Let's put our name in for Rubio

[guava_wrench]

I suggest this not because I am dissatisfied with Rajon , but because of three things:

1) there may now be friction between the organization and Rajon which will linger
2) I think Rubio is going to be an insanely good PG who would light it up with GPA straight away.
3) not having to pay Rondo 10+ mil next year (which I wholly believe he deserves) could enable us to go after one of the big name FAs in 2010

so with all this being said, how about a three way deal with BOS, MEM, and MIN

BOS gets: Rubio, Songaila

MIN gets: Hasheem Thabeet, Darrell Arthur (or S&T for Warrick)

MEM gets: Rondo, JR Giddens

BOS does it for previously stated reasons. MEM does it to get Rondo (and JR who Wallace reportedly liked last year as well).  MIN does it to get a defensive center to play with scoring bigs BIg Al and Love.

Great trade for Minny.

Horrible trade for Celtics considering the chances of Rubio playing in Europe and the unlikelihood of him being ready for a full season of basketball at the highest level this season.

[KG_ended_Bias]

Believe it or not, we don't have any pieces to attain Rubio, plus I would rather have Curry or Flynn who I know can play.

[Jon]

How about this word: DEFENSE!

How's Rubio going to look defending elite point guards late in the playoffs at the ripe age of 19?  

Not a good idea.

Plus, there's been plenty of examples of teams having friction and still winning.  The Bulls with Rodman is one example.  Manny Ramirez and the Sox for years is another.  

from what I've read Rubio is actually a pretty good defender. gambles a lot, but hey we're used to a PG gambling on defense, no?

True about Rondo.  I don't know about Rubio.  I don't think any of us (unless any of you have seen a ton of Euro League games, and even then, it's against different competition, so I don't know) really knows how good Rubio will be defensively.  Team defense is usually the last thing young players pick up on, so I'd be skeptical he could learn to effectively be a team defender for next year.  And that arguably the C's greatest strength.  

Too much risk, not enough reward for my liking.  Even if Rubio is the next Pistol Pete, who cares?  Pistol Pete never won a title and played on underachieving teams his whole career.  Furthermore, in my book Rondo is already a top 10 PG in the league and can be a top 5.  Can Rubio beat that next year?  Can he ever beat that?  

It just doesn't make much sense to risk what could be the C's finest year on a player whose upside is probably no greater than Rondo's.  

[winsomme]

How about this word: DEFENSE!

How's Rubio going to look defending elite point guards late in the playoffs at the ripe age of 19?  

Not a good idea.

Plus, there's been plenty of examples of teams having friction and still winning.  The Bulls with Rodman is one example.  Manny Ramirez and the Sox for years is another.  

from what I've read Rubio is actually a pretty good defender. gambles a lot, but hey we're used to a PG gambling on defense, no?

True about Rondo.  I don't know about Rubio.  I don't think any of us (unless any of you have seen a ton of Euro League games, and even then, it's against different competition, so I don't know) really knows how good Rubio will be defensively.  Team defense is usually the last thing young players pick up on, so I'd be skeptical he could learn to effectively be a team defender for next year.  And that arguably the C's greatest strength.  

Too much risk, not enough reward for my liking.  Even if Rubio is the next Pistol Pete, who cares?  Pistol Pete never won a title and played on underachieving teams his whole career.  Furthermore, in my book Rondo is already a top 10 PG in the league and can be a top 5.  Can Rubio beat that next year?  Can he ever beat that?  

It just doesn't make much sense to risk what could be the C's finest year on a player whose upside is probably no greater than Rondo's.  

yeah, big risk. I agree. but here's the thing, if we signed a veteran PG, the potential for disaster is limited. and GPA is good enough to be right there with CLE and ORL without Rajon.

but if Rubio turns out to be as good as some think, then we'd have an exciting PG locked up at reasonable money for at least the next four years and could maybe get in on the 2010 FA class.

the ceiling for Rondo and Rubio may be very similar, but the difference is you won't have to pay Rubio 10+ million next year and could get in on that FA class. with Rondo, we are pretty much out of that windfall and are going to have a hard time replacing Ray Allen...

[Jon]

How about this word: DEFENSE!

How's Rubio going to look defending elite point guards late in the playoffs at the ripe age of 19?  

Not a good idea.

Plus, there's been plenty of examples of teams having friction and still winning.  The Bulls with Rodman is one example.  Manny Ramirez and the Sox for years is another.  

from what I've read Rubio is actually a pretty good defender. gambles a lot, but hey we're used to a PG gambling on defense, no?

True about Rondo.  I don't know about Rubio.  I don't think any of us (unless any of you have seen a ton of Euro League games, and even then, it's against different competition, so I don't know) really knows how good Rubio will be defensively.  Team defense is usually the last thing young players pick up on, so I'd be skeptical he could learn to effectively be a team defender for next year.  And that arguably the C's greatest strength.  

Too much risk, not enough reward for my liking.  Even if Rubio is the next Pistol Pete, who cares?  Pistol Pete never won a title and played on underachieving teams his whole career.  Furthermore, in my book Rondo is already a top 10 PG in the league and can be a top 5.  Can Rubio beat that next year?  Can he ever beat that?  

It just doesn't make much sense to risk what could be the C's finest year on a player whose upside is probably no greater than Rondo's.  

yeah, big risk. I agree. but here's the thing, if we signed a veteran PG, the potential for disaster is limited. and GPA is good enough to be right there with CLE and ORL without Rajon.

but if Rubio turns out to be as good as some think, then we'd have an exciting PG locked up at reasonable money for at least the next four years and could maybe get in on the 2010 FA class.

the ceiling for Rondo and Rubio may be very similar, but the difference is you won't have to pay Rubio 10+ million next year and could get in on that FA class. with Rondo, we are pretty much out of that windfall and are going to have a hard time replacing Ray Allen...

I don't know if I completely buy your first statement.  Maybe the Rondo of 2007-2008 could be easily replaced by a vet PG, but I don't know if the Rondo we saw in the playoffs this year can be so easily replaced.  And I think that's very important.  While I'm skeptical how much the Cavs and Magic actually improved with their recent trades, if they did make strides, I think the way that we overcome that is because Rondo and Perk are much better players now than they were when we won the title in 2008. 

Even if I'm wrong about that, we're still banking on the notion that we're going to nab a vet PG like Kidd, which is far from certain. 

As for the future, first let me say that I really don't care what happens a couple years from now if we win another title or two.  If this group won 3 titles, they'd have done as much as the original Big Three and more than Cowens/Havlicek/White in less time.  That's worth whatever consequences happen in the future. 

As for the future, I think the simple solution is to extend Ray two years at reasonable money, and PP 1 year.  That means in the summer of 2011 we'll have 3 large expiring contracts (the Durant year) or we'll actually clear 3 large expiring contracts in the summer 2012 to add 2-3 high salaried players to Rondo and Perk.  If no one desirable is available in 2012, we surround Rondo and Perk with some scrubs, suck for a year, get a high pick, then add high profile guys in 2013. 

I don't see how we go wrong with that. 

[winsomme]

How about this word: DEFENSE!

How's Rubio going to look defending elite point guards late in the playoffs at the ripe age of 19?  

Not a good idea.

Plus, there's been plenty of examples of teams having friction and still winning.  The Bulls with Rodman is one example.  Manny Ramirez and the Sox for years is another.  

from what I've read Rubio is actually a pretty good defender. gambles a lot, but hey we're used to a PG gambling on defense, no?

True about Rondo.  I don't know about Rubio.  I don't think any of us (unless any of you have seen a ton of Euro League games, and even then, it's against different competition, so I don't know) really knows how good Rubio will be defensively.  Team defense is usually the last thing young players pick up on, so I'd be skeptical he could learn to effectively be a team defender for next year.  And that arguably the C's greatest strength.  

Too much risk, not enough reward for my liking.  Even if Rubio is the next Pistol Pete, who cares?  Pistol Pete never won a title and played on underachieving teams his whole career.  Furthermore, in my book Rondo is already a top 10 PG in the league and can be a top 5.  Can Rubio beat that next year?  Can he ever beat that?  

It just doesn't make much sense to risk what could be the C's finest year on a player whose upside is probably no greater than Rondo's.  

yeah, big risk. I agree. but here's the thing, if we signed a veteran PG, the potential for disaster is limited. and GPA is good enough to be right there with CLE and ORL without Rajon.

but if Rubio turns out to be as good as some think, then we'd have an exciting PG locked up at reasonable money for at least the next four years and could maybe get in on the 2010 FA class.

the ceiling for Rondo and Rubio may be very similar, but the difference is you won't have to pay Rubio 10+ million next year and could get in on that FA class. with Rondo, we are pretty much out of that windfall and are going to have a hard time replacing Ray Allen...

I don't know if I completely buy your first statement.  Maybe the Rondo of 2007-2008 could be easily replaced by a vet PG, but I don't know if the Rondo we saw in the playoffs this year can be so easily replaced.  And I think that's very important.  While I'm skeptical how much the Cavs and Magic actually improved with their recent trades, if they did make strides, I think the way that we overcome that is because Rondo and Perk are much better players now than they were when we won the title in 2008. 

Even if I'm wrong about that, we're still banking on the notion that we're going to nab a vet PG like Kidd, which is far from certain. 

As for the future, first let me say that I really don't care what happens a couple years from now if we win another title or two.  If this group won 3 titles, they'd have done as much as the original Big Three and more than Cowens/Havlicek/White in less time.  That's worth whatever consequences happen in the future. 

As for the future, I think the simple solution is to extend Ray two years at reasonable money, and PP 1 year.  That means in the summer of 2011 we'll have 3 large expiring contracts (the Durant year) or we'll actually clear 3 large expiring contracts in the summer 2012 to add 2-3 high salaried players to Rondo and Perk.  If no one desirable is available in 2012, we surround Rondo and Perk with some scrubs, suck for a year, get a high pick, then add high profile guys in 2013. 

I don't see how we go wrong with that. 

extending Ray is definitely a way around having a big hole in 2010 that we couldn't really fill, but a guy like Joe Johnson could be pretty cool too if we had the money...

anyway, hopefully if we keep Rondo (which is almost a certainty) he and Danny can come to a good extension agreement and aren't battling about that....

I still worry a little bit that Danny is looking at Tyreke Evans and would move Rondo to SAC for him and another piece.

and I would be WAY more happy seeing a Rubio deal than an Evans deal...

[winsomme]

anybody think the apparent dwindling big men FAs is more of a reason to roll the dice on a deal like this...

[wdleehi]

anybody think the apparent dwindling big men FAs is more of a reason to roll the dice on a deal like this...

Why?  Boston then has to scramble and find a starting PG and reserve big man.

[Fat Johhny]

Rubio is like 12 and never played one NBA game.  Why do want him again??

[winsomme]

anybody think the apparent dwindling big men FAs is more of a reason to roll the dice on a deal like this...

Why?  Boston then has to scramble and find a starting PG and reserve big man.

well, clearly I am higher on Rubio than many here, but with the dwindling big men, the value at the MLE might be one of the FA PGs....

[bucknersrevenge]

Eww...I think this is a galactically bad idea. I do not believe in Rubio at all and I actually believe Brandon Jennings when he says that he and Flynn roasted him in workouts. No thanks.

That said, good for David Kahn not bowing and cow-towing to Rubio's demands to play for a different team. Rubio can wait 1 year, 2 years if he wants to. Minny has nothin but time.

[timepiece33]

I'd rather keep Rondo, but let's say we play "trade".

To Boston: Mike Conley and Ricky Rubio
To Minnesota: Marc Gasol, Rudy Gay, and Gabe Pruitt
To Memphis: Rajon Rondo, Corey Brewer, Craig Smith, Sebastian Telfair and Brian Scalabrine

Boston gets two PG's to essentially replace Rondo and Pruitt.

Minnesota gets the center they covet, an athletic two, and a backup PG to Johnny Flynn.

Memphis gets the best player in the deal, a local kid with a lot of upside in Brewer, a good F, and two salary fillers in Telfair/Scalabrine. 

I'd consider this deal if I like Rubio.  Unfortunately, I'm not crazy about him so I wouldn't do it