. Judging Kendrick Perkins solely based on his statistics is a mistake. What he brings to the table cannot be measured by stats. He single-handedly commanded the Celtic's interior defense last year when Garnett was out. Did you even see the Boston Orlando series? Dwight Howard was having a hard time matching up with Perkins due to his great defense. Watching Bynum guard Howard is comparable to Pau Gasol getting eaten alive by Garnett in the 2008 NBA Finals. That was fun to watch though...

Yeah. Couldn't agree more.

[kaoss128]

Perk's value to the Celtics is much more compared to Bynum's to the Lakers. Judging Kendrick Perkins solely based on his statistics is a mistake. What he brings to the table cannot be measured by stats. He single-handedly commanded the Celtic's interior defense last year when Garnett was out. Did you even see the Boston Orlando series? Dwight Howard was having a hard time matching up with Perkins due to his great defense. Watching Bynum guard Howard is comparable to Pau Gasol getting eaten alive by Garnett in the 2008 NBA Finals. That was fun to watch though...

Bynum did struggle against Howard because he still wasn't healthy in the playoffs but Gasol did a great job defending Howard. Kevin Garnett ate Pau Gasol alive in the finals? Sure that 18.2 ppg was nice, but not on 43% shooting.

[Rondo_is_better]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Perk is a defensive stopper, Bynum is an overrated chump (that you traded Shaq to get)

Shaq wasn't traded to get Bynum. Bynum was drafted by the Lakers. How is 14 and 8 from a 21 year old overrated?

Alright bud, just leave.

Pau a better offensive player than KG? That just makes me shake my head in amazement. Pau has a similar game to KG... he's just a worse passer, worse outside shooter, and worse rebounder. He's just not on KG's level, which is to say, a top 10 player.

And stats from Bynum don't mean jack. This over-hyping of Bynum's impact on the game of basketball has got to stop. He's mediocre. Perk is an absolutely ideal Center for the C's and fills his role better than Bynum, so in context of Celtics vs. Lakers Perkina >>>>>>>> Bynum.

Perk fills a size 10 shoe perfectly. Bynum is wearing 15's that are about 9 sizes to big for him. Take off the clown shoes, Andrew, and learn to accept that you're nothing,

Worse passer? Gasol is just as good of a passer. Worse outside shooter? Gasol is just as good of a shooter. Worse rebounder? Gasol is a better rebounder for his career. I won't say Gasol is better than KG. But he is the better offensive player. And any GM would rather have Bynum over Perkins.

again wrong on all counts. KG is one of the best passing big men of all time. Gasol is just...good. That shouldn't even be a point of contention. 

Outside shooting? Are you kidding when you say they're equal? KG is ****' automatic from his spots and is capable of hitting ridiculously tough shots over his defender. Pau is okay from a ways out with no one in his face.

Since we've established he is a worse passe and worse shooter, and is softer than the fluffiest cloud in the land of chocolate and gumdrops, it is also obvious that he is not the better offensive player. Fail.

And since Perkins has shut down Bynum time and time again and made him completely ineffective... I feel like you're claim might just be a teensy bit outlandish.

[kaoss128]

Worse passer? Gasol is just as good of a passer. Worse outside shooter? Gasol is just as good of a shooter. Worse rebounder? Gasol is a better rebounder for his career. I won't say Gasol is better than KG. But he is the better offensive player. And any GM would rather have Bynum over Perkins.

again wrong on all counts. KG is one of the best passing big men of all time. Gasol is just...good. That shouldn't even be a point of contention. 

Outside shooting? Are you kidding when you say they're equal? KG is ****' automatic from his spots and is capable of hitting ridiculously tough shots over his defender. Pau is okay from a ways out with no one in his face.

Since we've established he is a worse passe and worse shooter, and is softer than the fluffiest cloud in the land of chocolate and gumdrops, it is also obvious that he is not the better offensive player. Fail.

And since Perkins has shut down Bynum time and time again and made him completely ineffective... I feel like you're claim might just be a teensy bit outlandish.

I like how we are discussing power forwards and offense and you completely ignore post games. Is there a reason? And Gasol is money from mid-range not ok. Perkins shut down Bynum time and time again? Wow three games. Perkins didn't shut him down, but he did slow Bynum down.

[Roy Hobbs]

Worse rebounder? Gasol is a better rebounder for his career.

How so?

Career RPG:  KG -- 11.1, Pau -- 8.7

Career Reb Titles: KG -- 4 (10 times top 10), Pau - 0 (1 time in top 10)

2008-09, RP/36 min:  KG -- 9.9, Pau -- 9.4

2008-09, Reb%: KG -- 16.6, Pau -- 14.7

KG is a better rebounder, now and always.  It's really not even close.  Even last season, KG was a better rebounder, despite playing in pain and being hobbled by injury.

[kaoss128]

Worse rebounder? Gasol is a better rebounder for his career.

How so?

Career RPG:  KG -- 11.1, Pau -- 8.7

Career Reb Titles: KG -- 4 (10 times top 10), Pau - 0 (1 time in top 10)

2008-09, RP/36 min:  KG -- 9.9, Pau -- 9.4

2008-09, Reb%: KG -- 16.6, Pau -- 14.7

KG is a better rebounder, now and always.  It's really not even close.  Even last season, KG was a better rebounder, despite playing in pain and being hobbled by injury.

My mistake I looked at defensive rebounds for Garnett instead of total. That explains why I was actually surprised by the stat.

[kw10]

On paper, it looks like the Fakers are better, and apparently Odom said he's proud to be a Laker again lol...what a Faker. But at the end of the day, it's 5 players on the court playing a team game, and THAT I think the Celtics are better at (and that's why the Celts should be best in the east although the Cavs and Magic added better pieces-I don't see how they can play together as a team, although it's not impossible).
With that said, this would be a very interesting season.

[jdub1660]

All depends on Ainge's next moves.
We'll get Marquis but what about the rest of the bench.
Either way, even decent additions like vet PG, Bruce Bowen and PF/C would make us better than Lakers Vujajunk, Farmar, Walton, Odom, Powell

Rondo>Fisher      Bobby Jackson>Farmar
Ray<Kobe          Eddie>Vujajunk
Pierce>Artest     Daniels>Walton
KG>Gaysol         BBD<Odom
Perk>Bynum        Sheed>Powell

Our team isn't even done yet for summer additions so I say we win

[LB3533]

Lakers are better, don't even need to go player vs player.

[Rondo_is_better]

Worse passer? Gasol is just as good of a passer. Worse outside shooter? Gasol is just as good of a shooter. Worse rebounder? Gasol is a better rebounder for his career. I won't say Gasol is better than KG. But he is the better offensive player. And any GM would rather have Bynum over Perkins.

again wrong on all counts. KG is one of the best passing big men of all time. Gasol is just...good. That shouldn't even be a point of contention. 

Outside shooting? Are you kidding when you say they're equal? KG is ****' automatic from his spots and is capable of hitting ridiculously tough shots over his defender. Pau is okay from a ways out with no one in his face.

Since we've established he is a worse passe and worse shooter, and is softer than the fluffiest cloud in the land of chocolate and gumdrops, it is also obvious that he is not the better offensive player. Fail.

And since Perkins has shut down Bynum time and time again and made him completely ineffective... I feel like you're claim might just be a teensy bit outlandish.

I like how we are discussing power forwards and offense and you completely ignore post games. Is there a reason? And Gasol is money from mid-range not ok. Perkins shut down Bynum time and time again? Wow three games. Perkins didn't shut him down, but he did slow Bynum down.

I left out post game because KG's offense has transitioned into a more perimeter oriented game as he's aged and thus a comparison is not applicable between him and Pau. However, when KG does get into the paint, he has some of the best moves of anyone in the business and can score on anybody. He just doesn't do it often.

And Perkins would've shut down Bynum a lot more than 3 times if Bynum had just managed to be healthy (like Perk) for more than 30 games a season.

Gasol money from midrange? Watch a few Celtics game with KG on the Pick and Pop and you'll see what "money" really means.