Defusing the Celtics 9-2 finals edge over the Lakers

[GroverTheClover]

Hey, it's a well-researched post, and not trollish at all other than being a pro-Lakers argument in a Celtics forum.  This is how opposing fans should post here.  I was going to give you a TP for it, but I decided to give it to a guy in Minneapolis instead.

Hahaha! TP4U!

[RAcker]

Hey, it's a well-researched post, and not trollish at all other than being a pro-Lakers argument in a Celtics forum.  This is how opposing fans should post here.  I was going to give you a TP for it, but I decided to give it to a guy in Minneapolis instead.

Oh, wow.  One of the few posts I've ever seen that I wish I'd have thought of first.  TP for you and I bow to the greatness of that post.

[EatSleepBreatheGreen]

Lol. Wow, I would hate to have put time and energy into that "experiment" and still have my hypothesis proved wrong.

Here's my two cents...

Lakers really only have 10 championships. Thats first off. It's like saying Oklahoma has 1 championship, because they ARE the Sonics and the sonics won in 1979. Does that fly with you? Ofcourse not, so neither does the 5 titles that the Minneapolis Lakers won.

Celtics 17 rings....Lakers 10....almost double.


My next point is this..
Your theory is flawed because you give credit to placing first or second in the regular season. What does that have to do with winning a championship? It's like the 05-06 season where Dallas went 65-17, good for first in the NBA. You know how that ended up right? D'Wade coming back and taking the trophy. Remember Two is not a winner and three nobody remembers.

Another fact is that no matter what you typed, is that we are 9 and 2 against you. That means when we're matched up with you in the finals, we win 82% of the time.



by the way, I dont think we'll be seeing you in the Finals next year. Not with a stronger SanAntonio team that got more firepower and became younger at the same time, and Definitely not if Denver can improve, and Rockets get Amare to pair up with Yao. So good luck, rather yet, break a leg. Maybe break a couple of legs. lol

[RAcker]

Lol. Wow, I would hate to have put time and energy into that "experiment" and still have my hypothesis proved wrong.

Here's my two cents...

Lakers really only have 10 championships. Thats first off. It's like saying Oklahoma has 1 championship, because they ARE the Sonics and the sonics won in 1979. Does that fly with you? Ofcourse not, so neither does the 5 titles that the Minneapolis Lakers won.

Celtics 17 rings....Lakers 10....almost double.


My next point is this..
Your theory is flawed because you give credit to placing first or second in the regular season. What does that have to do with winning a championship? It's like the 05-06 season where Dallas went 65-17, good for first in the NBA. You know how that ended up right? D'Wade coming back and taking the trophy. Remember Two is not a winner and three nobody remembers.

Another fact is that no matter what you typed, is that we are 9 and 2 against you. That means when we're matched up with you in the finals, we win 82% of the time.



by the way, I dont think we'll be seeing you in the Finals next year. Not with a stronger SanAntonio team that got more firepower and became younger at the same time, and Definitely not if Denver can improve, and Rockets get Amare to pair up with Yao. So good luck, rather yet, break a leg. Maybe break a couple of legs. lol

Nicely done.

[dark_lord]

[DJ Bento Box]

What I find really interesting is the fact that we've already had the discussion of the Lakers 15 / 10 titles on CelticsBlog and it seems like the only people who hold so tightly to the belief that the Lakers only have 10 titles are non-fans desperate to keep a quickly dwindling gap between numbers wider.

Anyone with any sense knows that FRANCHISES win championships. Cities and fans do not. (Insert bubble bursting here) If Wyc decided to move the Celtics to Billings, Montana the team would take their championships with them. You get the memories, the team gets the hardware. That's just fact. No matter how far back your family roots go with a team, you're just a fan in a city the team resides in.

No self-respecting LOS ANGELES Laker fan assumes rights to any of those 5 championships from Minn. As a matter of fact, I've noted previously that those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner hanging in the rafters at Staples Center (next to our 10 championships) with the name Minneapolis quite visibly attached to it.

When we talk about our 15 titles, we're talking about the Laker franchise which just so happens to currently reside in Los Angeles. Reality tends to be unpleasant sometimes, I know, but it's still reality. 

[EatSleepBreatheGreen]

What I find really interesting is the fact that we've already had the discussion of the Lakers 15 / 10 titles on CelticsBlog and it seems like the only people who hold so tightly to the belief that the Lakers only have 10 titles are non-fans desperate to keep a quickly dwindling gap between numbers wider.

Anyone with any sense knows that FRANCHISES win championships. Cities and fans do not. (Insert bubble bursting here) If Wyc decided to move the Celtics to Billings, Montana the team would take their championships with them. You get the memories, the team gets the hardware. That's just fact. No matter how far back your family roots go with a team, you're just a fan in a city the team resides in.

No self-respecting LOS ANGELES Laker fan assumes rights to any of those 5 championships from Minn. As a matter of fact, I've noted previously that those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner hanging in the rafters at Staples Center (next to our 10 championships) with the name Minneapolis quite visibly attached to it.

When we talk about our 15 titles, we're talking about the Laker franchise which just so happens to currently reside in Los Angeles. Reality tends to be unpleasant sometimes, I know, but it's still reality. 

ummmm... everybody is entitled to their own opinion, no? Like I said, so your one of those people that considers the Oklahoma City Thunder to have a championship, right? If you believe that, then we cant take you seriously.

[Roy Hobbs]

If you believe that, then we cant take you seriously. Especially with 5 posts under your belt.

Please don't make comments like this; a poster's worth has nothing to do with the number of posts he's made.  (I'm pretty sure, for instance, that not everyone takes my opinion for the gospel).

Incidentally, Bento has probably hundreds of posts on the front page.

[ACF]

LOL, TP.

What I find really interesting is the fact that we've already had the discussion of the Lakers 15 / 10 titles on CelticsBlog and it seems like the only people who hold so tightly to the belief that the Lakers only have 10 titles are non-fans desperate to keep a quickly dwindling gap between numbers wider.

Anyone with any sense knows that FRANCHISES win championships. Cities and fans do not. (Insert bubble bursting here) If Wyc decided to move the Celtics to Billings, Montana the team would take their championships with them. You get the memories, the team gets the hardware. That's just fact. No matter how far back your family roots go with a team, you're just a fan in a city the team resides in.

No self-respecting LOS ANGELES Laker fan assumes rights to any of those 5 championships from Minn. As a matter of fact, I've noted previously that those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner hanging in the rafters at Staples Center (next to our 10 championships) with the name Minneapolis quite visibly attached to it.

When we talk about our 15 titles, we're talking about the Laker franchise which just so happens to currently reside in Los Angeles. Reality tends to be unpleasant sometimes, I know, but it's still reality. 

And I have to agree with you even
though it hurts my green heart.
Have a TP.

9 and 2, though, is still true...

[GroverTheClover]

What I find really interesting is the fact that we've already had the discussion of the Lakers 15 / 10 titles on CelticsBlog and it seems like the only people who hold so tightly to the belief that the Lakers only have 10 titles are non-fans desperate to keep a quickly dwindling gap between numbers wider.

Anyone with any sense knows that FRANCHISES win championships. Cities and fans do not. (Insert bubble bursting here) If Wyc decided to move the Celtics to Billings, Montana the team would take their championships with them. You get the memories, the team gets the hardware. That's just fact. No matter how far back your family roots go with a team, you're just a fan in a city the team resides in.

No self-respecting LOS ANGELES Laker fan assumes rights to any of those 5 championships from Minn. As a matter of fact, I've noted previously that those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner hanging in the rafters at Staples Center (next to our 10 championships) with the name Minneapolis quite visibly attached to it.

When we talk about our 15 titles, we're talking about the Laker franchise which just so happens to currently reside in Los Angeles. Reality tends to be unpleasant sometimes, I know, but it's still reality. 

ummmm... everybody is entitled to their own opinion, no? Like I said, so your one of those people that considers the Oklahoma City Thunder to have a championship, right? If you believe that, then we cant take you seriously. Especially with 5 posts under your belt.

The problem with your analogy is that the city of Seattle specifically made it a point to retain all the franchise's accolades in allowing Clay Bennett to move the team to OKC.

[JSD]

What I find really interesting is the fact that we've already had the discussion of the Lakers 15 / 10 titles on CelticsBlog and it seems like the only people who hold so tightly to the belief that the Lakers only have 10 titles are non-fans desperate to keep a quickly dwindling gap between numbers wider.

Anyone with any sense knows that FRANCHISES win championships. Cities and fans do not. (Insert bubble bursting here) If Wyc decided to move the Celtics to Billings, Montana the team would take their championships with them. You get the memories, the team gets the hardware. That's just fact. No matter how far back your family roots go with a team, you're just a fan in a city the team resides in.

No self-respecting LOS ANGELES Laker fan assumes rights to any of those 5 championships from Minn. As a matter of fact, I've noted previously that those 5 titles are consolidated on to one banner hanging in the rafters at Staples Center (next to our 10 championships) with the name Minneapolis quite visibly attached to it.

When we talk about our 15 titles, we're talking about the Laker franchise which just so happens to currently reside in Los Angeles. Reality tends to be unpleasant sometimes, I know, but it's still reality. 

Oh please... even the Buss family didn't acknowledge the titles until after the Shaq 3-peat. The Lakers conveniently threw the banners up there once someone in the marketing department said "hey... if we count the 5 titles won by a different ownership group in a different city we can contend for the record!"

Is the Buss family missing something here?




Spare me... The Los Angeles Lakers have 10 titles.

[EatSleepBreatheGreen]

If you believe that, then we cant take you seriously. Especially with 5 posts under your belt.

Please don't make comments like this; a poster's worth has nothing to do with the number of posts he's made.  (I'm pretty sure, for instance, that not everyone takes my opinion for the gospel).

Incidentally, Bento has probably hundreds of posts on the front page.

I do appologize. Im not too high on the post count either. Just frustrating that we still have Laker fans coming onto our board and trying to rub it in our face. (such as the person that started this thread)

[JSD]

If you believe that, then we cant take you seriously. Especially with 5 posts under your belt.

Please don't make comments like this; a poster's worth has nothing to do with the number of posts he's made.  (I'm pretty sure, for instance, that not everyone takes my opinion for the gospel).

Incidentally, Bento has probably hundreds of posts on the front page.

I do appologize. Im not too high on the post count either. Just frustrating that we still have Laker fans coming onto our board and trying to rub it in our face. (such as the person that started this thread)

Actually, I didn't have a problem with the OP. Just not sure what he expected "wow! that Laker fan makes a great point! 9-2 is definitely "defused" now" Give me a break...

[EatSleepBreatheGreen]

Anyone with any sense knows that FRANCHISES win championships. Cities and fans do not.

The problem with your analogy is that the city of Seattle specifically made it a point to retain all the franchise's accolades in allowing Clay Bennett to move the team to OKC.

Ok, so your saying Minneapolis should have asked to retain the banners? If so, can they ask for them back?

Dont focus on the problem with my analogy, focus on the analogy made in the first post of this thread. Do you agree, or disagree? I gave my OPINIONS.

[DJ Bento Box]

Even though I'm an unabashed Laker fan, I'm not above saying that the one franchise we lag behind is the Celtics. We're close, yes, but we lag behind where it counts and that's in titles and head-to-head matchups.

I put a lot of stock in the head-to-head because regardless of what a franchise does otherwise, the base measure of teams is what they do against one another. In that case, we come out far on the losing end. It's just fact. pair it with the 17 > 15 championship deficit and it becomes clear who sits at number one and who is 2nd.

I love my Lakers but I'm also not one to be blinded by a truth I don't want to see.