As it stands today, who is better, the lakers or the celtics

[kaoss128]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

[kaoss128]

Bynum > Perkins
Gasol <= KG (Depends on how KG comes back from injury)
Artest < Pierce (Not by a lot)
Kobe >> Allen
Fisher < Rondo (He still can't shoot which means we can put Kobe on him)
LO > Rasheed (Sheed is old and slow just look at his stats)

Lakers top 6 > Celtics top 6

[TheLegendaryClub]

This thread got really classy since last I checked. There's no need for back and forth, unending arguments with the fans of the rival team, because obviously no one is going to concede their point. Each team has its biases, and that's why they think they're better. End of discussion. If you're here in peace then keep it peaceful, and don't try to incite arguments. We're not going to agree with you. Accept it, please.

Back to discussing with fellow CBers,

I honestly don't think it's a matter of whether LA or Boston is better anymore. LA isn't the only threat in the West. People seem to be forgetting that the Spurs have a very, very solid team right now.

If I have to make the assessment at this point in time? Well, I wouldn't.  Yes, LA looks intimidating, and the objective part of me has to say that were I neutral, I'd probably be placing LA on top right now. But the now is irrelevant, because our team isn't set. We still have the unresolved issues of Big Baby, Daniels, Hudson, and the Bowen rumors. None of these comparisons matter until the teams are finalized. The starting 5 or top 6 doesn't necessarily determine who's better, so there's no point in continuing to debate who wins the most starting matchups.

[Celtics17]

It's hard to say that Bynum is bettr or that Perk is better. Both players have strong positives as well as some negatives. Perk is a better defender then Bynum, hands down, and dont give me block statistics as a measure of their parity. Bynum is a better offensive player, hands down, but the C's dont need Perk to be that, at least not often. I think the better question is who helps his team the most and I am sorry Lakers fans ( well, not really sorry) but that award goes to Perk.

As for the more poignant quesiton of who is better, here goes my answer to that. This is all coningent on KG coming back healthy because if he doesnt then there is no discussion here at all. But, if he does come back healthy and both teams are healthy come playoff time then I still give the C's the edge. Gasol is, in my opinion a very, very good player and way underrated. The thing is though, I think Rondo will end up influencing more games this year then any other C's player, healthy KG or not. I just think he will be that good this year. Last years playoffs were not an abberation. I can see him dominating at least one playoff series next year and maybe more. I mean where Rondo is "the man" and not Pual, KG, or Ray. The rising star of Rondo puts us ahead of the Lakers this year, in my opinion. Sure Sheed will help, and it's quite possible we make a "blockbuster" trade of Ray right before the deadline but I still think Rondo is the "ticket".

[kaoss128]

Rondo is going to have to learn how to shoot to be effective or we will just put Kobe on him again and force him to shoot. He shot 37% against the Lakers. Perkins is a better post defender than Bynum but that is it. And the gap is closing between Gasol and KG. Gasol is a better offensive player, but KG fully healthy is a little bit better because of his defense.

[xmuscularghandix]

Bynum > Perkins
Gasol <= KG (Depends on how KG comes back from injury)
Artest < Pierce (Not by a lot)
Kobe >> Allen
Fisher < Rondo (He still can't shoot which means we can put Kobe on him)
LO > Rasheed (Sheed is old and slow just look at his stats)

Lakers top 6 > Celtics top 6

Bynum is better on offense but can be covered by Perk

KG is better than Gasol in EVERY way

Pierce is better than Artest by quite a bit put Artest can slow him down defensively

Kobe is better than Ray but Kobe is a joke on defense.

Rondo is better than Fisher (see:2007 finals)

Sheed and Odom are pretty evenly matched but Sheed is more consistent.

[xmuscularghandix]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Perk is a defensive stopper, Bynum is an overrated chump (that you traded Shaq to get)

[Celtics17]

Defense wins championships, Kobe will have his hands full with Rondo if they put him on him in the playoffs. With a healthy KG, the last player I am worried about on the Lakers team is Gasol although he is a very good player. The Lakers big men can be very good at times but they wont match Boston's.

[kaoss128]

Bynum > Perkins
Gasol <= KG (Depends on how KG comes back from injury)
Artest < Pierce (Not by a lot)
Kobe >> Allen
Fisher < Rondo (He still can't shoot which means we can put Kobe on him)
LO > Rasheed (Sheed is old and slow just look at his stats)

Lakers top 6 > Celtics top 6

Bynum is better on offense but can be covered by Perk

KG is better than Gasol in EVERY way

Pierce is better than Artest by quite a bit put Artest can slow him down defensively

Kobe is better than Ray but Kobe is a joke on defense.

Rondo is better than Fisher (see:2007 finals)

Sheed and Odom are pretty evenly matched but Sheed is more consistent.

Kobe is a joke on defense? Have you ever watched basketball before? 7 time All Defensive team and 2 time All Defensive 2nd team. And Pau Gasol is a better offensive player. Gasol scored more on a better percentage then Garnett. Sheed is as good as Odom? Check the stats dude. Sheed is old. He averaged 12 ppg on 42% shooting in the regular season. Do you want a big man who shoots 42%? Lets look at what he did in the playoffs. 7 ppg on 37% shooting. Ouch. A big man who shoots 37%.

[kaoss128]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Perk is a defensive stopper, Bynum is an overrated chump (that you traded Shaq to get)

Shaq wasn't traded to get Bynum. Bynum was drafted by the Lakers. How is 14 and 8 from a 21 year old overrated?

[TheLegendaryClub]

Perhaps the real answer is that each player is the best fit for his respective team. Perkins is a defensive low-post presence and a banger inside, not an offensive power. Bynum provides more offense but doesn't play as much defense as Perk. The celtics don't need offense from Perk, the Lakers do need offense from Bynum. The solution? Be happy with what you have.

Celtics fans and Lakers fans are not going to agree on those matchups, which are a moot point anyway since individual starting matchups don't signify the capability of a cohesive team. What's the point in this? To decide which fans are better at arguing and trolling?

[Rondo_is_better]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Perk is a defensive stopper, Bynum is an overrated chump (that you traded Shaq to get)

Shaq wasn't traded to get Bynum. Bynum was drafted by the Lakers. How is 14 and 8 from a 21 year old overrated?

Alright bud, just leave.

Pau a better offensive player than KG? That just makes me shake my head in amazement. Pau has a similar game to KG... he's just a worse passer, worse outside shooter, and worse rebounder. He's just not on KG's level, which is to say, a top 10 player.

And stats from Bynum don't mean jack. This over-hyping of Bynum's impact on the game of basketball has got to stop. He's mediocre. Perk is an absolutely ideal Center for the C's and fills his role better than Bynum, so in context of Celtics vs. Lakers Perkina >>>>>>>> Bynum.

Perk fills a size 10 shoe perfectly. Bynum is wearing 15's that are about 9 sizes to big for him. Take off the clown shoes, Andrew, and learn to accept that you're nothing,

[celticinorlando]

because perk isn't made of glass?

[Roy Hobbs]

To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Comments like this are unacceptable on Celticsblog, by anybody.

They're especially unacceptable coming from a Lakers fan.  If you're going to post here, you're going to have to treat people with respect.  You will not receive any further warnings.

[kaoss128]

Somebody is going to have to explain how Perkins is better than Bynum. I mean I know you guys are Celtics fans but that doesn't even make sense. Which would you prefer? Would you prefer a 14 ppg and 8 rpg 21 year old 7 footer or a 9 ppg and 8 rpg 6'10" 25 year old? To say Perkins is better or its even is stupid.

Perk is a defensive stopper, Bynum is an overrated chump (that you traded Shaq to get)

Shaq wasn't traded to get Bynum. Bynum was drafted by the Lakers. How is 14 and 8 from a 21 year old overrated?

Alright bud, just leave.

Pau a better offensive player than KG? That just makes me shake my head in amazement. Pau has a similar game to KG... he's just a worse passer, worse outside shooter, and worse rebounder. He's just not on KG's level, which is to say, a top 10 player.

And stats from Bynum don't mean jack. This over-hyping of Bynum's impact on the game of basketball has got to stop. He's mediocre. Perk is an absolutely ideal Center for the C's and fills his role better than Bynum, so in context of Celtics vs. Lakers Perkina >>>>>>>> Bynum.

Perk fills a size 10 shoe perfectly. Bynum is wearing 15's that are about 9 sizes to big for him. Take off the clown shoes, Andrew, and learn to accept that you're nothing,

Worse passer? Gasol is just as good of a passer. Worse outside shooter? Gasol is just as good of a shooter. Worse rebounder? Gasol is a better rebounder for his career. I won't say Gasol is better than KG. But he is the better offensive player. And any GM would rather have Bynum over Perkins.