Grousbeck: We can offer a 'max contract' next year

[indeedproceed]

According to Celtics co-owner Wyc Grousbeck, they will have the financial flexibility to offer someone a full max contract next summer. Speaking with “Dale & Holley” Monday, Grousbeck did not give specifics, but he reiterated this fact by saying “there is a situation under which we could do that.” Several high-profile players who would command a max contract are currently set to become free agents in 2010, including LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Amare Stoudemire, Dirk Nowitzki, and Chris Bosh. For more Celtics' updates, check out our basketball blog, "Green Street."

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I'm probably misreading the quote, but Wyc could be referring to Rondo when he says "offer someone a full max contract next summer." That would be one situation feasible under the CBA wouldn't it? It seems like WEEI, or who ever reported this, just assumed he was talking about the free agents.

I personally would rather offer a max contract to the likes of Nowitzki, Bosh or Wade before offering a max to Rondo, whom I feel is worth about 8-10 mil.

I don't think we're in the running for Dirk, Wade, or Bosh. Dirk loves Dallas, its the only place he's ever known over here, Bosh would be redundant with KG still under contract, and Wade will not leave Miami for Boston, if he ever left Miami. Aim lower, or look at trades.

Well, the other major FA's available next year are Nash, Josh Howard, Amare (whom I believe we are making a play for right now) Michael Redd (who will more than likely take his 18.3 mil and stay in Milwaukee to be paid, already once having the opportunity to leave and go play with Lebron and deciding to take his max contract instead), Boozer, who is a walking injury, Etc.

Who do you think we are 'targeting' if not those original three mentioned? Yao Ming? Lebron? I guess if we do complete the trade for Amare, we will certainly re-up him for awhile.

I don't think he really has anyone in mind. I think he's almost completely posturing. We don't need to sign Dwayne Wade, we need to sign a guy like Jason Terry. We need study reliable professional bench players. Even in 2010/2011.

We don't need Chris Bosh, we need Joel Pryzbilla. We don't need Lebron James (but we'd sure like him), we need Shane Battier.

We're going to be only 15 million under the cap, assuming we trade Rondo and don't resign Ray. And we're going to be 15 million under the cap with only 5 guys on the roster. That's crazy.

[rondohondo]

So we'd have 5 of the 13 guys we'd need under contract, and 15 million to sign them all in?

If you sign a Great Max player like Stoudamire here we would still have the MLE and Vet Min contracts to fill our roster out. Kind of like what we did last year when we lost most of our roster in the KG trade.

See I don't think that's true about the MLE. Sure, you still have Vet Mins, but you do not get the MLE if you go from under the cap to over it. The whole purpose of the MLE is to give teams over the cap a little bit of money to play around with.

Well with a team with that much talent guys chasing a title will want to come to the Celtics just like PJ Brown did last year on Vet Min deals. Plus we would have Thompson or Hawes ( a young player with a lot of potential) that we could trade for better role players.

[indeedproceed]

So we'd have 5 of the 13 guys we'd need under contract, and 15 million to sign them all in?

If you sign a Great Max player like Stoudamire here we would still have the MLE and Vet Min contracts to fill our roster out. Kind of like what we did last year when we lost most of our roster in the KG trade.

See I don't think that's true about the MLE. Sure, you still have Vet Mins, but you do not get the MLE if you go from under the cap to over it. The whole purpose of the MLE is to give teams over the cap a little bit of money to play around with.

Well with a team with that much talent guys chasing a title will want to come to the Celtics just like PJ Brown did last year on Vet Min deals. Plus we would have Thompson or Hawes ( a young player with a lot of potential) that we could trade for better role players.

So our faith is going to lie in Jason Thompson as a bargaining chip and the desire for a ring of over the hill superstars?

This is exactly the type of thinking that had our bench paper thin this season.

We need to stop 'relying on the kindness of strangers' (yeah, I busted a streetcar named desire quote on you.), and start being proactive about getting affordable youth talent, and veteran talent BEFORE the season starts.

People always talk about James Posey AND PJ Brown, but the biggest difference between these two guys is that James Posey played all year, and was an ingrained part of our system. PJ Brown hopped on at the halfway point. What happened with PJ, that is signing a guy at the deadline that we were able to lean on a little bit, that's the EXCEPTION to the rule, that's not THE rule. Marbury and Moore showqed us that.

[rondohondo]

So we'd have 5 of the 13 guys we'd need under contract, and 15 million to sign them all in?

If you sign a Great Max player like Stoudamire here we would still have the MLE and Vet Min contracts to fill our roster out. Kind of like what we did last year when we lost most of our roster in the KG trade.

See I don't think that's true about the MLE. Sure, you still have Vet Mins, but you do not get the MLE if you go from under the cap to over it. The whole purpose of the MLE is to give teams over the cap a little bit of money to play around with.

Well with a team with that much talent guys chasing a title will want to come to the Celtics just like PJ Brown did last year on Vet Min deals. Plus we would have Thompson or Hawes ( a young player with a lot of potential) that we could trade for better role players.

So our faith is going to lie in Jason Thompson as a bargaining chip and the desire for a ring of over the hill superstars?

This is exactly the type of thinking that had our bench paper thin this season.

We need to stop 'relying on the kindness of strangers' (yeah, I busted a streetcar named desire quote on you.), and start being proactive about getting affordable youth talent, and veteran talent BEFORE the season starts.

People always talk about James Posey AND PJ Brown, but the biggest difference between these two guys is that James Posey played all year, and was an ingrained part of our system. PJ Brown hopped on at the halfway point. What happened with PJ, that is signing a guy at the deadline that we were able to lean on a little bit, that's the EXCEPTION to the rule, that's not THE rule. Marbury and Moore showqed us that.

well to me I have to do this because this is basically what we are trading

Bos sends Rondo

Bos gets:
          1) #4 Pick
          2) Thompson ( young big man with lots of potential)
          3) The shot at a Max player

I know you can say there is no guarantee that we sign someone, but I have to believe a Max free agent would want to come to a team with all this talent where they could be the missing piece to the puzzle and win a championship

Thats just too much talent that I am getting back not to trade Rondo for

[Jon]

So we'd have 5 of the 13 guys we'd need under contract, and 15 million to sign them all in?

If you sign a Great Max player like Stoudamire here we would still have the MLE and Vet Min contracts to fill our roster out. Kind of like what we did last year when we lost most of our roster in the KG trade.

See I don't think that's true about the MLE. Sure, you still have Vet Mins, but you do not get the MLE if you go from under the cap to over it. The whole purpose of the MLE is to give teams over the cap a little bit of money to play around with.

Well with a team with that much talent guys chasing a title will want to come to the Celtics just like PJ Brown did last year on Vet Min deals. Plus we would have Thompson or Hawes ( a young player with a lot of potential) that we could trade for better role players.

So our faith is going to lie in Jason Thompson as a bargaining chip and the desire for a ring of over the hill superstars?

This is exactly the type of thinking that had our bench paper thin this season.

We need to stop 'relying on the kindness of strangers' (yeah, I busted a streetcar named desire quote on you.), and start being proactive about getting affordable youth talent, and veteran talent BEFORE the season starts.

People always talk about James Posey AND PJ Brown, but the biggest difference between these two guys is that James Posey played all year, and was an ingrained part of our system. PJ Brown hopped on at the halfway point. What happened with PJ, that is signing a guy at the deadline that we were able to lean on a little bit, that's the EXCEPTION to the rule, that's not THE rule. Marbury and Moore showqed us that.

well to me I have to do this because this is basically what we are trading

Bos sends Rondo

Bos gets:
          1) #4 Pick
          2) Thompson ( young big man with lots of potential)
          3) The shot at a Max player

I know you can say there is no guarantee that we sign someone, but I have to believe a Max free agent would want to come to a team with all this talent where they could be the missing piece to the puzzle and win a championship

Thats just too much talent that I am getting back not to trade Rondo for

Except for two things:

1) Under the current CBA, a player can make a lot more money signing with the team that holds his rights.  Assuming things stay the same under a new contract, the C's will be at an inherent disadvantage to sign any player. 

2) I don't think it's a given that a young player wants to come and play with an aging KG and Pierce.  First, not every player wants to share the ball.  Second, if they don't win a title in the first year or two, the player could be signed on to losing ship for years after Pierce and KG fade.

So I wouldn't be so sure about players jumping at the opportunity to come here. 

[JSD]

Strange that this is a separate thread... Everything here has already been discussed.

[Roy Hobbs]

You need to account for the #4 pick's salary in your overall computation. So you'd have 5 guys signed in 2010-11.

Other than that, TP for the effort. 

You're right I fixed it, we would have about 15-18 MIL in Cap space

Don't forget cap holds for the number of players we have below the league minimum roster size of 12.  If we have five players, that means there are seven cap holds at the league rookie minimum (roughly $450k each).