C's interested in acquiring the second pick?

[CoachBo]

Two starters for a marginal starter in Gay and a draft pick?

Uh, no.

[Tr1boy]

marginal or not ainge won't do the trade unless he is included imo

[Rondo2287]

I really don't think that this deal would improve us as a team even if we get both Rubio and Gay.  I think the brilliance of the way that these guys contracts are set up is the way they expire.  Ray expires and we resign Rondo for big money and then probably sign Ray to a smaller deal. 

Then Pierce and Garnett expire the following two years, and the Ray extension probably in one of those two years as well. I think these years will be crucial for us where we will be a winning team and a desirable landing spot for free agents and will also have the deals coming off the books to pay players. 

I think dealing Ray to pick up a high first round pick that will certainly require a good amount of money as well as picking up a guy like gay to play a position we are already dedicating a great deal of money too(Pierce) is just not a good idea.  Who is your starting shooting guard in this situation? 

[fairweatherfan06]

I think we're not being creative enough.

Let me first preface this by saying I don't think have the C's or combination of players to acquire the second pick, but stranger things have happened....

1) If I were DA I wouldn't draft Ricky Rubio with the second pick, we have a young and up and coming PG we need a backup PG who could shoot, Ricky is not coming to the NBA to be a career backup.  Why not draft Stepen Curry instead.  He is a combo guard so he could start as Rondo's backup, but ultimately Ray could mentor him to be his replacement.  As Curry's rolls into his prime and Ray leaves his.  He can be the starting SG of the future and Ray can anchor our bench until he retires playing out his last contract retiring a Celtic.... (this all assumes we can get pick 2 without giving up a starter) leaving Curry/Rondo as our backcourt of the future.

OR

2) And I can't believe no one's said this, though I haven't read every single post..... MAYBE we are drafting Ricky Rubio for someone else (because we have something Memphis wants that we are not privy to yet) and we will trade his rights for.... a big man, a backup for Pierce, or a backup PG we want or a couple of those things from the team who has one of those things and wants Rubio but can't get him.

[KungPoweChicken]

What if, and this is a big if, Danny exchanges Rondo for the 2nd pick, and then he turns that 2nd pick along with Ray Allen for Baron Davis and Blake Griffen. In my opinion, this makes our team worse because of the gaping hole we have at the two guard.  But, more importantly, we get no better in the salary department, probably a little worse. I wouldn't do this deal. It's just an idea to throw out there.

[slamtheking]

You know who does need salary relief, the Clippers.

How about something like this?

Celtics Receive
#1 (Blake Griffin)
Chris Kaman
Baron Davis

Clippers Receive
#2 (Ricky Rubio)
Ray Allen
Kendrick Perkins

Grizzlies Receive
Rondo


May not be enough for the Grizzlies, but I could see that as a reasonable trade for LAC and Boston.  Boston gets a veteran starting PG, a young tough center to replace Perkins, and the PF that could be the base of the next dynasty.  L.A. dumps a ton of money, drops back just one spot, picks up a nice young tough and cheap center, and adds a solid veteran to help Gordon, Rubio, etc. come along.  If the Grizzlies were going to take Rubio, Rondo makes sense.  If Memphis is leaning towards Thabeet than perhaps you send Perkins or Camby to them in addition to Rondo (and maybe Conley out).

That's plenty for the Grizzlies and not so much for the C's.

Grizzlies get a proven PG that's already a borderline allstar that's also won a title while giving up just a draft pick that MAY turn into a player of that level.

The C's give up 3/5 of their starting lineup, including their only 2 youthful starters for a downgrade at PG defensively (which is their key to winning), a defensive downgrade at Center and a rookie that, although the top talent in the draft, will still be on the bench behind KG.  Baron and Kaman would be stronger offensive players but the team defense would take a real hit.  On top of that, C's no longer have a starting-caliber SG on the roster and have to work like hell to get one through FA.   Also have to get the much needed back up C and PG.

[BCelts]

I think we're not being creative enough.

Let me first preface this by saying I don't think have the C's or combination of players to acquire the second pick, but stranger things have happened....

1) If I were DA I wouldn't draft Ricky Rubio with the second pick, we have a young and up and coming PG we need a backup PG who could shoot, Ricky is not coming to the NBA to be a career backup.  Why not draft Stepen Curry instead.  He is a combo guard so he could start as Rondo's backup, but ultimately Ray could mentor him to be his replacement.  As Curry's rolls into his prime and Ray leaves his.  He can be the starting SG of the future and Ray can anchor our bench until he retires playing out his last contract retiring a Celtic.... (this all assumes we can get pick 2 without giving up a starter) leaving Curry/Rondo as our backcourt of the future.

OR

2) And I can't believe no one's said this, though I haven't read every single post..... MAYBE we are drafting Ricky Rubio for someone else (because we have something Memphis wants that we are not privy to yet) and we will trade his rights for.... a big man, a backup for Pierce, or a backup PG we want or a couple of those things from the team who has one of those things and wants Rubio but can't get him.

Getting the Rubio pick for someone else makes sense.  How about New Orleans?  There have been rumors about New Orleans being unsure they can sign Chris Paul and needing to cut contracts.  Assuming Memphis will take Rondo for Rubio and Gey, which is not assured, and assuming New Orleans will move CP3 for the right package of young players and cap relief, is this trade possible?

Boston gets: CP3, Chandler, Posey
NO gets: TA, RA, Scal, Gay, Pruitt, the Rubio pick, a Celtics pick
Memphis gets: J. Wright, Rondo

New Orleans:  After cap consequences, NO ditches the Chandler and Posey contracts (close to $17 per year for 3 years) and gets Rubio, a C's pick, and Gay (but has to give up CP3 to do it).

Memphis gets Rondo, but gives up Gay and Rubio to do it.

Boston loses RA and Rondo, but gets CP3, Chandler, and Posey.

In the end, Boston is probably the only team that does this from a basketball perspective.  But if Memphis really would trade Gay and the #2 for Rondo, it becomes at least possible. I still don't think that NO does this because CP3 is that good, but the incredible savings, Rubio, Gay, and another pick is at least a face-savings offer.  Again, I'd never trade CP3, but New Orleans is willing to consider it.  What would it take?

I'd expect that Portland could offer a better package for CP3 anway.

[Diggles]

You know who does need salary relief, the Clippers.

How about something like this?

Celtics Receive
#1 (Blake Griffin)
Chris Kaman
Baron Davis

Clippers Receive
#2 (Ricky Rubio)
Ray Allen
Kendrick Perkins

Grizzlies Receive
Rondo


May not be enough for the Grizzlies, but I could see that as a reasonable trade for LAC and Boston.  Boston gets a veteran starting PG, a young tough center to replace Perkins, and the PF that could be the base of the next dynasty.  L.A. dumps a ton of money, drops back just one spot, picks up a nice young tough and cheap center, and adds a solid veteran to help Gordon, Rubio, etc. come along.  If the Grizzlies were going to take Rubio, Rondo makes sense.  If Memphis is leaning towards Thabeet than perhaps you send Perkins or Camby to them in addition to Rondo (and maybe Conley out).

That's plenty for the Grizzlies and not so much for the C's.

Grizzlies get a proven PG that's already a borderline allstar that's also won a title while giving up just a draft pick that MAY turn into a player of that level.

The C's give up 3/5 of their starting lineup, including their only 2 youthful starters for a downgrade at PG defensively (which is their key to winning), a defensive downgrade at Center and a rookie that, although the top talent in the draft, will still be on the bench behind KG.  Baron and Kaman would be stronger offensive players but the team defense would take a real hit.  On top of that, C's no longer have a starting-caliber SG on the roster and have to work like hell to get one through FA.   Also have to get the much needed back up C and PG.

If you throw OJ Mayo in this deal I may go for it....

[bobdelt]

Also I have to think that if Rubio as an 18 yr old was the point guard for Spain in the Olympics, the team that almost beat the Redeem Team in the Finals, that a yr later, it wouldn't be much different then handing the keys to Rondo in yr 2.

Actually wasn't Rubio the 3rd string point guard for that team behind the injured guy who lasted a year in the NBA and Rudy Fernandez?

Not impressed.

Probably when he was 16... 16!

[indeedproceed]

I figured it all out. An inside (my head) source jsut told me the proposed trade.

Boston Trades:
Rajon Rondo (MEM)
Ray Allen (SAS

Memphis Trades;
Mike Conley JR (BOS)
2nd Overall (SAS

San Antonio Trades:
Tim Duncan (BOS)

I felt it too, don't worry. That was the dynamite. It just went Boom.

[ToppersBsktball10]

I figured it all out. An inside (my head) source jsut told me the proposed trade.

Boston Trades:
Rajon Rondo (MEM)
Ray Allen (SAS

Memphis Trades;
Mike Conley JR (BOS)
2nd Overall (SAS

San Antonio Trades:
Tim Duncan (BOS)

I felt it too, don't worry. That was the dynamite. It just went Boom.

Please tell me you're kidding

[Bozo]

If Rhondo is banking on a major league extension.   Well, you do have Stephon Marbury wanting to play starting point.  You could take a chance on Rubio.  Let him develop behind Stephon. 

Personally, I think Rhondo is overrated some.  Not that he isn't very good, but not great (not without a shot).  And Orlando, like LA did last year played off of Rhondo.   I suspect you cannot play off of Rubio.   And the guy has a special talent.  A cross between a Pete Maravich, and a Larry Bird.  Does not come along very often. 

[slamtheking]

You know who does need salary relief, the Clippers.

How about something like this?

Celtics Receive
#1 (Blake Griffin)
Chris Kaman
Baron Davis

Clippers Receive
#2 (Ricky Rubio)
Ray Allen
Kendrick Perkins

Grizzlies Receive
Rondo


May not be enough for the Grizzlies, but I could see that as a reasonable trade for LAC and Boston.  Boston gets a veteran starting PG, a young tough center to replace Perkins, and the PF that could be the base of the next dynasty.  L.A. dumps a ton of money, drops back just one spot, picks up a nice young tough and cheap center, and adds a solid veteran to help Gordon, Rubio, etc. come along.  If the Grizzlies were going to take Rubio, Rondo makes sense.  If Memphis is leaning towards Thabeet than perhaps you send Perkins or Camby to them in addition to Rondo (and maybe Conley out).

That's plenty for the Grizzlies and not so much for the C's.

Grizzlies get a proven PG that's already a borderline allstar that's also won a title while giving up just a draft pick that MAY turn into a player of that level.

The C's give up 3/5 of their starting lineup, including their only 2 youthful starters for a downgrade at PG defensively (which is their key to winning), a defensive downgrade at Center and a rookie that, although the top talent in the draft, will still be on the bench behind KG.  Baron and Kaman would be stronger offensive players but the team defense would take a real hit.  On top of that, C's no longer have a starting-caliber SG on the roster and have to work like hell to get one through FA.   Also have to get the much needed back up C and PG.

If you throw OJ Mayo in this deal I may go for it....

Mayo for the C's.  makes it more balanced but why go that young when trying to win with PP and KG. 

[CoachBo]

If Rhondo is banking on a major league extension.   Well, you do have Stephon Marbury wanting to play starting point.  You could take a chance on Rubio.  Let him develop behind Stephon. 

Personally, I think Rhondo is overrated some.  Not that he isn't very good, but not great (not without a shot).  And Orlando, like LA did last year played off of Rhondo.   I suspect you cannot play off of Rubio.   And the guy has a special talent.  A cross between a Pete Maravich, and a Larry Bird.  Does not come along very often. 

Overrated here? Definitely, but he's no different in that regard than every player Danny ever drafted.

But ... let's be clear here. Rondo is a good player whose game, at 23, is probably progressing at a good level. He is not a great player. He is not an All-Star. Yet. He has definitive flaws that are keeping his game below that level: shooting, defensive effort, focus, commitment to the game.

But ... should he put the work in to improve his shot and work harder at the game on the defensive end, it's not going to be hard for him to get to All-Star level.

The ONLY way you consider moving him is if you're getting the "max contract' vibe right now from Rondo and his agent. He's not close to that level.

Yet.

[cornbreadsmart]

concerning this trade talk we have to be realistic. look at these finals. the c's(if healthy) are easily better than both of these teams. ainge is'nt gonna trade away 3 of our starters. it's just not gonna happen. i really think  this is all hogwash just so other teams will up their offers. that's all.
  i see these trade ideas that involve rubio and then have him as the backup to marbury.  MARBURY??? really. stephon marbury is gonna be the starting point guard for the boston celtics? egads. ridiculous.