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Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2009, 06:07:46 PM »

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at that time walker was at his prime, one of my fav C's

i think walker and pierce was the one the top 5 one two punches of all time.

thats all
Top 5 really?

Bird/McHale
Garnett/Pierce
Jordan/Pippen
Kobe/Gasol
Duncan/Robinson
Shaq/Kobe
Magic/Kareem
Cousy/Russell
Hondo/Russell
Hondo/Cowens

Those are just the ones I could think off quickly, and they are all better 1/2 combos than Pierce/Walker.

I'd buy All-Time Celtics 1/2
I can't even buy that. Pierce/Garnett are better and then you can add in any number of player combinations with Russell/Bird/Hondo and you'd easily get five one two combos that were better and probably won titles.

Yeah, but they weren't 1/2 combos by themselves. they were 1/2/3/4/5 combos.
Pierce and Walker had 3 other guys on the court with them too. The combined talent of all the combinations I mentioned just taking the top two players and ignoring the team are still better than Walker/Pierce.

My point is that6 a 1/2 combination means that their are no other potent weapons in the starting 5. Those other teams had equally potent weapons in the starting 5.
I'm afraid you'd have to point me to where the term 1/2 combination excludes having a quality team around you.

Jordan/Pippen and Kobe/Shaq are the classic 1/2 punches since the 90s right? Both pairs had [dang] good teams around them.

The drop off in talent from MJ/ Scottie to Horace grant in huge. 1/2 punch should be All-Stars surrounded by Role players. In Russell's case, Sam Jones, Tommy Heihnson and bob Cousy are not Role Players. Neither were DJ, Cornbread and Parrish.
I just don't see why 1/2 punch would imply anything about the rest of the team.

Even narrowing that criteria I don't see Pierce/Walker cracking the top 5.

Jordan/Pippen Kobe/Shaq, Stockton/Malone, Barkley/Johnson, Duncan/Robinson

Those are just from my lifetime of watching basketball. If you went to the 80s and farther you could find more.

I agree, thats why I said I could see it being in the CELTICS top 5.

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2009, 06:12:37 PM »

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c. none of the above

at that time walker was at his prime, one of my fav C's

i think walker and pierce was the one the top 5 one two punches of all time.

thats all
Top 5 really?

Bird/McHale
Garnett/Pierce
Jordan/Pippen
Kobe/Gasol
Duncan/Robinson
Shaq/Kobe
Magic/Kareem
Cousy/Russell
Hondo/Russell
Hondo/Cowens

Those are just the ones I could think off quickly, and they are all better 1/2 combos than Pierce/Walker.

I'd buy All-Time Celtics 1/2
I can't even buy that. Pierce/Garnett are better and then you can add in any number of player combinations with Russell/Bird/Hondo and you'd easily get five one two combos that were better and probably won titles.

Yeah, but they weren't 1/2 combos by themselves. they were 1/2/3/4/5 combos.
Pierce and Walker had 3 other guys on the court with them too. The combined talent of all the combinations I mentioned just taking the top two players and ignoring the team are still better than Walker/Pierce.

My point is that6 a 1/2 combination means that their are no other potent weapons in the starting 5. Those other teams had equally potent weapons in the starting 5.
I'm afraid you'd have to point me to where the term 1/2 combination excludes having a quality team around you.

Jordan/Pippen and Kobe/Shaq are the classic 1/2 punches since the 90s right? Both pairs had [dang] good teams around them.

The drop off in talent from MJ/ Scottie to Horace grant in huge. 1/2 punch should be All-Stars surrounded by Role players. In Russell's case, Sam Jones, Tommy Heihnson and bob Cousy are not Role Players. Neither were DJ, Cornbread and Parrish.
I just don't see why 1/2 punch would imply anything about the rest of the team.

Even narrowing that criteria I don't see Pierce/Walker cracking the top 5.

Jordan/Pippen Kobe/Shaq, Stockton/Malone, Barkley/Johnson, Duncan/Robinson

Those are just from my lifetime of watching basketball. If you went to the 80s and farther you could find more.

I agree, thats why I said I could see it being in the CELTICS top 5.
But your narrow definition precludes even 5 qualifiers. Unless you're putting up the garbage 90s teams the C's have had too many quality teams to have enough 1/2 punches. That is why I find your definitions of 1/2 and "drop-off to role player" silly.

No team with Russell would qualify according to you, no team with Bird, and probably not in the 70s if you were pushed on it. So you're left with Pierce/Walker and the Dino/*insert scrub* or maybe Dee Brown/*scrub*

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2009, 06:13:01 PM »

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Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2009, 06:13:45 PM »

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c. none of the above

at that time walker was at his prime, one of my fav C's

i think walker and pierce was the one the top 5 one two punches of all time.

thats all
Top 5 really?

Bird/McHale
Garnett/Pierce
Jordan/Pippen
Kobe/Gasol
Duncan/Robinson
Shaq/Kobe
Magic/Kareem
Cousy/Russell
Hondo/Russell
Hondo/Cowens

Those are just the ones I could think off quickly, and they are all better 1/2 combos than Pierce/Walker.

I'd buy All-Time Celtics 1/2
I can't even buy that. Pierce/Garnett are better and then you can add in any number of player combinations with Russell/Bird/Hondo and you'd easily get five one two combos that were better and probably won titles.

Yeah, but they weren't 1/2 combos by themselves. they were 1/2/3/4/5 combos.
Pierce and Walker had 3 other guys on the court with them too. The combined talent of all the combinations I mentioned just taking the top two players and ignoring the team are still better than Walker/Pierce.

My point is that6 a 1/2 combination means that their are no other potent weapons in the starting 5. Those other teams had equally potent weapons in the starting 5.
I'm afraid you'd have to point me to where the term 1/2 combination excludes having a quality team around you.

Jordan/Pippen and Kobe/Shaq are the classic 1/2 punches since the 90s right? Both pairs had [dang] good teams around them.

The drop off in talent from MJ/ Scottie to Horace grant in huge. 1/2 punch should be All-Stars surrounded by Role players. In Russell's case, Sam Jones, Tommy Heihnson and bob Cousy are not Role Players. Neither were DJ, Cornbread and Parrish.
I just don't see why 1/2 punch would imply anything about the rest of the team.

Even narrowing that criteria I don't see Pierce/Walker cracking the top 5.

Jordan/Pippen Kobe/Shaq, Stockton/Malone, Barkley/Johnson, Duncan/Robinson

Those are just from my lifetime of watching basketball. If you went to the 80s and farther you could find more.

I agree, thats why I said I could see it being in the CELTICS top 5.
But your narrow definition precludes even 5 qualifiers. Unless you're putting up the garbage 90s teams the C's have had too many quality teams to have enough 1/2 punches. That is why I find your definitions of 1/2 and "drop-off to role player" silly.

No team with Russell would qualify according to you, no team with Bird, and probably not in the 70s if you were pushed on it. So you're left with Pierce/Walker and the Dino/*insert scrub* or maybe Dee Brown/*scrub*

So? That says great things about the Celtics, that they've never relied solely on a 1/2 punch.

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2009, 06:14:17 PM »

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we all have our top 5

i liked walker/pierce combo the most cause i am a celtics fan first

the moses malone/dr j combo


bass favorites...mine

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2009, 06:17:21 PM »

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paul and walker were the stars..the face of the c's
tony delk battie mccarty did much for us..but when it got tuff walker and pierce stepped up

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2009, 06:19:22 PM »

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yeah..

radja/fox combo...sure!


Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2009, 06:30:58 PM »

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we all have our top 5

i liked walker/pierce combo the most cause i am a celtics fan first

the moses malone/dr j combo


bass favorites...mine
Favorite implies how much you like them. Saying top 5 without a qualifier would imply that you think Pierce/Walker were better players than any student of the game would be willing to go. Especially given that they topped out with ECF and EC semi-final playoff runs when the eastern conference was extremely weak.

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2009, 06:34:17 PM »

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Dale Davis gets my vote for the worst.
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Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2009, 06:34:46 PM »

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naw

at that time new jeresy was tight very tuff for us

even the greatest one two punch ever, walker/pirece couldnt handle new jersey...and rodney rogers, a former c, lite us up too

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2009, 06:39:09 PM »

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naw

at that time new jeresy was tight very tuff for us

even the greatest one two punch ever, walker/pirece couldnt handle new jersey...and rodney rogers, a former c, lite us up too
NJ beat us with Rogers, and without him.

Jason Kidd/Kenyon Martin by my druthers was a better 1/2 punch than Walker/Pierce. They beat them two years in a row, and the Nets team was the two of them and some role players.

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2009, 06:47:00 PM »

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role plays

battie our center had knee problems and our 3pt shooter off the bench walter was working on his singing carrer...no focus

walker a pierce where alone

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2009, 06:52:12 PM »

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role plays

battie our center had knee problems and our 3pt shooter off the bench walter was working on his singing carrer...no focus

walker a pierce where alone
Sadly I remember Jason Kidd guarding Pierce after game 3 and slowing him down. That happening while Kenyon Martin embarassed Walker repeatedly by either out running him in transition or posting him up was what beat us. Not Battie's knee or Walter's cold shooting.

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2009, 08:10:16 PM »

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Jordan/Pippen
Robertson/Abdul Jabbar
Stockton/Malone
Frazier/Reed
Duncan/Robinson

All 1/2 combos better than Walker/Pierce.

Re: Worst All Star Ever
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2009, 08:54:00 PM »

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