Marbury Celtics Starting PG

[crownsy]

But he is not a franchise player, you can't have a franchise player who can't shoot.

It's difficult, but not impossible.  Gary Payton wasn't much of a shooter, either. 

I fully expect Rondo to improve his shot, though.

jason kidd also can't  shoot, he has his set three spot and thats about it.

[crownsy]

Rondo will never be as good as Marbury.

But there are too many good scorers on the team, and Rondo sucks at scoring. Which makes him a perfect fit. He just needs to hit the occasional jumper. Rondo needs to be the starting pg.

Rondo might never be as good as 24-28 year old era steph, but that marbury is dead and gone, and he's not coming back.

Marbury is in as good if not better shape than he was in when he was 28-29 years old. He hasn't lost much of anything. He just didn't play for a long time.

I will accept your point if you do me one thing. Find me one other player to compare his situation to. Find a player who;

- Got stuck with a horrible team with 0 chemistry that had awful people working the front office.

- Had their father who was a big deal in NYC to a lot of kids and adults who grew up, die while at one of their games.

- Then ended the season so they could have surgery on their ankle.

- Come back to a team that asked if you could come off the bench because they wanted to go in another direction. Agree to said role.

- Then found out they had no intention to play you at all, because the Joke of a coach disliked you when he coached you on a previous team.

- Was thrown under the bus by the entire organization because they felt he hurt their sexual harassment defense for the team President.

- Broke down and got psychological help because of anxiety/depression.

- Came back to join a team with 20ish game left in the season.


Deal? Find me a comparable situation so I can see how you obtained this knowledge that he has lost it.

Why can't i just go with what actually happened? He had his chance and he failed.

  I hope all excuses above are  true, and he either shows it next year for us for the minimum, or he does it on whatever team takes a flier on him.

[Change]

I'm indifferent towards Rondo, but I firmly believe he's not the next franchise player. He's not close to Pierce or any other Celtic great and never will be imo. As for Marbury being the starting PG....idk...i'd love to see him play a game or two with KG if Stephon comes back. I wanted to watch those two play pretty bad, but KG had the injury.  

I think I'm going to cry. At least you being logical. Marbury is a true point guard. If he is surrounded with KG, Pierce, And Ray... Marbury can make this team better. Plus you get a good player in Rudy Gay. Its a win..win situation for the Celtics. Get this out of your head (Rondo is not a franchise player).

[Scalablob990]

Lets compare him to rondo:

Passing Skills: Tie
Rebounding: Rondo
Steal: Rondo
FT: Marbury
Scoring: Marbury
Allstar: Marbury

You forgot championships.

Roy, Rondo was as useful as a volleyball in a basketball game during last years playoffs. The only game that stuck out was game 6 of the finals, but just because he showed up that one game didn't take the bad taste out of my mouth from the previous games....    and even Scalabrine and Pollard have a ring...... :vomits:

[crownsy]

Lets compare him to rondo:

Passing Skills: Tie
Rebounding: Rondo
Steal: Rondo
FT: Marbury
Scoring: Marbury
Allstar: Marbury

You forgot championships.

Roy, Rondo was as useful as a volleyball in a basketball game during last years playoffs. The only game that stuck out was game 6 of the finals, but just because he showed up that one game didn't take the bad taste out of my mouth from the previous games.... 

you forgot games 1 and 2, where he was very good, or chose to ignore them.

6 was easily his best performance but 1 and 2 were also solid. he also had good performances at home vs. detroit and Clev.

And, if he doesn't hit back to back clutch three pointers in game 2 of the clev series when we were down 16, we would have been watching CAVS vs PISTONS.

you are right that he was bad on the road all of the 2008 playoffs, but thats the life of a young player.

[pengaloo]

Yes, we should definitely start Marbury. Unlike Rondo, Marbury doesn't have a history of character/attitude issues.

[Scalablob990]

Lets compare him to rondo:

Passing Skills: Tie
Rebounding: Rondo
Steal: Rondo
FT: Marbury
Scoring: Marbury
Allstar: Marbury

You forgot championships.

Roy, Rondo was as useful as a volleyball in a basketball game during last years playoffs. The only game that stuck out was game 6 of the finals, but just because he showed up that one game didn't take the bad taste out of my mouth from the previous games.... 

you forgot games 1 and 2, where he was very good, or chose to ignore them.

6 was easily his best performance but 1 and 2 were also solid. he also had good performances at home vs. detroit and Clev.

And, if he doesn't hit back to back clutch three pointers in game 2 of the clev series when we were down 16, we would have been watching CAVS vs PISTONS.

you are right that he was bad on the road all of the 2008 playoffs, but thats the life of a young player.

Either I forgot, or it didn't amaze me, but I honestly don't recall him doing anything special in the finals but game 6...if he did then I was obviously to enthralled by watching Pierce putting the team on his back to bring us to banner 17.

Rondo has had his days where he is on fire, but more so then not he takes games off. Sometimes I want to pick up my TV and toss it when Rondo is still in the game after going 2-18 from the field, all of his shots are lay ups, I don't want to even know what his FG% is on jump shots alone. Besides that, his defense is all risk since he plays from behind. We basically have 2 no offense starters in Rondo and Perk, which makes it easy for teams to concentrate on the Big 3 alone.

Van Gundy and so many other coaches have played the "Make Rondo shoot" card  and guess what, it works almost 90% of the time. I'm not saying trade him, or get rid of him, but I am advocating that he needs to erase A LOT of flaws from his game.....and I wouldn't put him as the poster board Celtics franchise player anytime soon..or ever...

[silverb]

if we can trade Rondo for an all-star or atleast a very good player...then I would welcome marbury to start.

[RAcker]

Lets compare him to rondo:

Passing Skills: Tie
Rebounding: Rondo
Steal: Rondo
FT: Marbury
Scoring: Marbury
Allstar: Marbury

You forgot championships.

Roy, Rondo was as useful as a volleyball in a basketball game during last years playoffs. The only game that stuck out was game 6 of the finals, but just because he showed up that one game didn't take the bad taste out of my mouth from the previous games.... 

you forgot games 1 and 2, where he was very good, or chose to ignore them.

6 was easily his best performance but 1 and 2 were also solid. he also had good performances at home vs. detroit and Clev.

And, if he doesn't hit back to back clutch three pointers in game 2 of the clev series when we were down 16, we would have been watching CAVS vs PISTONS.

you are right that he was bad on the road all of the 2008 playoffs, but thats the life of a young player.

Either I forgot, or it didn't amaze me, but I honestly don't recall him doing anything special in the finals but game 6...if he did then I was obviously to enthralled by watching Pierce putting the team on his back to bring us to banner 17.

Rondo has had his days where he is on fire, but more so then not he takes games off. Sometimes I want to pick up my TV and toss it when Rondo is still in the game after going 2-18 from the field, all of his shots are lay ups, I don't want to even know what his FG% is on jump shots alone. Besides that, his defense is all risk since he plays from behind. We basically have 2 no offense starters in Rondo and Perk, which makes it easy for teams to concentrate on the Big 3 alone.

Van Gundy and so many other coaches have played the "Make Rondo shoot" card  and guess what, it works almost 90% of the time. I'm not saying trade him, or get rid of him, but I am advocating that he needs to erase A LOT of flaws from his game.....and I wouldn't put him as the poster board Celtics franchise player anytime soon..or ever...

He did have like 17 assists in Game 2.

[crownsy]

Van Gundy and so many other coaches have played the "Make Rondo shoot" card  and guess what, it works almost 90% of the time. I'm not saying trade him, or get rid of him, but I am advocating that he needs to erase A LOT of flaws from his game.....and I wouldn't put him as the poster board Celtics franchise player anytime soon..or ever...

I wouldn't have put pierce on that list at 23 either, albit for much  different reasons (defensive non-effort, maturity issues, ball hog)

Guys tend not to be the best they can be 3 years into their career. 

and again, im not saying i would never trade him, but straight up for rudy? not on your life.

Rudy and their second pick? sure, if i don't believe we can win it next year even more so, since it sets us up with gay and rubio (or if nick is correct, thibeet) for the next 10 years as our base to rebuild,a nd leaves us ray's contract to trade for more parts.

[Thruthelookingglass]

If this were to happen, I would seriously cry.   

Not as much as Doc would. Remember when he had to start Telfair *shudder*.

Your empathy moves me Fafnir.  Well put!

[BballTim]

Van Gundy and so many other coaches have played the "Make Rondo shoot" card  and guess what, it works almost 90% of the time.

  So how does he lead a top 6 offense for a team that won 60+ games 2 years in a row and a title?

[Change]

Van Gundy and so many other coaches have played the "Make Rondo shoot" card  and guess what, it works almost 90% of the time.

  So how does he lead a top 6 offense for a team that won 60+ games 2 years in a row and a title?

I got three reason: KG, Ray, and Pierce. When you have 3 HOF'ers you better titles.

[crownsy]

Van Gundy and so many other coaches have played the "Make Rondo shoot" card  and guess what, it works almost 90% of the time.

  So how does he lead a top 6 offense for a team that won 60+ games 2 years in a row and a title?

I got three reason: KG, Ray, and Pierce. When you have 3 HOF'ers you better titles.

such a tired (and wrong, as numerous threads have proven) argument...talk about beating a dead horse.

[BballTim]

Van Gundy and so many other coaches have played the "Make Rondo shoot" card  and guess what, it works almost 90% of the time.

  So how does he lead a top 6 offense for a team that won 60+ games 2 years in a row and a title?

I got three reason: KG, Ray, and Pierce. When you have 3 HOF'ers you better titles.

  So those three HOF'ers aren't in the game for the 90% of the time when teams stymie our offense with the "make Rondo shoot" strategy?